BigAl&Toby Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Roll forward a few months. The window is open. Wide open….. The value of these 3 could be stellar. They could be sold to balance the FFP books. They who live in exile could have a draw. Or we could see some real intent. We don’t waste another opportunity for future glory. We do all we can to keep these 3. We clear out those who really should be up on The Downs. No ifs not buts no coconuts but if we’d invested on the green stuff when there was real opportunity and players with potential where might we have been now? I know what I’d do. What would you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockwood gate Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I think at least one will be sold for big money due to the situation we are in but have faith in Nigel to bring on more youngsters 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Difficult call Al Our financial (FFP wise) situation will add pressure to those decisions Ideally if we can shift the high earners who add little , and NP doesn’t want , it might give us some breathing space , but that’s going to be far from easy in the current climate Add in the players own wishes / deaires / ambitions if a bid came in from an attractive Club (Prem) and some many influences in the decision. If we had to sell/ accept a bid for one to give us FFP breathing space , personally , and reluctantly I’d accept a suitable bid for HNM My reasoning pretty straightforward - Antoine and Scott are match winners / game changers , HNM , extremely likeable and a cult type figure , has many admirable qualities and may have a very decent influence on games but in a different way to the other two Id also suggest that Semenyo and Scott have real potential for their value to increase significantly every six months or so we can hold on to them. Antoine in particular , and to a fair degree Scott have the potential , in a stellar season to take the side into the play offs .....or better IMO it needs to be careful decisions with input and discussion from the financial side but I’d be very guided and heavily influenced by the main football man at the Club about their current value to the squad now , and in the coming period , and their potential to improve and increase in value in the next 12-18 months.....Mr Pearson 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 If I HAD to choose one of the three to sell if we had to balance the books, with a heavy heart, it would have to be Massengo. Simply due to the creativity and the goal contributions the other 2 bring to the side. Which has been key to our progress in being more potent in the final third. A choice in midfield of James, Williams, Scott and a new signing would be fine with me. We will get big bucks for Massengo, with some of it potentially being available to strengthen in the areas we need to strengthen. If FFP allows us to, of course. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) That isn’t how it works though, is it? We are in massive strife with FFP & don’t know that as an example Massengo has told us he has no interest in signing another deal. The best case scenario for me is we only sell one of the 3 for decent money, give ourselves some breathing space with FFP & Nige has a bit of leeway to bring a couple of players in. Sell on clauses elsewhere coming in for Webster, Kelly or Brownhill would be a nice bonus, too. Edited February 20, 2022 by GrahamC 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brad blit Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 It all comes down to whether Massengo wants to sign new contract. If he dosnt then we sell him now whilst he has a year left, and we don’t allow another “asset” to leave for nothing which has happened too many times in past. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, brad blit said: It all comes down to whether Massengo wants to sign new contract. If he dosnt then we sell him now whilst he has a year left, and we don’t allow another “asset” to leave for nothing which has happened too many times in past. this! I hope to goes to Southampton (who may well lose James Ward Prowse in the summer). Saints have a habit of building players value and selling on (they're just further up the food chain than City) and a good sell on percentage could be very handy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: this! I hope to goes to Southampton (who may well lose James Ward Prowse in the summer). Saints have a habit of building players value and selling on (they're just further up the food chain than City) and a good sell on percentage could be very handy Excellent point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I think Semenyo would be the biggest miss, due to assists and goals, and is the one most likely to be subject to a big offer. I would keep him for another season at least, as his value is only going to grow and his contract situation allows it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Can see a big offer for Semenyo and maybe Scott, which will be hard to resist. Not sure about HNM, still a lot missing from his game 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said: I'd also suggest that Semenyo and Scott have real potential for their value to increase significantly every six months So their agents () will suggest to other clubs "Buy these guys now" and he'll pocket the usual 10% or more. Elephant in the room; the players might think "I'm too good for this club. I wonder if any Prem club's interested in me"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 The most encouraging thing is all three of them have spoken on record about the positive impacts Nige, plus the likes of James and King, are having on them. As long as Nige remains for the next two years, there’s hope the three of them will remain and grow together. The dream summer scenario would be to get Palmer and Wells off the wage bill, get Massengo and Semenyo to sign new deals, and to land a windfall(s) from the sales of Kelly and/or Webster. That would enable us to keep our best assets, while complying with other FFP. With a bit of luck and a bit of ambition, we could be in for exciting times soon. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) I think realistically we will lose 1 of the 3. I think the most likely could be HNM. I can see Scott being bought but loaned back for a year. I hope we can keep Semenyo at least another season. A bit of wild speculation here, but if my September we’ve lost 2/3 and Pearson isn’t here I can see the fans really turning against the Lansdowns. Edited February 20, 2022 by Phileas Fogg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 It's pretty obvious that unless Massengo signs a new deal, he will be sold in the summer. Semenyo, maybe sold but only if we get an insane offer (£20 million+). With Scott it would have to be past £30 million given the length of his contract. £10 million plus add ons and sell on for Massengo would ensure the FFP is sorted and leave some leeway to buy players. May also allow us to take a bigger hit than we'd prefer on the players under contract who we want to get rid of. I can imagine Nige doesn't want to see certain players for another year and wants a side that is clearly his own starting the season. It wouldn't surprise me if we accepted offers for Kalas, Dasilva or Bentley too. All will have 1 year left and still retain some kind of transfer value. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I think Scott is the most likely to stay, just because he is SO young and just signed a new deal with us. Wouldn't be surprised to see any of them go though, sadly. I would say Massengo is the most replaceable; quite a few options for championship level CMs, whereas a striker to replace Semenyo would be much more expensive, and a position we are not that strong in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 15 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I think realistically we will lose 1 of the 3. I think the most likely could be HNM. I can see Scott being bought but loaned back for a year. I hope we can keep Semenyo at least another season. A bit of wild speculation here, but if my September we’ve lost 2/3 and Pearson isn’t here I can see the fans really turning against the Lansdowns. Oh surely not. They have only had two decades. Give them time to get it right. Only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNasty Filth Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Chappers said: Can see a big offer for Semenyo and maybe Scott, which will be hard to resist. Not sure about HNM, still a lot missing from his game Don't know why you're post about HNM got two laughs, think it is pretty accurate tbh. His offensive play needs a lot of work which is why whoever comes in would be buying potential, hence less of sum that some people may be hoping for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, jaydee=inspiration said: His offensive play needs a lot of work which is why whoever comes in would be buying potential I've never been offended by Han! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) Quite the quandary innit. How many points do you expect them to contribute, individually or collectively (something that is almost impossible to quantify), you'll hear people saying things like 'with that keeper, that's at least 15 points', but more difficult with outfield players. Would their retained contribution be worth more than any points deduction. Also, I don't know what the forecast say our ongoing FFP position is likely to be, and would we be (assuming we have to sell) be better off sell them over 3 years rather than selling them all in one window? (One for the gurus to inform on), could be a case of selling all 3 in the summer, recording a profit, paying tax on the profit and then being back in the same position in 3 years. Dunno. In order - and assuming we were going to lose all 3 over 3 seasons. 1. Han 2. Semenyo 3. Scott Edited February 20, 2022 by Bristol Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 I think all three will be here next season. I think they will buy into the progress being made and the potential for 40+ games a season. Scott is tied down to 2025 anyway. Semenyo and Massengo are in contract talks. My gut feel is that in Massengo’s case there could be deliberation over getting a mutually acceptable buy-out clause. I think if Massengo wanted to leave, talks would’ve stopped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 If we were to sell all 3 in the summer then we might as well pack up and call it a day. I think we may lose HNM but if I had to lose one of them, it probably be him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 Just imagine if we retain all 3 and get them on long term contracts and at sensible wages..... *snaps fingers* And, you're back in the room. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jaydee=inspiration said: Don't know why you're post about HNM got two laughs, think it is pretty accurate tbh. His offensive play needs a lot of work which is why whoever comes in would be buying potential, hence less of sum that some people may be hoping for. Yep, agree with that. What you have with HNM is a lot of potential (we've all been saying that for the last two years of course), but actually only two assists ever. That's almost COD like figures. When he lost the ball in injury time, after trying to wriggle through and shoot, i thought NP was going to have a heart attack; and as for that back pass in the first half. Still very much a work in progress, and for me Scott has overtaken him in terms of potential. A lot will depend on whether we can get Semenyeo to sign a new contract this summer. You can imagine his demands (via agent) have gone up significantly in the last few months. With James, and Williams hopefully coming back to fitness; and possibly a further addition; and with Benerous in the wings as well, for me if HNM doesn't sign a new contract; he can be sold without too much detrimental effect to the team. It'll be intersting to see how he develops. Could go on to great things, or spend the rest of his career in Ligue 2, or Bundesliga B. Just can't tell with him for sure at the moment. Edited February 20, 2022 by NcnsBcfc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 sorry if I missed this but anybody got a list of who's out of contract in the summer? - surely that will have a massive impact on who we have to sell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 More to the point....what are we going to spend the £5 we get for COD? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, MelksRed said: More to the point....what are we going to spend the £5 we get for COD? That would be a new unit of currency. Similar to 'A Tilson' that would be a 'COD Lots'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norn Iron Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: That would be a new unit of currency. Similar to 'A Tilson' that would be a 'COD Lots'. Noooooo! How long before someone prints a pun about chips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyClapper Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Norn Iron said: Noooooo! How long before someone prints a pun about chips? I think COD has already had his chips. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: Yep, agree with that. What you have with HNM is a lot of potential (we've all been saying that for the last two years of course), but actually only two assists ever. That's almost COD like figures. When he lost the ball in injury time, after trying to wriggle through and shoot, i thought NP was going to have a heart attack; and as for that back pass in the first half. Still very much a work in progress, and for me Scott has overtaken him in terms of potential. A lot will depend on whether we can get Semenyeo to sign a new contract this summer. You can imagine his demands (via agent) have gone up significantly in the last few months. With James, and Williams hopefully coming back to fitness; and possibly a further addition; and with Benerous in the wings as well, for me if HNM doesn't sign a new contract; he can be sold without too much detrimental effect to the team. It'll be interesting to see how he develops. Could go on to great things, or spend the rest of his career in Ligue 2, or Bundesliga B. Just can't tell with him for sure at the moment. Spot on Neil. Scott hasn't just overtaken him, he's disappearing into the distance. Was saying to @Huntstile Red yesterday that he runs around like a dog after a ball in the park. Easily distracted from tracking his runner at times. It could be that it all just comes together at a certain age like it has for Semenyo this season and like it did for Bobby Reid, but I suspect this will not be for a year or 2. We could buy a proven replacement for a fraction of any fee who would be a mainstay in the side. Maybe not as high a ceiling but a little more reliable and consistent. We need a couple more like that if we're honest. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted February 20, 2022 Report Share Posted February 20, 2022 How easy will it be to move on Palmer and Wells, who between them command a huge chunk of our wage bill? Im guessing we’ll have to take a hit on both. If Baker doesn’t play again will insurance kick in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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