Bristol R*vers dustbin thread

[BTRFTG]

Of greater significance would be the prospect of UEFA removing infrastructure costs from FFP. Now I'm unsure how any proposed 'Gas' deal is to be funded but there would be a significant risk premium should the deal be design and lease, as opposed to design and build. Who'd bet The Gas might still be trading in 20 years let alone covering the costs of building a new stadium? Should The Gas, through their own investment and grants available, fund part of the capital cost of the build, then unlike now this might no longer be available to ignore in terms of FFP.

Even if it is straight lease it's likely leasehold costs over the term will be so substantial as to, from an accounting perspective, make this a virtual freehold. One presumes for FFP purposes this would allow The Gas to show a huge profit first year when the asset first hits the books but depreciation and lease costs combined would then prove a massive encumbrance year on year thereafter from an annual trading perspective.

[bert tann]

As an AIM listed company Conygar will delay their announcement until the markets have closed and the rotten fruit has been taken away.

[phantom]

1 hour ago, bert tann said:

As an AIM listed company Conygar will delay their announcement until the markets have closed and the rotten fruit has been taken away.

AKA Not happening

[bcfc01]

17 hours ago, Midlands Robin said:

lets talk some figures regarding recent stadium construction.

The Brentford Community Stadium - 3 1/2 years to build. 17250 capacity. Total Cost 71 Million pounds.

Plough Lane - 18 months to build. 9215 capacity. Total Cost 34 Million pounds.

How much do we honestly think it would cost developers to build the sags a 28000 capacity stadium on the fruit market site?

How much would they be able to pay back in rent and how long would it take developers to get their money back?

Just look at the issues that Coventry have had with their ground contracts.

In the current financial climate it makes absolutely no sense for anyone involved.

 

Working on a rule of thumb assumption of 2.5k per seat, a 28k seater stadium would cost in the region of £70m to build, but the logistics of where it is could mean it costs a lot more and takes longer than it should. Pie in the sky.

Out of town 12k stadium @£30m is more feasible.

 

[In the Net]

18 hours ago, Jim Davey said:

yep the Gashead I spoke to today thinks it will be ready in 2 years time .

Has heatstroke got to him already? 

[NcnsBcfc]

As someone someone who works on Feeder Road, and drives past this site a number of times every day; i can't believe that they would actually get planning permission for this.

It's right next to the area of land that was going to be the Bristol Arena, and we all know how that panned out.

There is literally a small bridge (Albert road) access from the A4 Bath Road. With no facility for parking at all of course.

Then we get to the size of the development. Have they seen how small an area is devoted to the actual stadium. They would have to build a massive stand (e.g. Lansdown) to get anywhere near that capacity, it's just not that big enough a plot. In comparison Luton's in around the 20k Mark at Power Court, with Brentford's at 17.5k. I can't see anything larger than that.

Next. The way it's going to be funded is on the basis of a massive house building exercise gifted to then by Rovers for the memorial stadium site. Well if they think we had Nimbys on the Ashton Vale site, wait until the local area object en masse to anything of that scale.

All in all, massive hurdles to overcome, and it's all a bit weird.

If you had the money (ie Wael). Why would you need someone to build a stadium for you, and then lease it from them? At the same time giving them your main asset for nothing? It's akin to paying off the mortgage on your house, then giving it to a developer for nothing; to then rent a larger house from them for the next 25 years????? You end up owning nothing....

Why not either build the stadium yourself, or develop the memorial site yourself; and then use the money to build a stadium that you own outright. It all doesn't make sense?

It only makes sense if Wael/the club really haven't got anywhere near the finances that they claim to have, and desperately need someone else to fund/taken the risk around the whole project.

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by NcnsBcfc

[GrahamC]

21 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

As someone someone who works on Feeder Road, and drives past this site a number of times every day; i can't believe that they would actually get planning permission for this.

It's right next to the area of land that was going to be the Bristol Arena, and we all know how that panned out.

There is literally a small bridge (Albert road) access from the A4 Bath Road. With no facility for parking at all of course.

Then we get to the size of the development. Have they seen how small an area is devoted to the actual stadium. They would have to build a massive stand (e.g. Lansdown) to get anywhere near that capacity, it's just not that big enough a plot. In comparison Luton's in around the 20k Mark at Power Court, with Brentford's at 17.5k. I can't see anything larger than that.

Next. The way it's going to be funded is on the basis of a massive house building exercise gifted to then by Rovers for the memorial stadium site. Well if they think we had Nimbys on the Ashton Vale site, wait until the local area object en masse to anything of that scale.

All in all, massive hurdles to overcome, and it's all a bit weird.

If you had the money (ie Wael). Why would you need someone to build a stadium for you, and then lease it from them? At the same time giving them your main asset for nothing? It's akin to paying off the mortgage on your house, then giving it to a developer for nothing; to then rent a larger house from them for the next 25 years????? You end up owning nothing....

Why not either build the stadium yourself, or develop the memorial site yourself; and then use the money to build a stadium that you own outright. It all doesn't make sense?

It only makes sense if Wael/the club really haven't got anywhere near the finances that they claim to have, and desperately need someone else to fund/taken the risk around the whole project.

 

I reckon that they would get planning permission, as there are Rovers supporters in very key roles in BCC.

I’m very doubtful that they would get a 28,000 seater stadium on that site (probably nearer 16,000) but not that there are those who are actively trying to help them achieve a new one.

Edited July 8, 2022 by GrahamC

[22A]

35 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

It only makes sense if Wael/the club really haven't got anywhere near the finances that they claim to have, and desperately need someone else to fund/taken the risk around the whole project.

 

A few years back on gaschat, one them whined "Why can't someone just give us a ground"? 

[NOTBLUE]

I’d be very surprised if the local plan for the area includes a football ground.The council needs to build around 10,000 homes within the city boundary,new homes it is then.

[Lanterne Rouge]

So, to sum up, it`s yet another pie-in-the-sky R*vers stadium plan that will never happen and should be filed away on top of the dozen or so others they have had down the years.

[archie andrews]

13 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

So, to sum up, it`s yet another pie-in-the-sky R*vers stadium plan that will never happen and should be filed away on top of the dozen or so others they have had down the years.

**** em.... 

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

All in all, massive hurdles to overcome, and it's all a bit weird.

Including presumably thousands of locals who walk their dogs there and the presence of rare (or possibly mutant) newts.

[phantom]

44 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

So, to sum up, it`s yet another pie-in-the-sky R*vers stadium plan that will never happen and should be filed away on top of the dozen or so others they have had down the years.

Don't forget all this has come back to life on the basis of one person posting in this thread, was never any concrete evidence based 

[Lanterne Rouge]

24 minutes ago, phantom said:

Don't forget all this has come back to life on the basis of one person posting in this thread, was never any concrete evidence based 

Archaeologists of the future will have a field day when they discover a dusty archive in a basement somewhere full of plans and scale models relating to a `new stadium` in every area of Bristol and will wonder whether it was the all to do with some weird cult`s vision of Utopia.

[HitchinRed]

Have I missed the announcement? What did it say?

[GrahamC]

48 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Including presumably thousands of locals who walk their dogs there and the presence of rare (or possibly mutant) newts.

We’re well beyond that sort of stuff now.

Look at how many cranes dominate Bristol’s sky line at present & the amount (especially in South Bristol) of high rise developments that are either in train or planned.

Planning permission is being given to virtually anything at present & if not, granted on appeal.

[bert tann]

Just had a message from Merlyn.

In light of record season ticket sales the announcement has been delayed while they look at increasing the stadium capacity.

[Jim Davey]

3 hours ago, In the Net said:

Has heatstroke got to him already? 

No but he'd had a few mind.

[Jim Davey]

30 minutes ago, HitchinRed said:

Have I missed the announcement? What did it say?

Ready in 2 years.

[Taz]

3 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

As someone someone who works on Feeder Road, and drives past this site a number of times every day; i can't believe that they would actually get planning permission for this.

It's right next to the area of land that was going to be the Bristol Arena, and we all know how that panned out.

There is literally a small bridge (Albert road) access from the A4 Bath Road. With no facility for parking at all of course.

Then we get to the size of the development. Have they seen how small an area is devoted to the actual stadium. They would have to build a massive stand (e.g. Lansdown) to get anywhere near that capacity, it's just not that big enough a plot. In comparison Luton's in around the 20k Mark at Power Court, with Brentford's at 17.5k. I can't see anything larger than that.

Next. The way it's going to be funded is on the basis of a massive house building exercise gifted to then by Rovers for the memorial stadium site. Well if they think we had Nimbys on the Ashton Vale site, wait until the local area object en masse to anything of that scale.

All in all, massive hurdles to overcome, and it's all a bit weird.

If you had the money (ie Wael). Why would you need someone to build a stadium for you, and then lease it from them? At the same time giving them your main asset for nothing? It's akin to paying off the mortgage on your house, then giving it to a developer for nothing; to then rent a larger house from them for the next 25 years????? You end up owning nothing....

Why not either build the stadium yourself, or develop the memorial site yourself; and then use the money to build a stadium that you own outright. It all doesn't make sense?

It only makes sense if Wael/the club really haven't got anywhere near the finances that they claim to have, and desperately need someone else to fund/taken the risk around the whole project.

 

In other words, they can't afford to do it themselves because they haven't got a pot to piss in.

[Red Shadow]

1 hour ago, bert tann said:

Just had a message from Merlyn.

In light of record season ticket sales the announcement has been delayed while they look at increasing the stadium capacity.

Ah, Row M it is then.

[Rudolf Hucker]

2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

… and will wonder whether it was the all to do with some weird cult`s vision of Utopia.

I always think that it’s a good idea to perform a spell check before posting LR.  

[Lanterne Rouge]

5 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

I always think that it’s a good idea to perform a spell check before posting LR.  

It`s a smart way of getting round the swear filter. You knew what I meant so it worked!

[pongo88]

2 hours ago, phantom said:

Don't forget all this has come back to life on the basis of one person posting in this thread, was never any concrete evidence based 

That’s why @bert tann does it. He is awful but I like him

 

 

[Leveller]

4 hours ago, phantom said:

Don't forget all this has come back to life on the basis of one person posting in this thread, was never any concrete evidence based 

One post on here, but two weeks’ ill informed debate on Gaschat tbf.

[Swede]

So that's another tent erected on the stadium of shite then. Or, more to the point, relocating the South West corner sponsored by Babestation stand ( minus row M)

[phantom]

9 hours ago, Leveller said:

One post on here, but two weeks’ ill informed debate on Gaschat tbf.

I haven't braved that abyss recently, perhaps it's time for a laugh again 

[Port Said Red]

13 minutes ago, phantom said:

I haven't braved that abyss recently, perhaps it's time for a laugh again 

The title of their thread on the stadium tells you everything you need to know...

 

[pongo88]

14 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

The title of their thread on the stadium tells you everything you need to know...

 

This tempted me to have a look. There are over 500 pages on this thread. Five hundred pages discussing nothing! It’s worst than the threads we get in the transfer forum discussing signings that aren’t going to happen 

[Bar BS3]

14 hours ago, HitchinRed said:

Have I missed the announcement? What did it say?

I think it comes alongside the news that they have "smashed their record" season ticket sales - by selling ONE more than they did the last time they were in the 3rd tier..! 

The 5,026 STH they now have are clearly going to struggle to fit into their current slum, that only holds 9k (despite the fact it held 12k before covid) 

So, the only logical outcome is their obvious & urgent need for a 26,000 capacity stadium.