Could the unthinkable happen?

[Clutton Caveman]

I was scanning the league tables after the Stoke game and got a horrible feeling in my stomach.

Considering our current form, upcoming fixtures, very low chances of improving the squad in January it seems a relegation fight is almost inevitable.

At the same time looking at the league 1 stats the Gas Heads must be very optimistic. They are winning ugly and finding a way to accumulate points at an alarming rate.

If he didn't come with so much baggage I think Barton would have been offered a better job long ago. After the traditional slow start he seems to get a tune out of a bunch of no names.

The thought of passing each other has not been on the cards for years but just at the moment I cannot quite get the thought out of my head. I wonder what the odds are?

[BCFCGav]

It's certainly possible, and something me and some other City fans discussed Saturday, but it's nowhere near likely enough to worry about yet. I think we'll survive and they'll stay down, I'd be truly amazed to be wrong on both counts.

[mozo]

We only need to worry about relegation for now and I think a dogfight is really possible. 

The past week has been classic City catfishing. We comfortably win away to get our hopes up, then don't show up the following game and contrive to lose.

After beating West Brom in October we then went on a 5 game winless run (plus a pathetic cup exit). Can't afford to do that now or it'll get very concerning and inevitably toxic.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Ohh I thought you were going to say we could promoted, surprising how often a team at the bottom makes a run second half of the season

[ExiledAjax]

Mathematically it's possible.

Realistically it's incredibly improbable.

[Coxy27]

Best odds you can find;

Rovers promotion - 40/1

City relegation - 11/2

Combined odds therefore roughly 265/1 or 0.4%

But - these odds will have bookmakers margin built in which is probably a decent percentage off the true probability.

It's probably more like 1 in 4 to 5 hundred I'd say.

Very unlikely.

 

[Sir Geoff]

39 minutes ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I was scanning the league tables after the Stoke game and got a horrible feeling in my stomach.

Considering our current form, upcoming fixtures, very low chances of improving the squad in January it seems a relegation fight is almost inevitable.

At the same time looking at the league 1 stats the Gas Heads must be very optimistic. They are winning ugly and finding a way to accumulate points at an alarming rate.

If he didn't come with so much baggage I think Barton would have been offered a better job long ago. After the traditional slow start he seems to get a tune out of a bunch of no names.

The thought of passing each other has not been on the cards for years but just at the moment I cannot quite get the thought out of my head. I wonder what the odds are?

Current form isn't bad. Draw with Watford, away win at Rotherham.

In our next 6 fixtures we should be winning at least 2 of them. (1 win every 3 games on average will see us safe).

I think you may be surprised at the activity this January. Pretty sure there will be movement in and out.

 

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Current form isn't bad. Draw with Watford, away win at Rotherham.

In our next 6 fixtures we should be winning at least 2 of them. (1 win every 3 games on average will see us safe).

I think you may be surprised at the activity this January. Pretty sure there will be movement in and out.

 

I think so too. I think in previous windows we were constrained whilst we were waiting to see the covid add backs the EFL would allow. We now know where we stand with that so I believe we have a little bit of wriggle room. 

I believe there are by far 3 worse clubs in this league than us. 

[Sniper]

1 hour ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I was scanning the league tables after the Stoke game and got a horrible feeling in my stomach.

Considering our current form, upcoming fixtures, very low chances of improving the squad in January it seems a relegation fight is almost inevitable.

At the same time looking at the league 1 stats the Gas Heads must be very optimistic. They are winning ugly and finding a way to accumulate points at an alarming rate.

If he didn't come with so much baggage I think Barton would have been offered a better job long ago. After the traditional slow start he seems to get a tune out of a bunch of no names.

The thought of passing each other has not been on the cards for years but just at the moment I cannot quite get the thought out of my head. I wonder what the odds are?

You're not alone. I started thinking about this a few weeks back. Being in the same division as them would be extremely embarrassing on it's own, to swap, oh lordy, I think I'd move to the Shetlands Even though we are so hit and miss I think we'll stay up (just!) and with the top 3 in League 1 I can't see the SAGS worrying them, so it would have to be the Playoffs. I still think we need to have a word with their coaches and Joey though on how they manage to cheat their way to so many points with Penalties and getting opposition players Red Cards.

[DaveInSA]

1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Current form isn't bad. Draw with Watford, away win at Rotherham.

In our next 6 fixtures we should be winning at least 2 of them. (1 win every 3 games on average will see us safe).

I think you may be surprised at the activity this January. Pretty sure there will be movement in and out.

 

I wonder if the activity you speak of is what is destabilising the squad.

I understand why we have the transfer windows, to stop rich teams just buying players at the end of the season.

For me the windows are manufactured click bait nonsense for the media hype. 

It’s not like we’re a rich club or ever in the mix to win anything! So I say they should be abolished.

[Mr Popodopolous]

46 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think so too. I think in previous windows we were constrained whilst we were waiting to see the covid add backs the EFL would allow. We now know where we stand with that so I believe we have a little bit of wriggle room.

That's still open to argument btw, the EFL may or may not have permitted it but just recently, the CFRP have been appointed and will be reviewing submissions for all clubs. Unsure that it is quite so cut and dry as you suggest.

https://www.sportresolutions.com/news/view/efl-club-financial-review-panel-has-been-appointed

In theory could they even overrule or find fault with existing club and EFL agreements? Well they've only just been appointed so it feels like an open question.

Do you factor in this new body into your calculations?

Edited December 20, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous

[ExiledAjax]

1 hour ago, Coxy27 said:

Best odds you can find;

Rovers promotion - 40/1

City relegation - 11/2

Combined odds therefore roughly 265/1 or 0.4%

But - these odds will have bookmakers margin built in which is probably a decent percentage off the true probability.

It's probably more like 1 in 4 to 5 hundred I'd say.

Very unlikely.

Equally fivethirtyeight currently have:

Bristol City relegation chance: 14% (1 in 8 )

Bristol Rovers promotion chance: 4% (1 in 20)

0.14*0.04 = 0.0056. 0.0056*100 = a 0.56% chance, or 1 in 180.

I won't lose sleep over it.

Edited December 20, 2022 by ExiledAjax

[Numero Uno]

2 hours ago, Clutton Caveman said:

I was scanning the league tables after the Stoke game and got a horrible feeling in my stomach.

Considering our current form, upcoming fixtures, very low chances of improving the squad in January it seems a relegation fight is almost inevitable.

At the same time looking at the league 1 stats the Gas Heads must be very optimistic. They are winning ugly and finding a way to accumulate points at an alarming rate.

If he didn't come with so much baggage I think Barton would have been offered a better job long ago. After the traditional slow start he seems to get a tune out of a bunch of no names.

The thought of passing each other has not been on the cards for years but just at the moment I cannot quite get the thought out of my head. I wonder what the odds are?

Performances like Saturday against a very poor side don’t help but then again we’re likely to put in a good performance and/or get a result when everyone is starting to panic. We are ridiculously inconsistent in a different way to the LJ era when it was 12 unbeaten followed by 12 without a win!!

On the plus side we do score goals, our one element of consistency, Semenyo will wake up to get his move imo and I also expect Scott to move on a level and add more end product to his game in the next few months. We look better with Max in goal despite his poor shout on Saturday so no worries there. The twenty minutes we did turn up on Saturday showed that we have more in our locker than teams like Stoke and that ought to be worth a few points over 23 matches.

Overall we should be ok albeit you just can’t see us doing it comfortably right now………unless we can move a few on in January and get in a Centre Half worthy of the name in which case we win that game 1-0 on Saturday.

[GrahamC]

We are currently on track after 23 games with exactly the same number of points as last season to reach 54 points, last season we actually managed 55.

There isn’t a chance in a million that you get relegated with that total.

Our “current form”, so last 3 W1 D1 L1 or our last 10, W3 D3 L4, is by no means relegation form, either.

Rovers are on an excellent run but are still 12 points adrift of the top three, then in 4th Barnsley are 5 points ahead & have 2 games in hand, Bolton are 4 points ahead & have a game in hand, Derby 3 ahead & a game in hand, then Portsmouth are 2 points behind them but have played 3 games fewer, making reaching the top six when all of these sides are bigger than them, seem tricky to me.

This isn’t like beating some non league teams youth side 7-0, these sides have decent budgets, far better grounds & support.

Edited December 20, 2022 by GrahamC

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

15 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

We are currently on track after 23 games with exactly the same number of points as last season to reach 54 points, last season we actually managed 55.

There isn’t a chance in a million that you get relegated with that total.

Our “current form”, so last 3 W1 D1 L1 or our last 10, W3 D3 L4, is by no means relegation form, either.

Rovers are on an excellent run but are still 12 points adrift of the top three, then in 4th Barnsley are 5 points ahead & have 2 games in hand, Bolton are 4 points ahead & have a game in hand, Derby 3 ahead & a game in hand, then Portsmouth are 2 points behind them but have played 3 games fewer, making reaching the top six when all of these sides are bigger than them, seem tricky to me.

This isn’t like beating some non league teams youth side 7-0, these sides have decent budgets, far better grounds & support.

Peterborough went down with 54 points in 2012-13.

[GrahamC]

7 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Peterborough went down with 54 points in 2012-13.

Yes, they did, but I can find no other occurrence of this happening since we went to a 24 team division.

This season Huddersfield currently have 19 points, so they would effectively need to win half of their remaining games to reach that figure (they have won 5 so far), Wigan would need to get 30 more points in half a season, so would Blackpool. Rotherham (below us) have only picked up 5 points from the last 27 that were available to them.

It isn’t happening.

[marmite]

It's unlikely but this could be our last "gap" year. 

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, Sniper said:

You're not alone. I started thinking about this a few weeks back. Being in the same division as them would be extremely embarrassing on it's own, to swap, oh lordy, I think I'd move to the Shetlands Even though we are so hit and miss I think we'll stay up (just!) and with the top 3 in League 1 I can't see the SAGS worrying them, so it would have to be the Playoffs. I still think we need to have a word with their coaches and Joey though on how they manage to cheat their way to so many points with Penalties and getting opposition players Red Cards.

Wouldn't bother me at all to be playing them in the Championship - 

But not in league one!

In the unlikely event of them getting up -

They would literally be out of their league & it would be a delight to watch them wriggle..

[Bazooka Joe]

Some weeks ago this scenario would have been probably about as likely as Saudi Arabia beating Argentina in a World Cup game.

 

 

[Calculus]

We are 3 points away from 23rd, so of course it can happen.

Defense a mess, centre halves injured or out of favour, young players possibly going in January, financial position near to points deduction, leadership in the board room gone to pot.

Of course it can happen.

Edited December 20, 2022 by Calculus

[Guest]

2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think so too. I think in previous windows we were constrained whilst we were waiting to see the covid add backs the EFL would allow. We now know where we stand with that so I believe we have a little bit of wriggle room. 

I believe there are by far 3 worse clubs in this league than us. 

Would be good to be safe before end of April.....well the begining really ......as we finish that month having to play 3 of the current top 4 teams and Rotherham who may want the points also.

Dont believe the transfer window will make much difference myself and these 3 worse clubs? Rotherham/Wigan/Huddersfield? we are certainly putting ourselves in the mix if we dont stop the silly mistakes and wake the hell up soon.

[sglosbcfc]

Anything is possible, but you just know that the beauty of the Championship is that City will probably spank WBA on boxing day and then the talk will disappear....for a while anyway.

[And Its Smith]

23 minutes ago, Calculus said:

We are 3 points away from 23rd, so of course it can happen.

Defense a mess, centre halves injured or out of favour, young players possibly going in January, financial position near to points deduction, leadership in the board room gone to pot.

Of course it can happen.

The OP is saying can we go down and Rovers go up which is an obvious no 

[Redrascal2]

Well I think it is quite possible we could go down. Nothing has changed since we gifted goals away at the start of the season. We cannot keep relying on 3 teams worse than us to bail us out.

[Super]

17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

The OP is saying can we go down and Rovers go up which is an obvious no 

Hardly an obvious no.

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

We are currently on track after 23 games with exactly the same number of points as last season to reach 54 points, last season we actually managed 55.

But last season we improved after xmas by tightening up at the back - including picking 3 tall, no-nonsense CBs - Semenyo hitting an excellent streak of form - motivated, playing well and scoring goals - as was Weimann and Martin's link and hold up play knitted the whole thing into a potent strike force. 

That's how we clambered to safety.

This season we have the opposite of no-nonsense CBs - Semenyo appears disinterested or out of form (take your pick), Weimann isn't scoring (for reasons not entirely his fault) and Martin seems to have gone over the hill.

So I'm not sure how we replicate last season's improvement. Basically we need a miracle - either in the transfer market or in players' form/attitude/fitness. Imo. Glass half empty as usual.

Merry xmas! 

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels

[Alex_BCFC]

We do still have Hull, Wigan , Blackpool and Rotherham to play at home. We are very inconsistent but you’d hope that our lack of luck (deserved to beat Watford and Sheff U for example) and lack of penalties might start to even itself out at some point.

It’s not impossible of course but I think we can get to the 50 points. Currently 49 would be enough based on 22nd’s points. It’s a tight league - probably closest it’s been in years. Only Burnley I’ve felt have looked good or miles better than us etc. 

[Calculus]

13 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

The OP is saying can we go down and Rovers go up which is an obvious no 

Fair enough he did. Wasn't thinking about the Rovers bit as I couldn't care less what they do (even though they still live in many peoples' heads on here for some odd reason).

Now you remind me, yes its possible if unlikely. We can obviously go down given where we are. They could sneak into the last playoff spot and get lucky. 

 

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, Super said:

Hardly an obvious no.

This season it is. As someone above says it’s hundreds to one.  We might go down but there’s no way they will go up 

[Super]

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

This season it is. As someone above says it’s hundreds to one.  We might go down but there’s no way they will go up 

Not even halfway through the season and they are 3 points off the playoffs.

[GrahamC]

1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

But last season we improved after xmas by tightening up at the back - including picking 3 tall, no-nonsense CBs - Semenyo hitting an excellent streak of form - motivated, playing well and scoring goals - as was Weimann, with Martin's linking and hold up play knitting the whole thing into a potent strike force. 

That's how we clambered to safety.

This season we have the opposite of no-nonsense CBs, Semenyo appears disinterested or out of form (take your pick), Weimann isn't scoring (for reasons not entirely his fault) and Martin seems to have gone over the hill.

So I'm not sure how we replicate last season's improvement. Basically we need a miracle - either in the transfer market or in players' form/attitude/fitness. Imo. Glass half empty as usual.

Merry xmas! 

 

You too, we never did sort out that drink!

I think we have already tightened up relatively, in the last 10 league games we have conceded 10, even with my basic maths that suggests a goal a game, the sort of ratio that gives us a chance, though for balance we have only scored 9 in those 10 games & 3 of those were at Rotherham..

I’m more pessimistic than a few weeks ago but saw Wigan last night (poor), & as I have said elsewhere think with Huddersfield (who would have to pull back 8 points on us & have a much worse goal difference), Blackpool, Cardiff, Hull, & Rotherham (on a terrible run) too, we should be able to finish above 3 of these.

Expect next month to be busier than last January when we signed a free agent (Klose) a couple of days before the window closed & loaned out some kids.

[And Its Smith]

10 minutes ago, Super said:

Not even halfway through the season and they are 3 points off the playoffs.

Guessing you haven’t seen them play. A few lucky wins means nothing long term. Guess we will see. Happy to hold my hands up if they make the play offs

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

You too, we never did sort out that drink!

I think we have already tightened up relatively, in the last 10 league games we have conceded 10, even with my basic maths that suggests a goal a game, the sort of ratio that gives us a chance, though for balance we have only scored 9 in those 10 games & 3 of those were at Rotherham..

I’m more pessimistic than a few weeks ago but saw Wigan last night (poor), & as I have said elsewhere think with Huddersfield (who would have to pull back 8 points on us & have a much worse goal difference), Blackpool, Cardiff, Hull, & Rotherham (on a terrible run) too, we should be able to finish above 3 of these.

Expect next month to be busier than last January when we signed a free agent (Klose) a couple of days before the window closed & loaned out some kids.

I think you sum up why we don’t think we will go down, and that’s because of others.  That’s not me being negative and thank our lucky stars, just that we are likely to fill one of the positions outside of the bottom three.

I look at the bottom half and first think we will finish above Huddersfield, Wigan, Blackpool, Hull and Rotherham.  Maybe one of them might put together a decent second half of the season, but I expect there’ll be a team or two who might fall off a Cliff too.  I don’t think that will be us either.  I’d like us to finish better than 19th though.

[pongo88]

5 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said:

Ohh I thought you were going to say we could promoted, surprising how often a team at the bottom makes a run second half of the season

This isn’t impossible. City are only 7 points away from the playoffs. I’m not saying it will happen, but the year City lost to Hull in the playoffs, Hull were pretty low in the league at this stage of the season. In another example, Gary Johnson took Yeovil from the depths of League 1 with a late run to the playoffs, and subsequent promotion.  I’m sure @Robbored was at Wembley to witness this. 

[1960maaan]

33 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

This isn’t impossible. City are only 7 points away from the playoffs. I’m not saying it will happen, but the year City lost to Hull in the playoffs, Hull were pretty low in the league at this stage of the season. In another example, Gary Johnson took Yeovil from the depths of League 1 with a late run to the playoffs, and subsequent promotion.  I’m sure @Robbored was at Wembley to witness this. 

Not true pongo, as these two shots show. Pretty sure we were up there all year and only dropped off later on.

 

Now Forest last year were 16th around this time last year, and on fewer points than we are.
I still honestly believe we could go on a run, at times we look good enough to sneak top ten. Of course that would mean cutting out a large percentage of the stupid errors that have cost. Also a little more luck and a few Pens would come in handy. 
Not totally out of the question yet.

[Dr Balls]

44 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Not true pongo, as these two shots show. Pretty sure we were up there all year and only dropped off later on.

 

Now Forest last year were 16th around this time last year, and on fewer points than we are.
I still honestly believe we could go on a run, at times we look good enough to sneak top ten. Of course that would mean cutting out a large percentage of the stupid errors that have cost. Also a little more luck and a few Pens would come in handy. 
Not totally out of the question yet.

We could go on a good run, but I see no evidence of that right now. The defence has to get better and we need to rediscover our goal scoring touch. Playing players like Weimann out of position doesn’t help our chances either. Bad luck and individual bad decisions have cost us a lot of points already this season, but there is no reason why that should change either. Kalas returning to the back line might help improve things. It would certainly be better than Andy ******* King at centre back!

[pongo88]

51 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Not true pongo, as these two shots show. Pretty sure we were up there all year and only dropped off later on.

 

Now Forest last year were 16th around this time last year, and on fewer points than we are.
I still honestly believe we could go on a run, at times we look good enough to sneak top ten. Of course that would mean cutting out a large percentage of the stupid errors that have cost. Also a little more luck and a few Pens would come in handy. 
Not totally out of the question yet.

You’re quoting something I didn’t say. I made no mention of City’s position. I said Hull were low in the league in the first half of the season and then went on a good run to get into the playoffs. 

[1960maaan]

11 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

We could go on a good run, but I see no evidence of that right now. The defence has to get better and we need to rediscover our goal scoring touch. Playing players like Weimann out of position doesn’t help our chances either. Bad luck and individual bad decisions have cost us a lot of points already this season, but there is no reason why that should change either. Kalas returning to the back line might help improve things. It would certainly be better than Andy ******* King at centre back!

I'm with you there.

I do think we have played better than the results we've got recently. Should possibly have beaten Sheff U & Stoke, with a decent slice of luck might have beaten Watford. That said it's going to be hard getting any run together while constantly shooting ourselves in the foot so regularly.

6 minutes ago, pongo88 said:

You’re quoting something I didn’t say. I made no mention of City’s position. I said Hull were low in the league in the first half of the season and then went on a good run to get into the playoffs. 

Sorry read it too quickly obviously .

Just checked and today in 2007 they were 13th , interestingly 2 Playoff teams are around the same place in the table.

Edited December 20, 2022 by 1960maaan

[Robbored]

2 hours ago, pongo88 said:

This isn’t impossible. City are only 7 points away from the playoffs. I’m not saying it will happen, but the year City lost to Hull in the playoffs, Hull were pretty low in the league at this stage of the season. In another example, Gary Johnson took Yeovil from the depths of League 1 with a late run to the playoffs, and subsequent promotion.  I’m sure @Robbored was at Wembley to witness this. 

I was and never witnessed a City shot on target. I was feeling optimistic after the two cracking performances against Palace.

I should have known…………

[Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan]

It’s not “unthinkable” is it?

It can happen any season that we are only one division apart and this threads like this appear every time we find ourselves in a dodgy position.

The fact that footballing giants like Yeovil, Stevenage, Torquay, Fleetwood, Burton, Crawley, Scunthorpe, Hartlepool, Rochdale and Shrewsbury have all been above us in the League (a whole division in Yeovil’s case) since the last time Rovers were should be a huge source of embarrassment for the blue few. The excuse of Lansdowns billions didn’t prevent Colchester looking down on us in the table…

Sooner or later they will find themselves above us as many teams have done, probably due to our own failings. Will they stay there for 22 years?

Will they ****.

 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan

[Henry]

I’m not worried about relegation. Pearson seems to manage to get a win every few games and rarely goes on losing streaks.

Id worry a bit if we had Conway, Scott and Wells injured at the same time

[Wrongagain]

Referring and stupid line decisions have cost us at least 9 points since season start - if that continues into the new year we’re in the shit if we have to rely on the average points we actually win.

[cidercity1987]

Hahaha no chance

I'm not THAT worried about relegation but there is no way Rovers are getting promoted, they'll get their usual nosebleed when they get a sniff of success in that division 

[Topper 123]

I don’t give them bluenoses much of my time and see them for what they are a middle div3 side ,as we are no more a mid table div 2 side (that’s old money) 

its 23 games in , half way point and we’ve amassed 27 points and everyone is moaning about a crap season , well if the second half is equally shit and we get the same return that will give us 54 points which is easily safe so I’m pretty confident we have nothing to worry about only the arrogance of a very pompous manager

[Red_Alligator]

We'll survive and they won't be going anywhere. That shall be the order of things.

[tin]

I couldn’t give a toss about the blue few, but every dog eventually has their day and there is a chance they might go above us very briefly before we go above them for another two decades. 

Regarding relegation, I don’t think it’s likely right now. There are worse teams and Nige does have form for getting a result, usually when the pressure’s off. I do think we’d be in the shit if he left right now, though, and for context I’m not happy with Atkinson’s treatment. 

But then again I think it’s a minor miracle he’s rebuilding us while we’re at this level. Every other time we’ve undergone a rebuild it’s been in the third tier. 

[Wanderingred]

Worried about relegation…. Yes for sure.

Worried about that shower coming up? Not a chance. 

[bpexile]

Have to admit I am more concerned than I thought I would be. Hopefully our inconsistency will work in our favour & we'll pick up unexpected points but I am quite concerned about Nige openly nameing & shaming players, that cannot be a positive for moral. 

[weepywall]

155/1 with Paddypower for this senario.

[Super]

2 hours ago, weepywall said:

155/1 with Paddypower for this senario.

About the same odds as us getting a penalty before the end of the season.

[cidercity1987]

Derby in 6th are on for 74 points

Rovers would need 1.83 points per game to make the play offs if so

Not gonna happen

[Son of Fred]

12 hours ago, Magger1 said:

I don’t give them bluenoses much of my time and see them for what they are a middle div3 side ,as we are no more a mid table div 2 side (that’s old money) 

its 23 games in , half way point and we’ve amassed 27 points and everyone is moaning about a crap season , well if the second half is equally shit and we get the same return that will give us 54 points which is easily safe so I’m pretty confident we have nothing to worry about only the arrogance of a very pompous manager

Every chance someone will go down with 50+ points this season..

[And Its Smith]

1 hour ago, Son of Fred said:

Every chance someone will go down with 50+ points this season..

Agreed. Currently I’d say 53 would be safe.  Anything under 52 is squeaky bum time.  I just want to see a positive goal difference. This is from memory but I think we have only posted a positive GD once in about last 10 seasons. 

[freezer]

5 hours ago, weepywall said:

155/1 with Paddypower for this senario.

I've got 220/1 with Skybet. I like an outside bet. 

Please don't let it happen. I'd be happy to lose my bet but the payout is a bonus. 

I did win a decent amount on their last day flukey promotion. 

Its a funny ol game football. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

Every chance someone will go down with 50+ points this season..

Definitely a possibility, but nor would it surprise me if at least 3 teams end up in the 40s either.  Huddersfield obviously the least likely to get 50, need 31 points, the other two need 26.

Nobody should be resting on their laurels at AG, though.

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Definitely a possibility, but nor would it surprise me if at least 3 teams end up in the 40s either.  Huddersfield obviously the least likely to get 50, need 31 points, the other two need 26.

Nobody should be resting on their laurels at AG, though.

Long way still to go but our superior goal difference is currently worth an extra point too.

[robofwells]

To be honest I thought Barton would do a good job at Rovers (they are a good fit both scummy). But his record at Fleetwood was good.

As for the thought of us going down and them up not impossible but not likely I think we will stay up just and Rovers will fail in the play offs.

Lets wait and see.

[Mihai]

It is exactly what I wanted to ask. If we do a pool Im wondering how will we vote.

I am afraid of this second half of the season. If they don't improve the team is all about morale because we are close... very close. 

[GrahamC]

22 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Definitely a possibility, but nor would it surprise me if at least 3 teams end up in the 40s either.  Huddersfield obviously the least likely to get 50, need 31 points, the other two need 26.

Nobody should be resting on their laurels at AG, though.

Me neither.

At the risk of repeating my earlier post;

Huddersfield have 19 points from 22 games, so to get more than 50 now would take some effort from here.

Wigan & Blackpool are averaging a point a game so would also both need to improve a fair bit.

Rotherham are on a very poor run, 5 points in their last 9 games, Cardiff have lost 6 of their last 10, winning just 2. In contrast we might think we’re in a poor spell but still have picked up 12 points from our last 10 games.

3 of these other sides would need to significantly improve in order to finish with more than 50 or so points.

[elhombrecito]

On 20/12/2022 at 20:15, Robbored said:

I was and never witnessed a City shot on target. I was feeling optimistic after the two cracking performances against Palace.

I should have known…………

You very much remind me of Donald Trump. Keep spouting the same nonsense over and over again, even when others provide definitive proof that you're wrong.

For clarity:

[GrahamC]

8 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

You very much remind me of Donald Trump. Keep spouting the same nonsense over and over again, even when others provide definitive proof that you're wrong.

For clarity:

Yes, but apart from having more shots both on & off target, more possession, more corners, a huge territorial advantage, winning more tackles & a greater accuracy of passing, how does any of that count when compared to some conspiracy theory fantasist who wants to keep repeatedly lying based on what he claims to remember?

Boring but we simply lost a very tight game to a wonder goal whilst one of our key defenders was incapacitated by a freak injury.

It was a spin of the coin that unfortunately came down against us, nothing more.

[ExiledAjax]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Cardiff have lost 6 of their last 10, winning just 2.

And as they've not paid the Sala money (as ordered to by CAS) they will be under a transfer embargo in January. I believe they are appealing to the Swiss Federal Court, but until that is settled FIFA will not allow them to register new players.

[Calculus]

41 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yes, but apart from having more shots both on & off target, more possession, more corners, a huge territorial advantage, winning more tackles & a greater accuracy of passing, how does any of that count when compared to some conspiracy theory fantasist who wants to keep repeatedly lying based on what he claims to remember?

Boring but we simply lost a very tight game to a wonder goal whilst one of our key defenders was incapacitated by a freak injury.

It was a spin of the coin that unfortunately came down against us, nothing more.

If my memory serves we also lost McCombe not long before the game, which I think made a difference. All in all thought we were slightly the better side and were unlucky to lose.

[GrahamC]

9 minutes ago, Calculus said:

If my memory serves we also lost McCombe not long before the game, which I think made a difference. All in all thought we were slightly the better side and were unlucky to lose.

He was ill overnight, so Fontaine came in, a very good player back then but not remotely a like for like replacement. By the half hour mark we had in effect lost 2 first choice defenders.

People make up all sorts of nonsense over the midsts of time but your recollection is spot on, a tight game that we were on the wrong side of, but were marginally the better side.

Edited December 22, 2022 by GrahamC

[Robbored]

Stats are in the eye of the beholder and I don’t recall seeing a their ‘keeper make a save all game but according to the stats City had four shots on target. That’s complete nonsense………….

No surprise that the pundits and the media described that play off final as the most dreary one they’d ever seen.

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Stats are in the eye of the beholder and I don’t recall seeing a their ‘keeper make a save all game but according to the stats City had four shots on target. That’s complete nonsense………….

No surprise that the pundits and the media described that play off final as the most dreary one they’d ever seen.

It was City who had 4 shots on target, but Hull City. We had 6, you appear to be struggling to read?

The most dreary playoff final of all time must surely have been Bristol City 0 Brighton 1, with the only goal (& probable shot) coming from a late Leon Knight penalty.

That was one game I’d be very confident that we didn’t have a single shot on target, I would imagine that referrals to Dignitas must have rocketed after that snooze fest, who was in charge of us then?

[TDarwall]

The defeat to Brighton ranks with "that" Twerton defeat in my all time lows following City. It was as if the players were unaware it was such a big game. The game v Hull saw very few clear cut chances but we were at least equal, if not the better side.  We started really well & Carle & big Dele had half chances but then Brad got crocked & Windass scored a screamer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PhilC]

46 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Stats are in the eye of the beholder and I don’t recall seeing a their ‘keeper make a save all game but according to the stats City had four shots on target. That’s complete nonsense………….

No surprise that the pundits and the media described that play off final as the most dreary one they’d ever seen.

Here you go: 

 

 

Keeper makes a save 4 minutes and 20 seconds in to the game.

 

You're welcome

Edited December 22, 2022 by PhilC

[elhombrecito]

45 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Stats are in the eye of the beholder and I don’t recall seeing a their ‘keeper make a save all game but according to the stats City had four shots on target. That’s complete nonsense………….

No surprise that the pundits and the media described that play off final as the most dreary one they’d ever seen.**

No, stats are fact, not subjective.

**Citation needed.

[PhilC]

10 minutes ago, PhilC said:

Here you go: 

 

 

Keeper makes a save 4 minutes and 20 seconds in to the game.

 

You're welcome

Bugger... just realised posting that link deserves a ban. Mods please forgive me, it is Christmas after all...