Barrs Court Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Queen Elizabeth II: Macmillan cancer charity walks cancelled - BBC News Not football obviously but this seems like a ridiculous decision to me. Not sure if there’s a word for it, but a lot of it seems to be driven by the need to be seen “doing something” 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrdc Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said: Not sure if there’s a word for it, but a lot of it seems to be driven by the need to be seen “doing something” Now that is absolute madness. I am starting to get really fed up with things getting cancelled and this forced grieving, my wife and I keep disagreeing over this. She thinks we should all be taking time to respect and think about what has happened. Our kids have noted it and now on their iPads or watching Netflix, whereas they could have spent the day in Bristol with their nanny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Bank holiday on the funeral day confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 13 hours ago, Colombo Robin said: One good thing to come out of this is it might make people take note of how ridiculous the whole set up is and hasten the demise of the monarchy. Such an outdated concept. There will inevitably always be rich and poor, but to this extent, where eveyone has to pause life because someone who none of us have ever met died, when people we know personally die all the time and in there own way are just as worthy of respect as the queen. Think we should all be aiming for something more balanced for our kids to grow up in There is no public clamour whatsoever for what you suggest. Ironically, as they have lost the best of the best, it appears to me from the public mood that if anything the monarchy is only likely to be strengthened by the death of our beloved Queen. Renewed and reinvigorated by her son who is looking increasingly like he's matured in to a chip off the old block. God save the King. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 if true it confirms what many of us suspected and IMO why it’s right for football fans to be up in arms. Regardless of how realistic you think those predictions are it shows the contempt held for football fans across this country. Many of us follow the team across the country and see this mistreatment of fans first hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antman Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 in summary.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, MarcusX said: if true it confirms what many of us suspected and IMO why it’s right for football fans to be up in arms. Regardless of how realistic you think those predictions are it shows the contempt held for football fans across this country. Many of us follow the team across the country and see this mistreatment of fans first hand. Does this mean our football body doesn’t trust it’s fans? Backlash incoming if so! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Does this mean our football body doesn’t trust it’s fans? Backlash incoming if so! At least it’s been finally said now! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, MarcusX said: if true it confirms what many of us suspected and IMO why it’s right for football fans to be up in arms. Regardless of how realistic you think those predictions are it shows the contempt held for football fans across this country. Many of us follow the team across the country and see this mistreatment of fans first hand. The thought processes of those in power are being laid bare, you have a PM who thinks "the workers" are a separate entity to the voters and here you have an example of a group that is formed from all levels of society being treated as separate non-conformist entity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abraham Romanovich Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: It is only those who run football who are showing themselves to have fallen out of touch and to have misjudged the public mood. The public mood is not represented by a few contributors on a football forum . Consider the global impact of the Queen's death . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Just now, Abraham Romanovich said: The public mood is not represented by a few contributors on a football forum . Consider the global impact of the Queen's death . It might have one I suppose, but she wielded no power in reality, so I don't think it's as great as some imagine. I am struggling to understand what your point has to do with domestic football matches though. I find it interesting that in many cases the same people will be attending tonights rugby match, an occasion at which they are trusted to behave properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Port Said Red said: You haven't "read" the whole thread but have leaped to the conclusion that we are all being disrespectful and you are embarrassed to be associated with the rest of us. I think if you had read the thread and had digested the points made, you will find very little disrespectful in it. People making assumptions or picking out items that suit their own agenda, I think this is more typical of OTIB and more embarrassing. No a lot of what I read was anti-monarchy and NOW is not the time for that sort of posting. The country is in mourning, and the reality is, if people don't have anything nice to say, they should say nothing at all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, MarcusX said: if true it confirms what many of us suspected and IMO why it’s right for football fans to be up in arms. Regardless of how realistic you think those predictions are it shows the contempt held for football fans across this country. Many of us follow the team across the country and see this mistreatment of fans first hand. You are right but you can guarantee it would be disrespected at a few grounds by a fee idiots. Not saying that's a valid excuse to call off games for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamdon Mart Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 The sport of cricket have also shown exactly how to do it this morning. A respectful silence followd by the South African anthem and topped off with our National Anthem. Superbly sung, emotional and rounded off with a stirring round of applause. Football, you've missed out here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 If they're really worried about that just stop Liverpool and Celtic from playing and let the rest of us crack on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Bank holiday on the funeral day confirmed. Where has this been published? As far as I can see, the date of the funeral is yet to be officially announced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Does this mean our football body doesn’t trust it’s fans? Backlash incoming if so! I guess Celtic, Catholic teams from Northern Ireland, and potentially Liverpool, were the worry for the various authorities. The answer would have been to keep mandated behaviour to a minimum, eg: black armbands for all teams in Great Britain, but not NI unless they want to, individual clubs can decide whether they are going to hold a two-minute silence and/or play the National Anthem. I imagine the overwhelming majority would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 hours ago, BTRFTG said: I think you'll find the main justification for 'Monarchy' these past 3 centuries is it appears to deliver constitutional and political stability it, after all, meaning 'the rule of the many by the one for the purpose of good'. Look at the remaining 46 monarchies around the globe and they tend to be decent, peaceful and prosperous places to reside. When monarchies fall they're invariably replaced by President Republics or Confederations. A quick scan of the major Presidencies of late doesn't exactly promote the concept: Trump , Biden, Putin, Xi, Erdogan, Bolsanaro, Kim Jong-un, Salih, al-Assad, Maduro. Add in just about any African nation, ex-Soviet state and central American dictatorship, consider security, conflict, economic stability and personal liberty and monarchy wins out by a mile. That's not to say the present form of the UK Royal Family should remain, rather their very function within the constitution should be preserved and for good reason, it provides an essential buffer to political extremism and stasis. As I mentioned elsewhere, if folks bothered to review the Royals funding position rather than fixate on the Privy Purse, as anti-monarchists so love to do, they'll see The Exchequer receives far, far more in revenue from them than is paid back and that's before any 'benefit' to UKPLC's economy is considered. As for Charles having 'leached out' fortunes from the Duchy of Cornwall (I assume you also include his other income streams,) its worth noting he's cost the taxpayer nothing, has paid all his own costs and voluntarily paid top rate income tax on all surplus (he didn't have to.) As per your suggestion he may subsidise his existence from 'The Duchy' he can't, its no longer his. He will, however, and as with ERII, more than pay his own way given all that he has inherited by way of income streams is paid to The Exchequer. But when I say 'he has inherited' I really should have said 'the function has inhetited,' for that's what it is. A functional, not personal, existence. The accounts are public record. Presidents BTW, do not come cheap. Amazing how many have PERSONALLY become the richest people in the world. Unlike monarchs that wealth doesn't transfer to the next in line, preserved ultimately for a nation's benefit. It sits in personal bank accounts around the globe. Great post.....thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin for life Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said: Just watching the golf and they done a immaculate 2 minute silence and paid their respects. I think it’s a shame football across the British isles couldn’t do the same today. Would of been special and emotional IMO Providing people followed protocol. By reading this thread and the levels of anti monarchy, it's no wonder the FA did not trust the fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, MarcusX said: if true it confirms what many of us suspected and IMO why it’s right for football fans to be up in arms. Regardless of how realistic you think those predictions are it shows the contempt held for football fans across this country. Many of us follow the team across the country and see this mistreatment of fans first hand. So why was Non League and amateur football also cancelled? Makes no sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, robin for life said: No a lot of what I read was anti-monarchy and NOW is not the time for that sort of posting. The country is in mourning, and the reality is, if people don't have anything nice to say, they should say nothing at all! Total rubbish, I could go through the whole thing and find the majority of posts are sympathetic. I have been reading the thread from the beginning, by your own admission you haven't, as far as I am concerned that puts you on a par with those want books or films banned even though they haven't read or seen them. Edited September 10, 2022 by Port Said Red 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winsaw Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Good to see the England cricket fans being given there chance to show respect this morning, if only us football fans had been given the same chance 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 1 minute ago, robin for life said: Providing people followed protocol. By reading this thread and the levels of anti monarchy, it's no wonder the FA did not trust the fans. You can be a Republican and also know how to show respect. You can also want a modern constitution without being anti-monarchy 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, robin for life said: Providing people followed protocol. By reading this thread and the levels of anti monarchy, it's no wonder the FA did not trust the fans. Can you show some examples of the "levels of anti monarchy" please? Because I've not seen very much. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 hours ago, gl2 said: News readers/reporters show their respect by wearing black, striking unions postpone strikes as a mark of respect and the powers that be postpone weekend football games as a mark of respect; no big deal imo there will be football games next week, its a moment in time. Spend the time in reflection and be thankfull that you still have your mother/father/sister/brother/friends unlike some who have very few of the forementioned left. Its a game of football f.f.s. do something else for a few hrs. Yep a moment in time that should have been seized to allow many thousands of people the opportunity to express their respect at public events, instead of sitting in the pub? Pointless exercise, that achieves nothing IMHO. However thankyou so much for letting me know that i can spend my weekend reflecting..........I would never have thought of doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, robin for life said: Providing people followed protocol. By reading this thread and the levels of anti monarchy, it's no wonder the FA did not trust the fans. Stood shoulder to shoulder with fellow city fans paying our respects with our club would of been a fitting tribute. I don’t agree with many things at football but i don’t disrespect other peoples views . I just keep my mouth shut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 Funny thread - good on them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I guess Celtic, Catholic teams from Northern Ireland, and potentially Liverpool, were the worry for the various authorities. The answer would have been to keep mandated behaviour to a minimum, eg: black armbands for all teams in Great Britain, but not NI unless they want to, individual clubs can decide whether they are going to hold a two-minute silence and/or play the National Anthem. I imagine the overwhelming majority would. There was even a mixed reaction at Hearts which is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: There was even a mixed reaction at Hearts which is interesting. Yep, maybe it would be the case at many Scottish clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 10, 2022 Report Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Yep, maybe it would be the case at many Scottish clubs. As far as I know, Hearts’ fan politics is generally on the same lines as Rangers so it was a bit surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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