England Women, Champions of Europe

[S22]

20 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

It seems comparisons are allowed when they're favourable to the women.

Don't dare try it when it's the other way round though.

That feelings normal if you’re married

[Curr Avon]

Inspirational. Magnificent. Fantastic. Wouldn't it be wonderful if every primary and secondary schoolgirl in England has the opportunity to play football and its embedded in the national curriculum. That would be a fitting tribute to this brilliant team.

[Erithacus]

And finally, we win a final. Extra time, but a win is a win. All credit to the players, the coaches, the trainers, the physios, all the crew. Especial credit to Sarina Weigman, who has managed the side and the tournament superbly. (I can't think we would have fared as well with Neville at the helm.)

As the game goes on the risks and rewards change and we got the first goal. However, the Germans did what German teams have done for generations and didn't give up. Either side could have made the crucial breakthrough in the final minutes but extra time it was. As the legs tired, gaps opened up and marking became fragmented on both sides. It then became a matter of who fatigued first, and the desire and determination the Lionesses showed today was the difference - a difference we had not really seen before. The short history of the WSL (and the previous leagues before that) have proved the work and effort put in to the women's game. Some people at the top may look back at their decisions and reflect.

Great scenes at Wembley, perhaps mirrored in other places. Fan parks at a women's game? You'd better believe it. We applaud the Lionesses and celebrate their historic achievment.

Now football has finally Come Home. We need to make sure we keep it home.

[Tinmans Love Child]

Interesting to read back through this thread to read the negative comments about the lack of beer getting spilt in fan zones as if womens football could never be popular and this tournament didn’t matter, well you look small minded and stupid now.  
As a father of two daughters I hope this serves to inspire them especially but all football fans men or women, absolutely great.  I heard the atmosphere at the games, whilst different to mens game, was a breath of fresh air and certainly better for kids.  So glad we won’t see headlines about drunken middle aged blokes fighting in the streets!  Come on England!

Edited July 31, 2022 by Tinmans Love Child

[And Its Smith]

12 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I know what feminism is…………..….

I don’t need it to be rammed down my throat tho. I have the same views on those who try to do the same with religion.

 

I think maybe you do!

[Southport Red]

Well done Lionesses. Showed skill, stamina, bravery and nous. How lovely to finish extra time against the Germans and not wanting to put my foot through the TV. 

[Fjmcity]

[Antman]

When kelly poked the winner in, and the TV replayed her running in slow mo waving her shirt with everything moving in every direction

My wife just said..."that'll go viral'

[Slacker]

Loved the interviews with the players after the game.Honest,excited,spontaneous, passionate. Much different than the cautious, media trained male players. 

[REDOXO]

Not sure whether the commentary was the same in England (probably not) but the Co-commentator described the finish for the first goal as filthy. And you gotta say if that had been one of ours we’d be talking about it for years!

[Fjmcity]

1 minute ago, Antman said:

When kelly poked the winner in, and the TV replayed her running in slow mo waving her shirt with everything moving in every direction

My wife just said..."that'll go viral'

 

[Slacker]

3 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

What she said!

[Southport Red]

1 minute ago, Slacker said:

Loved the interviews with the players after the game.Honest,excited,spontaneous, passionate. Much different than the cautious, media trained male players. 

Loved it when the goal scorer ran off to sing “Sweet Caroline” with the team and took the mic with her

[Silvio Dante]

This is exactly what I meant by my last post. Why? Just why? They’ve just reached the pinnacle of the sport they play in and the first reaction is to post how many of them are gay, and compare it to a team they don’t compete with.

It’s odd, belittling, and a bit shit

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

This is exactly what I meant by my last post. Why? Just why? They’ve just reached the pinnacle of the sport they play in and the first reaction is to post how many of them are gay, and compare it to a team they don’t compete with.

It’s odd, belittling, and a bit shit

That’s one blokes reaction to be fair 

[Crackers Corner]

12 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

 

for me the biggest takeaway from the tournament is changing views and attitudes on women's football, mine included, i think its come a huge way in a relatively short time and there was some genuine quality in England's attacking play which i haven't seen before this tournament. there were lots of young girls watching in the record crowd who will be keen to emulate what they have seen which can only be good for the future of the women's game.

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by Crackers Corner

[Feral Williams]

Be interesting when/if a trans woman  enters their space, no ?

[Simon bristol]

Watched it in the sports bar, really good, my daughter got a real kick out of it,, hopefully she gives football another go….

in the meantime, wtf happened with some meatheads giving stick to the lady in the german shirt and squaring up to her fella when he defended her…. Whoever chased them outside, you are a disgrace, and no doubt have really small balls,,.please never come back.

[Bristol Oil Services]

16 minutes ago, Fjmcity said:

I just hope Taylor Moore never has to mark her

[Slacker]

21 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Loved it when the goal scorer ran off to sing “Sweet Caroline” with the team and took the mic with her

That was funny.

[ChippenhamRed]

What an absolutely bloody brilliant evening!

[ChubStixx]

Brilliant achievement!!

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

Is there a Jill Scott meme yet I swear she said cheating ***** lip, reading. 

It looked like "**** off you ****ing p****" to me. One of the highlights of the game!

 Edit: I now see above that I was right. **** me, I can lip read!

Edited July 31, 2022 by chinapig

[Slacker]

Very happy today with the result but the one thing that irked me today was that both teams were more than happy going in for tackles and not shirking  the physical approach, yet it felt like every tackle that was made,every 50/50 ball that was contested,any kind of contact between player's and the ref immediately stopped play to award a free kick.In fairness she did it for both teams but I found it pretty frustrating.

[Offside]

30 minutes ago, Southport Red said:

Loved it when the goal scorer ran off to sing “Sweet Caroline” with the team and took the mic with her

Yep, that was brilliant! I hate those pitch-side interviews straight after games. Just let players celebrate with their team mates. 

[Ska Junkie]

59 minutes ago, Midred said:

And I thought she was a lady! 

And there's me, like others, thinking she said 'f#&/ off you f#&/ing pr**k'!

Edited July 31, 2022 by Ska Junkie

[Bas's perfect hattrick]

1 hour ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Pelters incoming

Hopefully a fair slice more than that

[Engvall’s Splinter]

1 hour ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said:

Disrespectful comment. They've just done something no men's team could do since 66 and that's the best you can come out with. Seriously 

Seriously, take a tablet fella. Lighten up. 

[And Its Smith]

My son sees no different to supporting Englands men team to Englands womens team. That has to be the ultimate goal. 

[Kid in the Riot]

Superb..and shout out to ex-City player Lauren Hemp, Euros winner. 

[Erithacus]

1 hour ago, Antman said:

When kelly poked the winner in, and the TV replayed her running in slow mo waving her shirt with everything moving in every direction

My wife just said..."that'll go viral'

Kelly recreated the moment in World Cup 1999 when USA's Brandi Chastain took her shirt off after scoring in the final. I'll leave it to more informed minds as to what that means in today's football.

 

[IAmNick]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

This is exactly what I meant by my last post. Why? Just why? They’ve just reached the pinnacle of the sport they play in and the first reaction is to post how many of them are gay, and compare it to a team they don’t compete with.

It’s odd, belittling, and a bit shit

I get what you mean, but you can always find people with odd opinions. It's not necessarily a reflection on anything.

Secondly, on him in particular, he's pretty well known for writing about a lot of gay / bi issues including having published books on the matter and making a pride documentary for the BBC so that makes it less surprising that it's something he's acutely aware of in my opinion.

Edited July 31, 2022 by IAmNick

[Malago]

2 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

I get what you mean, but you can always find people with odd opinions. It's not necessarily a reflection on anything.

Secondly, on him in particular, he's pretty well known for writing about a lot of gay / bi issues including having published books on the matter so that makes it less surprising that it's something he's acutely aware of in my opinion.

He’s Scottish.  Enough said.

[BTRFTG]

2 hours ago, Bas's perfect hattrick said:

Disrespectful comment. They've just done something no men's team could do since 66 and that's the best you can come out with. Seriously 

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

[glynriley]

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

It looked like "**** off you ****ing p****" to me. One of the highlights of the game!

 Edit: I now see above that I was right. **** me, I can lip read!

A handy skill in womens football…

[Malago]

2 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

This is exactly what I meant by my last post. Why? Just why? They’ve just reached the pinnacle of the sport they play in and the first reaction is to post how many of them are gay, and compare it to a team they don’t compete with.

It’s odd, belittling, and a bit shit

He’s Scottish.  It’s in their nature to try and distract from, and belittle the achievements of English Football.  This being Women’s Football the distraction is a little more subtle than the usual bile they come out with.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Malago

[ChippenhamRed]

15 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

I really don’t think tonight is the night for this. Can we not just enjoy a wonderful occasion and a fantastic achievement without this constant need to compare it with the men’s game?

Today is a day to celebrate victory for a team that represents our country. End of.

[Cowshed]

41 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

There isnt any. The game is divided by sex. 

You in your second paragraph are attempting to conflate the two., 

[Ian M]

Why the need for comparisons? A senior English team has just been crowned champions of Europe for the first time in my lifetime, I'll celebrate that.

When a woman wins gold in the 100m Olympic Sprint final, you don't hear people say "but she isn't as quick as the men". I celebrate all sporting success this nation achieves, it's far too often fleeting!

[And Its Smith]

47 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

 

 

Is that relevant?  

[phantom]

What an amazing day, one of the best atmospheres I have ever experienced at Wembley. 

Met plenty of German supporters but hey we're the champions of Europe, ignoring the usual uneducated bullshit posted above 

Was also nice to bump into @shahanshahanon empire way

[downendcity]

3 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

.........................................is what she told William when picking up her winners medal! 

[ChippenhamRed]

27 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Why the need for comparisons? A senior English team has just been crowned champions of Europe for the first time in my lifetime, I'll celebrate that.

When a woman wins gold in the 100m Olympic Sprint final, you don't hear people say "but she isn't as quick as the men". I celebrate all sporting success this nation achieves, it's far too often fleeting!

I wonder if these people obsessed with comparisons would be here on the day we won the play off final pointing out that the standard is nowhere near as good as the Champions League?!

[downendcity]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

Sounds like a direct comparison with City teams over the last few seasons. 

I think one of the problems the womens game has had until the fairly recent past, is that it has been all to easy to compare it with the mens game and then, using this comparison, pick out and criticise all the areas in which it falls short - physicality, pace, power etc.

Now the womens game at this level is  professional and, certainly at the level we've seen during the Euros,  capable of producing exciting and entertaining matches, perhaps it will be judged on it's own merits, rather than by comparison with the mens game. The Sweden semi final was enthralling ( obviously helped by England winning, and winning well) and certainly as/more entertaining than many an England men's team performance over recent years.

 

[downendcity]

15 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I wonder if these people obsessed with comparisons would be here on the day we won the play off final pointing out that the standard is nowhere near as good as the Champions League?!

Can't imagine many being on here the day we win a play off final - they'd all be suffering from shock!

[downendcity]

40 minutes ago, phantom said:

What an amazing day, one of the best atmospheres I have ever experienced at Wembley. 

Met plenty of German supporters but hey we're the champions of Europe, ignoring the usual uneducated bullshit posted above 

Was also nice to bump into @shahanshahanon empire way

No photos of Wembley's rubbish bins to add to NTTDS's collection?

[phantom]

24 minutes ago, downendcity said:

No photos of Wembley's rubbish bins to add to NTTDS's collection?

I let you all down 

[Tinmans Love Child]

4 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

You watched 30 minutes of the whole tournament, deduced Spain were the only team close to the mens game, and then posted on here to tell us about it like some kind of footballing oracle.  Embarrassing.

It doesn’t matter whether they are better or worse than any standard of the mens game because it’s not the mens game, not that you would know as by your own admission you only watched 30 minutes of it.  Very poor post.

 

[Port Said Red]

7 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

It's strange isn't it, I watch women runners, jumpers, throwers etc in Athletics and marvel at their ability. Laura Kenny on a bike or Rebecca Addligton in the pool, amazing. Not once have I thought "yeah, but they would be light years behind Usain Bolt, Mo Farah, Greg Rutherford, Duplantis etc. Probably because it's ******* weird.

 

Edited August 1, 2022 by Port Said Red

[Super]

8 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

What a dumb post. Try watching more than 30 mins next time.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Super

[Bristol Oil Services]

Just to help the media out:

Women have done what men haven’t: beaten Europe. 

While, the Blokes have done what the Women have yet to do: beaten the World.

[RedRock]

Enjoyed the entire tournament, as much as mens, if not more so.

Thought the Lionesses were good value overall showing a range of qualities to achieve their victories. The Final was, perhaps, not as high quality as I had been expecting. The Germans were technically and tactically stronger on the day. However, the will-to-win, togetherness, bravery and sheer belligerence of the England team won the day. Bravo. 
 

Now if the men could instil some of those type-qualities in themselves, if Southgate would encourage them to play more positive, expansive, forward-thinking football we may have a chance in November. If we end up with the usual negative crab-like football, no chance. 

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Enjoyed the entire tournament, as much as mens, if not more so.

Thought the Lionesses were good value overall showing a range of qualities to achieve their victories. The Final was, perhaps, not as high quality as I had been expecting. The Germans were technically and tactically stronger on the day. However, the will-to-win, togetherness, bravery and sheer belligerence of the England team won the day. Bravo. 
 

Now if the men could instil some of those type-qualities in themselves, if Southgate would encourage them to play more positive, expansive, forward-thinking football we may have a chance in November. If we end up with the usual negative crab-like football, no chance. 

If only! 
 

Sarina Wiegman is a very impressive manager and I’d love to see her in charge of the Englands mens team but no other woman has managed a professional mens team at any level as far I know so the chances of the FA doing something revolutionary are definitely zero!

[Robbored]

9 minutes ago, TomF said:

There have been many.  

I can’t think of any woman managing a professional mens team at any time.

[PHILINFRANCE]

16 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I can’t think of any woman managing a professional mens team at any time.

If you have been watching the current tournament, you will no doubt have noticed the rather four looking French Coach, Corinne Diacre.

She was Head Coach of Clermont for several years.

There have been many others, mainly in Europe of course, but there was also a female coach in Scotland whose name I forget - I know you pay no attention to Scottish football, probably European neither, but you are wrong to say there have never been any female coaches of professional men’s teams.

Edited August 1, 2022 by PHILINFRANCE

[Robbored]

14 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

If you have been watching the current tournament, you will no doubt have noticed the rather four looking French Coach, Corinne Diacre.

She was Head Coach of Clermont for several years.

There have been many others, mainly in Europe of course, but there was also a female coach in Scotland whose name I forget - I know you pay no attention to Scottish football, probably European neither, but you are wrong to say there have never been any female coaches of professional men’s teams.

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..

[Baldyman]

9 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I really don’t think tonight is the night for this. Can we not just enjoy a wonderful occasion and a fantastic achievement without this constant need to compare it with the men’s game?

Today is a day to celebrate victory for a team that represents our country. End of.

Totally agree . I really don’t get his point . When Laura Trott( Kenny) , Kelly Holmes , Nicola Adams etc etc won all their gold medals , did we question. Their value because they didn’t compete against Chris Hoy , Seb Coe or Flloyd Mayweather ?  Just share the joy and embrace it eh ! 

[Red-Robbo]

9 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I really don’t think tonight is the night for this. Can we not just enjoy a wonderful occasion and a fantastic achievement without this constant need to compare it with the men’s game?

Today is a day to celebrate victory for a team that represents our country. End of.

 

Well said. 

To reiterate, not everything needs to be (or can be) compared to men.  Men hold all the furthest, longest, fastest world records, but that's a result of the natural advantages we were born with. Women have still given birth to all of us, and that is never gonna change.

No one can doubt our Lioness's were giving their all out there and from the 75 minutes of the game I saw - which sadly due to work was almost the only time I watched a full half in this tournament - they play a lovely, skillful, high-tempo passing game, which was pleasing to the eye. 

I felt quite emotional when we got the win as did my daughters, one of whom "doesn't like football".

It's a good thing for England, a good thing for football, a good thing for women's football, a good thing for women in sport, and for women in general.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Red-Robbo

[Super]

13 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..

Cherie Lunghi in the manageress

Edited August 1, 2022 by Super

[BS2 Red]

9 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..

Maybe one day Thomas Tuchel and Antonio Conte can start making decisions. 

[Baldyman]

9 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

To be fair well done, bravo and all that but they haven't 'done something no men's team could do since 66', for men aren't permitted to play in woman's tournaments (at least not yet.)

Admittedly I only watched about 30 mins of the whole tournament, but that was sufficient. By all means celebrate a great achievement for woman's football but in all seriousness answer this: Against which City representative side do you think the Lionesses would remain competitive? I reckon they might give the boys U16s a game but by U19s they'd struggle. U23s they'd be played off the park. And that's City.

From the few bits I did see the Spaniards were technically light years superior to anybody else and attempted to play something resembling adult men's football. England may well be champions of Europe and good on them. But if comparing to men's football, lack of ball control, ball retention and kick and rush, there is no comparison. I trust their success has women and girls rushing to pull on their boots to get involved, for that can only be a good thing  Just spare any conflation with the men's game as the two have little in common. 

 

You’re right , the whole culture of the women’s game is different. However we need to wake up and learn from the women’s game rather than minimalise their achievements! A whole tournament without half the fans trying to kill each other . Very little of the blatant cheating and diving we see in the mens game . A game not yet wrecked by the greed of players , agents and TV companies plus openly gay and straight players in every team and it just doesn’t matter . I think our game needs to learn things from the womens game personally because all that’s good in their version of the game is what’s wrong with ours ! 

[BTRFTG]

5 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

You watched 30 minutes of the whole tournament, deduced Spain were the only team close to the mens game, and then posted on here to tell us about it like some kind of footballing oracle.  Embarrassing.

It doesn’t matter whether they are better or worse than any standard of the mens game because it’s not the mens game, not that you would know as by your own admission you only watched 30 minutes of it.  Very poor post.

 

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

[Tinmans Love Child]

3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

[Cowshed]

3 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

My 'very poor' post simply highlighted the blind adulation, bandwagon jumping  that pervades today, in this case the phrase 'done something no men's team could do since 66'. As I highlighted there is NO comparison, though clearly reading whilst wearing rose-tinted glasses is difficult for some.  For one the 'professional' men's game is required to publish accounts that meet certain criteria. The 'professional' women's game is that in name only. Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

I posed the rhetorical question if there was a comparison just how comparable are the two, then proffered my own answer? Few were brave enough to suggest an answer knowing they'd be shot down if so doing. That's the nature of debate these days.

I congratulated the woman several times for their achievements and for the impact they'll have on the development of woman's football.

But we'll leave it to the bandwagon jumpers who, if true to their word, will ensure a massive expansion in attendance at woman's football this season. They sure as hell need the money.

This is incorrect. The sponsorship the womens game recieves is greater than the money that is received from the EPL that would never cover the costs of the WSL and its teams.  

[The Journalist]

What an amazing achievement. I've covered women's football off and on for a number of years and the physical, technical and tactical improvement has been quite staggering. The top league going fully professional has made a huge difference.

I love that this team also seem so relatable - a mix of younger players interspersed with older players who, once upon a time, even had to hold down part-time jobs just to sustain their football career.

Personally, I do find this desire to benchmark everything against the men's game - including the media's insistence to trot out the "first since 66" line - only serves to create an even bigger divide and greater resistance.

Just a personal view, but I think the women's team winning their first major trophy is FAR more significant than it being a first major trophy for either gender since 1966. It's a feat worthy of standing on its own as a sign of progress and a moment to inspire a new generation of football fans.

[Gazred]

31 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m talking female managers of professional mens clubs - not women working as coaches and before anyone points out that managers are also coaches they aren’t the one making the decisions.

Can anyone name a female manager of a professional mens team?…………..

Don't misinterpret the job title, she was the manager.

Clermont Foot appointed another female manager, Corrine Diacre in June 2014.

Diacre thus became the first women to manage a men’s team in France, and in any of Europe’s top two divisions when Clermont Foot lost 1-2 to Brest in a Ligue 2 game. Diacre managed Clermont Foot for 3 full seasons from 2014 to 2017, finishing mid-table, with her highest finish coming in 2015/16 where they finished 7th

[BS2 Red]

12 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Wholly bankrupt, minimal revenue (why might that be,) and dependant upon funding provided by, er, the men's game.

The mens game where most clubs are, er, mostly bankrupt and dependant on funding from billionaire owners?

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, Gazred said:

Don't misinterpret the job title, she was the manager.

Clermont Foot appointed another female manager, Corrine Diacre in June 2014.

Diacre thus became the first women to manage a men’s team in France, and in any of Europe’s top two divisions when Clermont Foot lost 1-2 to Brest in a Ligue 2 game. Diacre managed Clermont Foot for 3 full seasons from 2014 to 2017, finishing mid-table, with her highest finish coming in 2015/16 where they finished 7th

I take even less interest in French football than the Scottish version of the beautiful game.

[Port Said Red]

Just now, Robbored said:

I take even less interest in French football than the Scottish version of the beautiful game.

Especially when it proves you wrong.

[Gazred]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

I take even less interest in French football than the Scottish version of the beautiful game.

As is apparent.