Bar BS3 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 14 hours ago, Selred said: Well there’s two things here. Firstly we’d get £20 tickets for Reading, so it’s even anyway. Secondly I think we need to have £20 tickets in the Home End for non members in the first place. English Football is pricing fans out the game. £28-33 to be behind the goal is bonkers in my opinion. Aren't attendances generally higher now, across the leagues, than they were in the 90's...? Tickets were cheaper but facilities were almost as bad as them Mem is now... Despite the constant TV accessible on football & streaming, ciwds are up, despite ticket prices. Ours especially are. So what indicates that people are being priced out..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: Aren't attendances generally higher now, across the leagues, than they were in the 90's...? Tickets were cheaper but facilities were almost as bad as them Mem is now... Despite the constant TV accessible on football & streaming, ciwds are up, despite ticket prices. Ours especially are. So what indicates that people are being priced out..? Do you honestly believe that right now, during a cost of living crisis, people aren’t being priced out of tickets when they start from £28? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 6, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Selred said: Do you honestly believe that right now, during a cost of living crisis, people aren’t being priced out of tickets when they start from £28? Some will be, as a supporter I wish we got a cheaper day out, understanding from an FFP angle it makes sense not to On the basis that currently only three sides have agreed to the deal anyway that speaks volumes. Don't panic there is a £20 away ticket coming soon for us, but that club won't be so sly like Reading in how they announce it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, phantom said: Some will be, as a supporter I wish we got a cheaper day out, understanding from an FFP angle it makes sense not to On the basis that currently only three sides have agreed to the deal anyway that speaks volumes. Don't panic there is a £20 away ticket coming soon for us, but that club won't be so sly like Reading in how they announce it I hope so Phants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenchred Posted July 7, 2022 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 9 hours ago, bcfc01 said: Yep, the home fans. Very very blinkered view, All city fans, home and away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 On 05/07/2022 at 23:03, bcfc01 said: So you would be happy to see away fans at AG pay less than home fans ? I wouldnt be bothered too much to be honest because once you've factored in travel costs they prob paying twice as much as us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 Charge Cardiff £20? Don't think so. How about charge Cardiff £100 a ticket, plus booking fee, then depending on how they manage their disappointment either reimburse them 70% or so (minus admin fee) or use the 70% extra to refurbish. It doesn't work like that (mate), you say? More's the pity, says I 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Selred said: Do you honestly believe that right now, during a cost of living crisis, people aren’t being priced out of tickets when they start from £28? @Bar BS3 is doing well in life - so is obvlious to the issues most people are facing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 11 hours ago, bcfc01 said: Doesn't make any sense at all to me. 2k of our away fans getting a discount but probably 6k of our home fans paying more than the away fans. Madness. The same would also be true of reading? It’s giving both sets of away supporters discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Not somebody I normally agree with but this is a good piece from Simon Jordan with some well thought out arguments. The irony of Reading wasn't entirely lost on me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 7, 2022 Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Not somebody I normally agree with but this is a good piece from Simon Jordan with some well thought out arguments. The irony of Reading wasn't entirely lost on me. I like SJ a lot. He gets it wrong sometimes, but generally talks as a businessman astonished at how the business of football is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 7, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted July 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Davefevs said: To save anyone visiting that horrific website, I've copied below Agree with further comments above, SJ is actually speaking lots of sense here Simon Jordan has defended Bristol City's stance opting against Reading's £20 away ticket incentive but believes the Championship should follow in the Premier League's footsteps by introducing a cap. The Royals have written to every club in the second tier, offering away supporters a capped £20 ticket if the price is reciprocated at the opposition ground. In the top flight, Premier League clubs have recently agreed to stick with the £30 cap on away tickets until 2025 with the scheme introduced in the 2016-17 season. As it stands, five clubs have joined the initiative: Cardiff, Huddersfield, Blackburn, Swansea and Watford. However, City won't be joining the ranks because financially it wouldn't make sense. Speaking on talkSPORT, he said: "In the Championship, the average fill is 63 per cent. The irony of Reading, who have ruined themselves financially, who have the highest ratio of wages to turnover and then try to moralise how people should and shouldn't be pricing their tickets is almost beyond repel. "This is one of the leagues that has been affected most by Covid and losses, it's the league that is bleeding out of its eyes the most because of the proximity to the Premier League. "The average attendance is about 18/19,000 and the average capacity is about 30,000. In the Premier League, the attendance is 97 per cent. Of course, they can do £30 tickets and they get hundreds and millions of pounds of TV revenue. "There has to be a halfway house between football fans participating in the funding of their football club and that money being used to develop the team and football fans being able to afford it. "I'm a great advocate for fans and believe that their opinions are valuable but by the same token, I'd say 'you want me to spend more money on players, you to scream at me about which managers I should hire and fire and how much money it would cost me to do that. Are we in this together? If we are, up go your season ticket prices and I'll take every single penny and I'll spend it on players.' "Reading wants that because they've got a 55% attendance and nobody wants to go and watch them from an away point of view, if it helps them get their attendances up then good for them but other clubs are looking at it differently." City charged Reading £28 for an adult ticket last season and sold out the 1,047 allocation in the John Atyeo stand. An £8 reduction would mean the Robins would stand to lose around £9,000 in revenue. However, there is an argument that with the rising cost of living crisis including travel to away stadiums, clubs could take the decision to lower the prices in a gesture of goodwill. Former Crystal Palace owner Jordan is less sympathetic, arguing: "If you're in a cost of living crisis don't go. Get your priorities right. "I'm saying that on the basis of the framework that this is the most expensive league in football and the Premier League and their wonderful, magnanimous view are doing it at £30, they have 97 per cent filled stadiums, they have a £3bn a year TV deal with the Football League have a packet of gobstoppers and a sherbert dip as funding, and here we are asking them to concede that we can't charge a fair price for a fair ticket. "I don't see any reason why if the Premier League is doing £30, then the Championship shouldn't do £30. Football costs money at every level, if you're watching Reading it's because you value Reading." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Jordan has defended Bristol City's stance opting against Reading's £20 away ticket incentive but believes the Championship should follow in the Premier League's footsteps by introducing a cap. The Royals have written to every club in the second tier, offering away supporters a capped £20 ticket if the price is reciprocated at the opposition ground. In the top flight, Premier League clubs have recently agreed to stick with the £30 cap on away tickets until 2025 with the scheme introduced in the 2016-17 season. As it stands, five clubs have joined the initiative: Cardiff, Huddersfield, Blackburn, Swansea and Watford. However, City won't be joining the ranks because financially it wouldn't make sense. Speaking on talkSPORT, he said: "In the Championship, the average fill is 63 per cent. The irony of Reading, who have ruined themselves financially, who have the highest ratio of wages to turnover and then try to moralise how people should and shouldn't be pricing their tickets is almost beyond repel. "This is one of the leagues that has been affected most by Covid and losses, it's the league that is bleeding out of its eyes the most because of the proximity to the Premier League. "The average attendance is about 18/19,000 and the average capacity is about 30,000. In the Premier League, the attendance is 97 per cent. Of course, they can do £30 tickets and they get hundreds and millions of pounds of TV revenue. "There has to be a halfway house between football fans participating in the funding of their football club and that money being used to develop the team and football fans being able to afford it. "I'm a great advocate for fans and believe that their opinions are valuable but by the same token, I'd say 'you want me to spend more money on players, you to scream at me about which managers I should hire and fire and how much money it would cost me to do that. Are we in this together? If we are, up go your season ticket prices and I'll take every single penny and I'll spend it on players.' "Reading wants that because they've got a 55% attendance and nobody wants to go and watch them from an away point of view, if it helps them get their attendances up then good for them but other clubs are looking at it differently." City charged Reading £28 for an adult ticket last season and sold out the 1,047 allocation in the John Atyeo stand. An £8 reduction would mean the Robins would stand to lose around £9,000 in revenue. However, there is an argument that with the rising cost of living crisis including travel to away stadiums, clubs could take the decision to lower the prices in a gesture of goodwill. Former Crystal Palace owner Jordan is less sympathetic, arguing: "If you're in a cost of living crisis don't go. Get your priorities right. "I'm saying that on the basis of the framework that this is the most expensive league in football and the Premier League and their wonderful, magnanimous view are doing it at £30, they have 97 per cent filled stadiums, they have a £3bn a year TV deal with the Football League have a packet of gobstoppers and a sherbert dip as funding, and here we are asking them to concede that we can't charge a fair price for a fair ticket. "I don't see any reason why if the Premier League is doing £30, then the Championship shouldn't do £30. Football costs money at every level, if you're watching Reading it's because you value Reading."
phil_clevedon Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 (edited) On 06/07/2022 at 21:29, Selred said: To be fair Reading sold out last time, so not possible. However I’d rather the club do the right things for the fans. They actually only sold 1,049 which is less than half the tickets they could have been allocated if they'd wanted them. Anyone else see the irony in a club who are having major financial difficulties, with a transfer embargo, and only able to half fill their own stadium trying to get other clubs to reduce prices? Edited July 8, 2022 by phil_clevedon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 06/07/2022 at 08:39, Riaz said: Asked on the Jerry section for this to happen a while back Very poor from our club, to not sign up. Following city is an expensive hobby. The cost to help more supporters travel is negligible compared to the cost for the supporters. If it means you put a quid on all home tickets, then so be it. I think a £20 away ticket price would also encourage more to travel, so in the long run, the club could maybe make it back. But from a financial point of view a club isn't bothered at all if fans travel away. Yes they are happy to have a high level of support at times, but they don't get a single penny from away sales, just the hassle of selling tickets and arranging coach travel. So they aren't bothered if we pay £20 a match or £50. No one is forced to go away. Also is it still in place that only a couple of times a season we can offer deals for matches at home that we don't have to offer away fans? Other than that we can't charge away fans less than home fans? I know this was in place a quite a few years ago, maybe that isn't the case now with all the mates rates stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted July 8, 2022 Admin Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 3 hours ago, phil_clevedon said: They actually only sold 1,049 which is less than half the tickets they could have been allocated if they'd wanted them. Anyone else see the irony in a club who are having major financial difficulties, with a transfer embargo, and only able to half fill their own stadium trying to get other clubs to reduce prices? Absolutely nailed it, I'm not sure why Reading felt the need to go so public about the teams that had agreed to the offer either Of course I would like to pay only £20 to go to Reading, but when they restrict how many people we can take to what will be at least a half empty stadium I have little sympathy Don't panic everyone, there is a £20 away ticket about to be announced - but unlike Reading our hosts wont be announcing it over Twitter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 06/07/2022 at 23:27, Selred said: Do you honestly believe that right now, during a cost of living crisis, people aren’t being priced out of tickets when they start from £28? I don't think that £28 prices people out of doing something they want to do, no - especially assuming it's an infrequent spend - otherwise they'd probably have a season ticket. £28 for a ticket to any live event, every now and again, doesn't seem OTT to me. As I said in my previous post & more relevant to what I actually said - was that ticket prices are far more now than in decades past, yet attendances are generally up in what they used to be, for many, many clubs - including ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted July 8, 2022 Report Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 07/07/2022 at 09:43, Riaz said: @Bar BS3 is doing well in life - so is obvlious to the issues most people are facing. I'm not oblivious to it mate - but I've been to plenty of sold out gigs recently at far more cost than £28 - so people clearly are finding money for events. Restaurants are still full, pubs are still pretty busy, there's work galore available for people who are looking for it (because many industries lost staff over covid) Yes, costs are inproportionately high for petrol, utilities etc - but it's not like the nation are all sat at home & not paying to going out for entertainments. £28 is certainly alot less than people might spend on many other options. Would anyone who wants to go to a city match, now & again, really say "I'd go if it was £20 - but I'm not paying £28" - really..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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