Supporter Dolman

[italian dave]

1 minute ago, glynriley said:

So not in the ground then 

I was in the ground. As I’ve posted elsewhere, I thought that was a lesson in how to referee a game. I thought he was excellent. 

[glynriley]

3 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I was in the ground. As I’ve posted elsewhere, I thought that was a lesson in how to referee a game. I thought he was excellent. 

And as I said elsewhere,we all see things different. 
 

[joe jordans teeth]

40 minutes ago, redkev said:

When ever I listen to Gary owers I always find he talks a lot of sense ,

just my opinion 

All opinions are welcome 

[Bristol Rob]

36 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I was in the ground. As I’ve posted elsewhere, I thought that was a lesson in how to referee a game. I thought he was excellent. 

I thought his positioning was suspect at best, two occasions (one resulting in a collision that led to a Swansea attack) when he blocked play. 

He also played a ridiculous advantage for us where the only advantage would have been a free kick on the edge of the Swansea box after Pring (I think it was) had run with the ball, passed to Wells and the got clattered.

Seen much much worse refs, but aside from issuing the minimum number of cards, don't see any real reason to heap praise on him.

[frenchred]

1 hour ago, glynriley said:

So not in the ground then 

no, was it too difficult for you to understand?

just explain what difference it makes?

 

[glynriley]

2 minutes ago, frenchred said:

no, was it too difficult for you to understand?

just explain what difference it makes?

 

Do I need to? Can you not understand the difference in watching a game live at the ground, and watching a game on the telly? I can see whatever goes on all over the pitch, you can see what they show you on the box. 
 But fair play if you think the ref was decent. 
I still think he was shit from my seat in the stadium. 

[RedLionLad]

3 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Do I need to? Can you not understand the difference in watching a game live at the ground, and watching a game on the telly? I can see whatever goes on all over the pitch, you can see what they show you on the box. 
 But fair play if you think the ref was decent. 
I still think he was shit from my seat in the stadium. 

If you think he was sh*t, what's your opinion of the genuine sh*t ones we've had recently?

[Bris Red]

Was sat a few rows in front of him in E32, felt like it took an age for medical help to come and the officials on the pitch were oblivious to it all..

Stewards police and medical staff were far too late to respond IMO 

[In the Net]

Sorry to read this, and I hope the person is OK.

the Rovers game was stopped on Wednesday evening when our GK signalled that there was a person in the Sheffield Wednesday end who needed medical attention.  It could be a nightmare trying to get somebody out on a stretcher if there was an incident on the pitch which triggered the crowd. (Yeah, I know, not very likely when Rovers are playing - but you get the drift!)

[CyderInACan]

First and foremost I hope the person involved is ok. It looked a bit dicey I thought. 

[glynriley]

9 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

If you think he was sh*t, what's your opinion of the genuine sh*t ones we've had recently?

They’re shit. It’s not rocket science. Most refs are poor. Why do you think a premier league ref is doing a championship game? Most refs are shit, they don’t understand the game. Most of them have never played at a decent level. 
Todays ref has been shunted down a level , because he’s no good. 

[BigAl&Toby]

4 minutes ago, glynriley said:

They’re shit. It’s not rocket science. Most refs are poor. Why do you think a premier league ref is doing a championship game? Most refs are shit, they don’t understand the game. Most of them have never played at a decent level. 
Todays ref has been shunted down a level , because he’s no good. 

@glynrileywhat an interesting view.

So to be a good ref you need to have played the game?

Is the same true when giving an opinion? To give the opinion that the ref is shit you must’ve been a ref?

Odd.

FWIW I thought he was pretty good. Got caught up with what might be seen as an obstruction but he was in the right position on his diagonal.

Apart from that I thought he did ok.

[Red Army 87]

9 minutes ago, glynriley said:

They’re shit. It’s not rocket science. Most refs are poor. Why do you think a premier league ref is doing a championship game? Most refs are shit, they don’t understand the game. Most of them have never played at a decent level. 
Todays ref has been shunted down a level , because he’s no good. 

Or the EFL have requested a higher level ref due to potential intensity of the game - not uncommon 

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

3 minutes ago, Red Army 87 said:

Or the EFL have requested a higher level ref due to potential intensity of the game - not uncommon 

He has been injured and not reffed for a month or so probably why he had a championship game on his return rather than a prem game

[GlastonburyRed]

2 hours ago, Red Army 87 said:

Could be wrong, but have officials been instructed not to stop games this season? Hope the person involved recovers well. Horrible to see. 

I know there has been some frustration from the crowd doctors & their teams, who feel that they are hampered to an extent when playing side medics get involved in the care of what are essentially their patients. Can lead to crossed-wires, compromised care etc, and stopping a match can arguably cause more issues; you wouldn't expect the crowd doctors to enter the FoP to deal with playing staff injuries/illness etc. I suspect this may have been fedback and so perhaps there will be less of a willingness to stop play in the future, will wait & see.

Hope the person in question is recovering well.

Edited October 29, 2022 by GlastonburyRed

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

I thought his positioning was suspect at best, two occasions (one resulting in a collision that led to a Swansea attack) when he blocked play. 

He also played a ridiculous advantage for us where the only advantage would have been a free kick on the edge of the Swansea box after Pring (I think it was) had run with the ball, passed to Wells and the got clattered.

Seen much much worse refs, but aside from issuing the minimum number of cards, don't see any real reason to heap praise on him.

I've seen much worse..pretty much most weeks! You've given examples of why you weren't impressed so I'll try with some reasons why I was.

I thought he had an air of real authority about him. Without ever being the centre of attention, he left little doubt about who was in control. He was unobtrusive (OK, except for the collision with Scott) but always on top of the game and trying to keep it flowing.

I'll give an example: corners. How he managed the jostling at corners was in such stark contrast to the ref last week at Reading (when there were also quite a few corners). Last week's ref would give several loud blasts on the whistle, ostentatiously signal players over so that he could lecture them, then when the corner came in both sides completely ignored what he'd said and engaged in - quite literally - wrestling each other to the ground. Today, he just made it quietly clear what he was looking out for and what he expected, and although there was still physical contact it wasn't the joke that last week was.

Someone else has commented on how we thought he gave cheap free kicks against us whilst Swansea fans felt he didn't give all they deserved. We're most of us innately biased in how we view referees. Personally, as anyone who sits near me will tell you, I'm very vocal about referees! Today there were a few occasions where I was disappointed that he hadn't given us a decision, but not one where I did what I usually do and jumped up out of my seat in disgust!!

Neither set of fans really felt that aggrieved by anything he did - not loudly or for long. Not like other games where you find both sets of fans singing 'you don't know what you're doing' and often at the same time!

He didn't wave cards about like many do either - I don't think he had very much choice about Pring, although I wasn't sure whether he was booking him for foul play or sexual abuse. 

I just thought he had an authority about him and a control of the game that was impressive. And, yes, I'd accept that we have a very low bar in this league!

[glynriley]

57 minutes ago, BigAl&Toby said:

@glynrileywhat an interesting view.

So to be a good ref you need to have played the game?

Is the same true when giving an opinion? To give the opinion that the ref is shit you must’ve been a ref?

Odd.

FWIW I thought he was pretty good. Got caught up with what might be seen as an obstruction but he was in the right position on his diagonal.

Apart from that I thought he did ok.

Fair enough. That’s your opinion, and you’re entitled to it. 

I thought the ref and the linesman were poor. I’ve watched enough and played enough in the last 50 years to be comfortable with my opinion. 

[Artcliffe exile]

On more than one occasion the ref guessed at corner/goal kick decisions at both ends and the linesman in front of me dolman block A made countless mistakes he probably played a part in the ref being so poor

amazing how people see different things at games no slight on anyone just don’t know what some see

[Harry]

One of my friends was one of the people who went on the pitch. There were actually 2 fans who went on, my friend was the one who wasn’t carted off by the stewards. 
It was clear to me from the other side of the ground that something was amiss. People were waving their arms to get attention. Both benches were also waving for attention and I’m sure it was Scott Murray who went up to the 4th official. But still nothing was happening and no one was reacting. 
My friend started getting impatient that no stewards or St John’s were responding. So he went on the pitch to try to get attention to the incident. My friend managed to get back over the hoarding but the other chap (who I don’t know) was surrounded by stewards and escorted off. 
So basically, no stewards reacted for about 30 seconds whilst loads of fans were calling for them, but as soon as a fan hopped over the hoarding about 20 stewards reacted within a second. 
Very very poor stewarding. 
My friend actually feels really bad about it and has apologised on our group chat, but we’ve told him he did absolutely the right thing. 
I hope the other fan who got escorted off receives a very strong apology from the stewards, police and club. To cart a bloke off who is trying to bring attention to a medical emergency was ridiculous. 
They didn’t act for half a minute and when they did react they just assumed the worst and didn’t have a clue what was happening. Ridiculous. 
 

As far as I’m aware (but this is only second hand info), the person is ok, apparently had a fit, fell unconscious and bumped her head resulting in a nasty cut. 

[hinsleburg]

From where I was in the Lansdown it was clear something had happened as half the stand was waving. Looked like 0 urgency from any Stewards whatsoever so found it really odd.

I was told after that the game didn't stop because it wasn't deemed a life threatening emergency. Now how anybody can decide that without a Dr being there I don't know...

There did seem to be some fisticuffs after, was this one of the guys who went on the pitch? Was hard to tell from the other side.

Hope everybody involved makes a full recovery.

[Olé]

4 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

Linesman and police should be ashamed of themselves. Took far too long for the medics to arrive. Hope the bloke who got wrestled to the floor going on the pitch to stop play doesn’t get banned. 

A mate of his told me that he was allowed back in once the context was understood. Police behaviour with the handicams was utterly embarrassing and worthy of the sack. WTF is the point of taking a job to serve the public and deciding that at that point you should get some film of people trying to get help in an emergency. 

[One Team]

Sounds like some appalling stewarding today. As mentioned above, they are quick to pounce on pitch invaders (even those trying to do something positive) but not attend to a medical emergency? 

There had been a recent thread on what their actual purpose is; surely crowd safety must be the primary, if not only responsibility? 

Edited October 29, 2022 by One Team

[Olé]

37 minutes ago, Harry said:

So basically, no stewards reacted for about 30 seconds whilst loads of fans were calling for them, but as soon as a fan hopped over the hoarding about 20 stewards reacted within a second. 

Mate agree with 90% of this but the main steward who seemed to coordinate the emergency was literally shouting at the linesman to get the game stopped and from a distance arguing with him too. I'm not sure he could do much more. Other stewards just went into routine with the pitch invasion. A lad at the Spanish today knew the one you don't know and said he was let back in when they understood the context which makes it all the more ridiculous. The entire reaction was a disgrace.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

I hope the person in bed of assistance is ok. 

I thought the ref. had a ok game. Made few strange decisions particularly second half. And an improvement in the normal dross we see at the gate

[Mr Popodopolous]

Reading online and finding something else, was interested after a bit more research.

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/crowd-medical-emergencies/#:~:text=If a supporter becomes unwell,that appropriate care is provided.

Seems that back in the Spring, the automatic stoppage for medical emergencies on the crowd was quietly shelved or indeed modified.

Possibly we followed procedure as a club, debatable but possible. Not seen this statement before but was from late March.

I would therefore query, whether those shouting to the linesman etc were technically correct.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

Plus.

https://theathletic.com/3469735/2022/08/04/watford-medical-emergency-efl/

It could be the case that the law is an ass but a lot of people demanding the game was stopped, well I don't know how accurate that view was.

I suspect that this snippet would explain a few things..

I wonder of the Safety officer encouraged all to play on as the risk of a suspended game, highly charged atmosphere, goal recently etc outweighed or was perceived to outweigh that of swift treatment for the individual who had the medical emergency?

Edited November 14, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous