RedNachos Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Well someone has been at the air-fix glue this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herta Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 About the only thing that’s correct there is the bit where you say you are no financial wizard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, RedNachos said: New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. I agree with all of this apart from the bits i've highlighted in bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Usually expect this sort of post at 2.30am!! Lockdown not easy for anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedNachos Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Maybe I'm talking bollocks but something is wrong at this club, and it's in the hierarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Crooks, Rooks; Crowes, Rowe. Robins, Bobbins. Rooks and Crowe, Dickle and Chrissy. I always got me Rooks and Crowes mixed up, but Crooks, I can spot him/them a mile off (with good - or "top" - bins) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Everything fell apart since that Wolves game I've always said it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 You do realise Lansdown puts as much in as he's allowed to with regards to FFP? And then just everything outside that he funds as well, you can question decision making etc but there's simply one thing you can't question Steve on is the investment he puts into the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHienz Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, RedNachos said: Maybe I'm talking bollocks nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 And there was me thinking we were signing Garth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lrrr said: You do realise Lansdown puts as much in as he's allowed to with regards to FFP? And then just everything outside that he funds as well, you can question decision making etc but there's simply one thing you can't question Steve on is the investment he puts into the club Not knocking SL, but in theory he could do sponsorships of shirt, stadium, stands, training ground- provided it's at Fair Value, in theory he could through himself and his companies (legit ones not fake) put in I'll guess an extra £1.5-3m per season, something in that bracket if the whole shebang took place. Not a game changer but it all helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, Mr Popodopolous said: Not knocking SL, but in theory he could do sponsorships of shirt, stadium, stands, training ground- provided it's at Fair Value, in theory he could through himself and his companies (legit ones not fake) put in I'll guess an extra £1.5-3m per season, something in that bracket if the whole shebang took place. Not a game changer but it all helps. I think that comes back to making the club sustainable, if he's financing all of that himself rather than outside investment what happens when he stops the sponsorships whenever he leaves? The club would have been propped up on investment thats being taken out of the club. Same reason he has interest on the loans so the club is always aware of the money going out of the club rather than being dumped on it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not knocking SL, but in theory he could do sponsorships of shirt, stadium, stands, training ground- provided it's at Fair Value, in theory he could through himself and his companies (legit ones not fake) put in I'll guess an extra £1.5-3m per season, something in that bracket if the whole shebang took place. Not a game changer but it all helps. Might happen next season with the banning of gambling on shirts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 22 minutes ago, RedNachos said: Maybe I'm talking bollocks but something is wrong at this club, and it's in the hierarchy. What do you mean ‘maybe’? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Well someone has been at the air-fix glue this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyderInACan Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, RedNachos said: New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. Classic case of first couple of pints after completing Dry January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not knocking SL, but in theory he could do sponsorships of shirt, stadium, stands, training ground- provided it's at Fair Value, in theory he could through himself and his companies (legit ones not fake) put in I'll guess an extra £1.5-3m per season, something in that bracket if the whole shebang took place. Not a game changer but it all helps. Employ Harry Kane as Maggies chauffeur And tell the football League ‘the lad was bored on a Saturday’ , so we let him play , as an amateur Job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, RedNachos said: New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. The reason I don't post on forums about nautical engineering, is because I don't know the first thing about nautical engineering... Perhaps you should take the same lead when considering logging on to otib...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Nothing like spending someone elses hard earned money for them. Its a bit like your neighbour banging on your door telling you to get your windows changed, and upgrade your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, RedNachos said: Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. I think you need to familiarise yourself with the latest accounts. Your analysis (sic) couldn't be further from the truth and were it not for SL propping up the club from his deep pockets we'd already be out of business. Gate Receipts* + Broadcasting = £14m (* albeit impaired by loss of 5 fixtures - around £1.3m) Wages (excluding asset & contract depreciation,) = £33m One could highlight that your assumptions are wrong, that the incomes you reference do not cover half of wages alone, but in reality it's much worse than that. Wages ALONE are 123% of TURNOVER. That's right, we pay nearly a quarter more than we earn in wages alone. Forget all other expenses, the costs of stadia and academies, of putting on fixtures and running the club. That's just WAGES! With regards transfers we've been very fortunate to have received huge monies for average talent but even there, over SL's tenure, we have lost millions. Of course the accounts to be reported next year for THIS Covid impacted, financial year will be catastrophic. We'll need to have net gained in excess of £30m in transfer fees to cover operational losses. £30m! So where's that coming from? If we sold every player in our vast squad we wouldn't recover that. We're a selling club, unfortunately for us our shelves are presently as empty as a Tesco Metro in Pyongyang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: What do you mean ‘maybe’? Bit rich coming from you, don't forget all the shite you've put on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, RedNachos said: New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. Tbh the bit about Jon lansdown down is spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, Wiltshire robin said: Tbh the bit about Jon land down is spot on Not really theres the kits , all sucessful companies have a creative side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, Sheltons Army said: Not really theres the kits , all sucessful companies have a creative side ? Jon didn’t design the kits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, Sturny said: Everything fell apart since that Wolves game I've always said it True, but if all it takes to topple you is one poor game then I'd suggest it was inevitable and all we'd done is somehow construct a house of cards rather than anything more stable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big dosser Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, RedNachos said: New training ground, stadium expansion, minor signings, wages. OUTS A championship football club with Tv rights, gate receipts, signings out record. INS Gate receipts (or in this seasons case RobinsTV) and TV money cover wages. Transfers out have been brilliant and cover signings in (which is a tiny expense in comparison) while also covering the expenses of the two facility projects. No losses, no investment just redistribution of money from sales. He's got money, he don't spend it. Get Ashton out, get JL out and if SL doesn't start investing in the club and fulfil his empty promises of Premier League future. Steve is a top guy but he gets away with practically investing nothingr from his own sizeable bank account. He's not raking in cash and then no investment, but he is making promises to the fans that without an injection he can't fulfil. Mark Ashton, bell-end, absolute ****, poor recruitment, arrogance and selling club favourites. Terrible managerial recruitment. JL, Nepotism, no skill, other than being a former sperm in his dad's ball sack he has no reason for being at this club. SL time to invest or be honest with the fans. That's all we want. Honesty Yes corona is a massive wrench in the gears, but this has been happening in a cycle consistently for 4 or 5 years. Feel free to prove me wrong financially as I'm no wizard with estimates but I'm confident less than £5m has been put into the club in the last 3 years. It's time to think about where this club is going, because without the player sales, we're in an absolute mess. i here you and feel the frustration ,the sad thing is i think sl,jl,ma,dh are happy where we are and due to everything going on i think we can write this season off as a midtable side going nowhere. Only plus we have not had to sit in the stand and watch it live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedNachos Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: I think you need to familiarise yourself with the latest accounts. Your analysis (sic) couldn't be further from the truth and were it not for SL propping up the club from his deep pockets we'd already be out of business. Gate Receipts* + Broadcasting = £14m (* albeit impaired by loss of 5 fixtures - around £1.3m) Wages (excluding asset & contract depreciation,) = £33m One could highlight that your assumptions are wrong, that the incomes you reference do not cover half of wages alone, but in reality it's much worse than that. Wages ALONE are 123% of TURNOVER. That's right, we pay nearly a quarter more than we earn in wages alone. Forget all other expenses, the costs of stadia and academies, of putting on fixtures and running the club. That's just WAGES! With regards transfers we've been very fortunate to have received huge monies for average talent but even there, over SL's tenure, we have lost millions. Of course the accounts to be reported next year for THIS Covid impacted, financial year will be catastrophic. We'll need to have net gained in excess of £30m in transfer fees to cover operational losses. £30m! So where's that coming from? If we sold every player in our vast squad we wouldn't recover that. We're a selling club, unfortunately for us our shelves are presently as empty as a Tesco Metro in Pyongyang. Fair enough, I'm assuming your representation is more accurate than mine. Wages I'm well out from my calculations, I also overestimated gate r +broadcasting slightly. Apologies on that, like I said I'm no wizard in estimations of these things. Like I say I didn't take Covid into account, but understand that it has been terrible for every club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 The one thing and it’s quite a big thing that’s wrong imo and it’s been well covered is the recruitment / scouting/coaching . It makes it more frustrating because it won’t change as long as Ashtons here and he’s going nowhere . There’s a lot to be happy about at the club apart from what’s actually going on , on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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