Davefevs Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 And here is the beautiful game explained. Love this. He could so easily have been Nige talking about Naismith in many ways. No, I’m not saying compare Trent with Kal, but the trade off rationale is no different. 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, Davefevs said: And here is the beautiful game explained. Love this. He could so easily have been Nige talking about Naismith in many ways. No, I’m not saying compare Trent with Kal, but the trade off rationale is no different. What Klopp says ought to be self evident. The rewards from TAA playing the way he does significantly outweigh the risks. As you imply, the same might be said of Naismith. But it doesn't follow that he should be first choice for England. To make the most of his strengths you would need to set up the way Liverpool do. You only have to look at the centre backs available to England to conclude that you won't get away with playing a very high line with 2 centre backs. So I can understand Southgate's position. 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, chinapig said: But it doesn't follow that he should be first choice for England. To make the most of his strengths you would need to set up the way Liverpool do. You only have to look at the centre backs available to England to conclude that you won't get away with playing a very high line with 2 centre backs. So I can understand Southgate's position. Totally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, Davefevs said: And here is the beautiful game explained. Love this. He could so easily have been Nige talking about Naismith in many ways. No, I’m not saying compare Trent with Kal, but the trade off rationale is no different. Pfft! Jurgen Klopp! What does he know!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Pfft! Jurgen Klopp! What does he know!? Absolutely. He`s no Joey Barton and never will be................................................ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 13 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Pfft! Jurgen Klopp! What does he know!? Sod all is what. He's not a proper manager. I certainly don't recall him ever getting a team promoted out of the Championship. 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Absolutely. He`s no Joey Barton and never will be................................................ Is he a proper Manager? Where is the Championship promotion on his CV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Is he a proper Manager? Where is the Championship promotion on his CV? Barton would say it’s next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 In five comments OTIB goes from a thorough tactical apraisal of how Liverpool play and why Trent Alexander Arnold is integral to the way they set up. to Joey Barton being the best manager never to win promotion from the Championship. FWIW, Southgate has a connundrum, where for all England's supposed attacking flair, we have defenders of questionable quality. I tried really hard to watch the last England game. I just couldn't really bring myself towards it. I've no passion for the team. KOYR. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 I'm happy with Naismith. Been to vital to our transformation this season. Akin to how Webster transformed us when he joined. I thought Rob Atkinson's appreciation of what Kal has brought to the team and to his own confidence and opportunity to carry the ball out of defence was very telling. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Barton would say it’s next season. I meant Klopp, but fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 50 minutes ago, Andy082005 said: Pfft! Jurgen Klopp! What does he know!? He's yet to have a river named after him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 If only Southgate realised that if he wants to play 3-4-3 then James right centre back and Trent right midfield is his two best options. Both world class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Andy082005 said: Pfft! Jurgen Klopp! What does he know!? Absolutely. He's not a "proper" manager 'cause he's never got a team promoted from the championship! Edit: I've just seen @Port Said Red earlier post saying much the same! Edited October 1, 2022 by downendcity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, chinapig said: What Klopp says ought to be self evident. The rewards from TAA playing the way he does significantly outweigh the risks. As you imply, the same might be said of Naismith. But it doesn't follow that he should be first choice for England. To make the most of his strengths you would need to set up the way Liverpool do. You only have to look at the centre backs available to England to conclude that you won't get away with playing a very high line with 2 centre backs. So I can understand Southgate's position. 25 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: If only Southgate realised that if he wants to play 3-4-3 then James right centre back and Trent right midfield is his two best options. Both world class. I completely see the issue that Southgate has in central defence and that this must cause him to question TAA's defensive ability. However, until the Germany game we've been struggling at the other end of the pitch, and I wonder how much a world class striker like Kane would benefit from TAA's ability to play killer balls ( passes and crosses) into the box from just about anywhere As others have already said this illustrates only too well the conundrum that managers must often face over team selection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Humble Realist Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Appreciate no one has said this but one obvious difference with Naismith is he has made 5 at least...complete howlers leading to goals. Sure trent hasn't been great but he certainly hasn't cost liverpool multiple goals. That's the difference. Hopefully no mistakes today ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said: Appreciate no one has said this but one obvious difference with Naismith is he has made 5 at least...complete howlers leading to goals. Sure trent hasn't been great but he certainly hasn't cost liverpool multiple goals. That's the difference. Hopefully no mistakes today ! TAA isn’t a centre back so any errors are unlikely to lead directly and instantly to a goal He has real defensive shortcomings those have played a part in Liverpool conceding goals , just not so obvious or instant , unless you actually watch how or why a problem developed. People need to get off Naismith back IMHO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 1, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 hours ago, The Humble Realist said: Appreciate no one has said this but one obvious difference with Naismith is he has made 5 at least...complete howlers leading to goals. Sure trent hasn't been great but he certainly hasn't cost liverpool multiple goals. That's the difference. Hopefully no mistakes today ! The point Klopp is making is about the overall “system”…the pros and cons, the risks and rewards. When people focus on mistakes or just the goals conceded for example, they blinker themselves from seeing lots of the good stuff…and where that benefits in other areas. Thats the point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 Was our goal from a Naismith free kick? He does have set piece ability like TAA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 1, 2022 Report Share Posted October 1, 2022 39 minutes ago, Daniro said: Was our goal from a Naismith free kick? He does have set piece ability like TAA. He really doesn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Monaghan Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 I thought that this was obvious? England (how Gareth wants us to play) don’t play like Liverpool. We are defensive minded and not a pressing side like Liverpool. So basically Klopp has explained exactly why TAA doesn’t start for England, as much as I disagree with it and our negative style of play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 10 hours ago, Ghost Rider said: I thought that this was obvious? England (how Gareth wants us to play) don’t play like Liverpool. We are defensive minded and not a pressing side like Liverpool. So basically Klopp has explained exactly why TAA doesn’t start for England, as much as I disagree with it and our negative style of play. The point of my OP wasn’t to say TAA should be in the England team…your post is completely right - just that football is a game of compromises. Klopp builds that into his system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Monaghan Posted October 2, 2022 Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 6 hours ago, Davefevs said: The point of my OP wasn’t to say TAA should be in the England team…your post is completely right - just that football is a game of compromises. Klopp builds that into his system. Sorry @Davefevs, my post wasn’t actually aimed aimed at you. I’ve just seen a lot on social media about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: Sorry @Davefevs, my post wasn’t actually aimed aimed at you. I’ve just seen a lot on social media about it. No, I know, I was just generalising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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