REDOXO Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, Akira said: But the poster I was replying to said we're 2nd from bottom, so used that as a stick to beat Pearson with. Pearson has done a good job so far in clearing out the shit slowly from this football club, bringing in the right people and actually bringing players through from our academy. Bad apples he ships out, and I have a lot of time for him, as I can see what he's trying to do. Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't forget what the football was like under our previous managers, with some of the signings we made, it set this club back years... 45 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: absolutely agree. I get the frustration but he's had a lot of crap to deal with and no money to play with This is absolutely the problem. Mr Lansdown gambled on LJ/MA backed his judgement with gobs of cash which set us on our way toward a lot of crap players hanging on and an FFP issue on the horizon. Mr Pearson has/is off loading much of the garbage and got us down to a manageable size. We still have certain players on large contracts that we are unable to move, Including, but not limited to, Massengo and Vyner and OLeary, for whatever reason, but, until we are able to move them on or cash in on Weimann/Scott/Semenyo leaves us in the position we find ourselves with players. (Unless we get a windfall from a sell on) Personally I still think what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger, but a win and a solid, competitive display over 90+ minutes is due over all of the coming games. Kalas and Semenyo coming in could not happen to soon! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 20 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: Missed the game, been out on a Birthday do Was it good bad or indifferent?? What is the question ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Zak Vyner is flat footed which is why he gets turned and why he can’t jump. He sits right back on his heels. Never on his toes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 17:32, redkev said: Could do with a defensive midfielding bully , who breaks play up is aggressive and gives it simple , and not no 5ft 5 player someone in the mild of a Marvin Elliot type player / physique. that would then give us some sort of platform to go forward , where we are half decent , but you can’t keep conceading week in week out . We e never really replaced Gerry Gow. Best in the business 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 If Naismith was Lutons player of the season it doesn't say much for the rest, and they reached the play offs mind. Vyner? Tries hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Naismith - Perhaps Bristol is his choice for first retirement home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 12, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 12, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 17:46, Bs4Red said: Vyner should have been gone a while ago. Bad player at this level. I'd bet the majority have just heard others say something and gone with it. He's certainly been no worse than anyone else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 The trouble with Zak is that he always seems to have a costly mistake in him. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you can't rely on him. That said I thought he had a very good game on Wednesday, so credit where it's due. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 13, 2022 Admin Share Posted August 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: The trouble with Zak is that he always seems to have a costly mistake in him. Unfortunately, in my opinion, you can't rely on him. That said I thought he had a very good game on Wednesday, so credit where it's due. The funny thing about that, if you talk to supporters of other teams it sounds like every club has a player like that. I'm going to Villa vs Everton tomorrow you just know Mings will cock up at some point in the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Bet that will be a good atmosphere. Been to a few everton games, myself, good vocal away following. I would expect,at least 80 mins of anti gerrard songs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DNA Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 6 hours ago, phantom said: The funny thing about that, if you talk to supporters of other teams it sounds like every club has a player like that. Exactly this. There always will be one player (or @Robbored!) who is not up to the standard and will get slated regardless of how hard he tries or is played out of position. A few years ago it was Fontaine who’s confidence was destroyed by many on here. Once Zak leaves to a play at whatever level he’s best capable at, the abuse will turn to the next player and so it goes on. We’re all entitled to opinions but relentlessly pursuing a player will erode their confidence even further and make it worse - try to be constructive in your criticism and it might make them a better player! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Red DNA said: Exactly this. There always will be one player (or @Robbored!) who is not up to the standard and will get slated regardless of how hard he tries or is played out of position. A few years ago it was Fontaine who’s confidence was destroyed by many on here. Once Zak leaves to a play at whatever level he’s best capable at, the abuse will turn to the next player and so it goes on. We’re all entitled to opinions but relentlessly pursuing a player will erode their confidence even further and make it worse - try to be constructive in your criticism and it might make them a better player! More than anything it was the reaction from the fans at AG when he made mistakes that destroyed his confidence. Nothing worse than 15k fans groaning and giving you the bird when you mess up. The poor guy became so nervous that he could barely make a short pass I actually felt really sorry for him. Edited August 13, 2022 by Robbored Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I think the reason why Zak gets slated is because he doesn’t learn. He lets players run off him too easily, can get pushed off too easily when the ball comes in. That defending for Simms goal was comical really… You can’t afford defending like that at this level. He’s too nice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Robbored said: More than anything it was the reaction from the fans at AG when he made mistakes that destroyed his confidence. Nothing worse than 15k fans groaning and giving you the bird when you mess up. The poor guy became so nervous that he could barely make a short pass He needed to be stronger.. Zac needs to be stronger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I'll bet that all this focus on Zak is appreciated by Bents who was nutmegged by a straightforward toe poke. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Robbored said: More than anything it was the reaction from the fans at AG when he made mistakes that destroyed his confidence. Nothing worse than 15k fans groaning and giving you the bird when you mess up. The poor guy became so nervous that he could barely make a short pass I actually felt really sorry for him. Without wanting to sound harsh on Fontaine but that’s going to happen when playing in front of a live paying crowd. I never once felt sorry for him to be honest - he was a liability come the end just like Zak is now. People pay good money to watch these highly paid ‘professionals’ and don’t expect mistakes week in week out which was where Fontaine was towards the end. It has been done to death on here but Vyner is far too mistake prone at this level. It’s not really comparable to Fontaine anyway who was a very good centre half at this level for many seasons for us who just unfortunately lost his way towards the end of his career. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I have never rated Vyner since his mistake lost us the play-off final to Hull. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Ultimately, the players who succeed at the higher to highest levels have to have a ruthless (or even an outright nasty) side to them. It’s a shield against the type of criticism with which other players crumble and fade away. Some players even thrive off ‘proving people wrong’. Vyner doesn’t strike me as having that sort of mentality. Obviously I have a very restricted view, seeing him only once or twice per week in a 90 minute match. But from his body language on the pitch, and the recurrent nature of his concentration lapses, I don’t see evidence of grit, or determination, to overcome his weaknesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 20:54, Simon bristol said: Yep, we have a league 1 attacking midfielder playing right wing back while having wilson and tanner not getting a look in. Yes - we need a couple of changes today for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 34 minutes ago, bris red said: Without wanting to sound harsh on Fontaine but that’s going to happen when playing in front of a live paying crowd. I never once felt sorry for him to be honest - he was a liability come the end just like Zak is now. People pay good money to watch these highly paid ‘professionals’ and don’t expect mistakes week in week out which was where Fontaine was towards the end. It has been done to death on here but Vyner is far too mistake prone at this level. It’s not really comparable to Fontaine anyway who was a very good centre half at this level for many seasons for us who just unfortunately lost his way towards the end of his career First highlight - fair point about us paying fans not expecting regular mistakes from the same player .Unfortunately when they happen its the negative reaction of the crowd that has a demoralising effect on that player and that’ll never change. Second highlight - Fontaine moved to Scotland to continue playing and that was the right move for him.I think he played north of the border for rest of his career. We all saw Naismith mess up against Sunderland - what will happen if he messes up again today?………will he join Vyner on the fans naughty step? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: Yes - we need a couple of changes today for sure. Think there will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastred Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 On 06/08/2022 at 20:02, Seasonticketred said: want a medal? and can you say you have watched every game ? have your medal and be gone Oh dear Mummy has upset you today. Yes I’ve seen City since 1976, so in a fairly good position to comment pal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastred Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 On 07/08/2022 at 11:56, Akira said: But the poster I was replying to said we're 2nd from bottom, so used that as a stick to beat Pearson with. Pearson has done a good job so far in clearing out the shit slowly from this football club, bringing in the right people and actually bringing players through from our academy. Bad apples he ships out, and I have a lot of time for him, as I can see what he's trying to do. Rome wasn't built in a day. Don't forget what the football was like under our previous managers, with some of the signings we made, it set this club back years... Akira- if you had bothered to actually think about what I said it would have made sense. Yes we are bottom of the league after two games. Pearson needs to go based on his time at City not just based in two games. This is a man with a poor track record- look up his time at Derby and I. Belgium as an example 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Robbored said: We all saw Naismith mess up against Sunderland - what will happen if he messes up again today?… Got caught playing out against the press. Should be a fairly straightforward dialogue between Nigel & the players. Wigan will also press high - lesson learned so no reason whatsoever for a repeat today. Edited August 13, 2022 by Son of Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redysteadygo Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Son of Fred said: Got caught playing out against the press. Should be a fairly straightforward dialogue between Nigel & the players. Wigan will also press high - lesson learned so no reason whatsoever for a repeat today. Bentley included. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bs4Red Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 17 hours ago, phantom said: I'd bet the majority have just heard others say something and gone with it. He's certainly been no worse than anyone else I said this 2 years ago mate and stand by it. Bad player, shouldn’t wear the shirt. He’s been the worst of any player to wear the shirt for that long a period Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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