BilboBaggins05 Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 How is he a premier league and Europa league referee ????? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Probably because like 99% of refs hes completely inept therefore he doesnt stand out as any worse than the rest. No pens for nearly 500 days and we couldve had 4 today. Yet cant even get 1. Terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Joins a long list of refs not to award us a pen. That said, i don't think we had anything stonewall today. Apart from that he seemed to do ok for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Worst of all the bad Prem Refs we've had. Foul after foul given, but it took until about the 75th minute for him to book one of theirs. Managed to book one of theirs for something in the their area, but give them a free kick. Stopped play, I think we may have had the ball, for a Swansea player with a bad back. Trainer comes on and gives him treatment but for some reason he didn't have to leave the pitch. I won't mention the Penalty shouts as I've given up. ******* unless. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gazred said: Joins a long list of refs not to award us a pen. That said, i don't think we had anything stonewall today. Apart from that he seemed to do ok for me. Even taken the red tinted specs off, the ones on Semenyo and Atkinson first half are absolutely penalties 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Gazred said: Joins a long list of refs not to award us a pen. That said, i don't think we had anything stonewall today. Apart from that he seemed to do ok for me. Apart from when Semenyo & Atkinson were both tripped first half, presumably? Watch the highlights, both are stonewall penalties. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Do they bother now they have VAR? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, petehinton said: Even taken the red tinted specs off, the ones on Semenyo and Atkinson first half are absolutely penalties Semenyo looked a pen. Couldn't really make out the Atkinson one even on replay. VAR might well give both if available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Gazred said: Semenyo looked a pen. Couldn't really make out the Atkinson one even on replay. VAR might well give both if available. Unless we play at Old Trafford or Anfield? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normanhillred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, petehinton said: Even taken the red tinted specs off, the ones on Semenyo and Atkinson first half are absolutely penalties I am 55 and have been watching City since 1975. Genuinely feel I have seen us take our last penalty 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Worst of all the bad Prem Refs we've had. Foul after foul given, but it took until about the 75th minute for him to book one of theirs. Managed to book one of theirs for something in the their area, but give them a free kick. Stopped play, I think we may have had the ball, for a Swansea player with a bad back. Trainer comes on and gives him treatment but for some reason he didn't have to leave the pitch. I won't mention the Penalty shouts as I've given up. ******* unless. Agree he waited far too long to get a card out. It was clear from the start that part of their game plan was to simply stop Conway and Scott by whatever means necessary. The trainer incident and not leaving the field was interesting: pretty sure that something similar happened at Coventry. Second half when a Swansea player needed attention he was made to leave the field. I assume refs have some sort of discretion, but no idea what the criteria are meant to be. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Midred said: Do they bother now they have VAR? That is the problem. They know if they miss something they have cover, it gives them an easy out. Of course back in the real World of the EFL a non decision impacts massively, just as much as a wrong one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, petehinton said: Even taken the red tinted specs off, the ones on Semenyo and Atkinson first half are absolutely penalties Yep, and I’ve seen reds given for incidents like one involving Wood on Scott. Abysmal. Edited January 8, 2023 by tin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidal Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Despite what some posters say on here, he completely bottled the Scott decision. He didn’t give for a foul only Scott until after the head but on him. We know this because he didn’t play advantage when Swansea broke, nor he did he allow play to carry on before issuing the yellow card. He then somehow made the decision to give the foul on Scott and book their player - he bottled it. should’ve been 3 penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, italian dave said: Agree he waited far too long to get a card out. It was clear from the start that part of their game plan was to simply stop Conway and Scott by whatever means necessary. The trainer incident and not leaving the field was interesting: pretty sure that something similar happened at Coventry. Second half when a Swansea player needed attention he was made to leave the field. I assume refs have some sort of discretion, but no idea what the criteria are meant to be. As far as I know there is no desertion , you get treatment and you have to leave the field. Otherwise it is open to even more accusations of cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: As far as I know there is no desertion , you get treatment and you have to leave the field. Otherwise it is open to even more accusations of cheating. That’s what I thought. Odd that it’s happened twice this year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just waiting on @GrahamC approval of this thread… as usual 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Watch the bbc highlights, three clear as day penalties. Agree the wood challenge is borderline violent conduct but probably just about a yellow. Scandalous refereeing, the Atkinson one was shocking not to be given. It also missed the one where Scott was 2 handed thrown to the ground and also one where the defender was playing american football with wells on the edge of the area which would have been soft but still a foul. I think we were fouled 5 times at least in the box today, 2 for me were stonewallers. The Scott one has a slight argument for Scott having a nibble but I think they were both at it before he struck out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, italian dave said: That’s what I thought. Odd that it’s happened twice this year! It's obviously a City thing, along with not getting Penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Midred said: Do they bother now they have VAR? Thought that yesterday. Linesman for Wednesday’s first goal was nowhere near up with play , lazy & he was offside . Ho we never got a penalty I’ll never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Apart from when Semenyo & Atkinson were both tripped first half, presumably? Watch the highlights, both are stonewall penalties. Yep. The Atkinson one I’ve not really seen a clear replay of, but it certainly looked as if he was swiped. Probably gets given in the centre circle. The one on Semenyo was a definite penalty. Pawson gestured as if the defender had got the ball, but he didn’t. He went to ground, made contact and the ball went away because it hit Semenyo’s leg on the way down. The one involving Scott was odd. Seemed there was a penalty shout about 10 seconds prior with the melee in the box and then when it got cleared the ref wasn’t giving anything. Maybe he was playing an advantage but it wasn’t really clear and it wasn’t much of an advantage anyway, as they were on the edge of their own box! Ref only blew the whistle after the Swansea player had attempted to headbutt Scott. So if that was the offence he was blowing for (and for which the player was booked) then why is that not a penalty? If he’s played the advantage then the Swansea foul is surely in the next phase of play? Surely he should only call back an advantage if the player didn’t gain an advantage? Which wasn’t the case Edited January 8, 2023 by Harry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Watch the BBC highlights. I thought it was a comedy. Which then became a tragedy. I love Bristol City FC. Referees. Not so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 49 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: As far as I know there is no desertion , you get treatment and you have to leave the field. Otherwise it is open to even more accusations of cheating. Rules were changed a few years back - if the injured player was fouled and the offender is cautioned (yellow / red) then the injured player does not need to go off the pitch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Rules were changed a few years back - if the injured player was fouled and the offender is cautioned (yellow / red) then the injured player does not need to go off the pitch. I didn't know that, but I didn't think a foul was given let alone a card, as the ball was cleared and both teams played on. So I was wrong in my assumption, and the Ref was just plain wrong . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, Harry said: Yep. The Atkinson one I’ve not really seen a clear replay of, but it certainly looked as if he was swiped. Probably gets given in the centre circle. The one on Semenyo was a definite penalty. Pawson gestured as if the defender had got the ball, but he didn’t. He went to ground, made contact and the ball went away because it hit Semenyo’s leg on the way down. The one involving Scott was odd. Seemed there was a penalty shout about 10 seconds prior with the melee in the box and then when it got cleared the ref wasn’t giving anything. Maybe he was playing an advantage but it wasn’t really clear and it wasn’t much of an advantage anyway, as they were on the edge of their own box! Ref only blew the whistle after the Swansea player had attempted to headbutt Scott. So if that was the offence he was blowing for (and for which the player was booked) then why is that not a penalty? If he’s played the advantage then the Swansea foul is surely in the next phase of play? Surely he should only call back an advantage if the player didn’t gain an advantage? Which wasn’t the case Two incidents summed up how Referees go about their days work when Reffing us. The one above, where the injured player doesn't have to leave the pitch and the one where their player gets booked and gets a free kick. I'd love to see the assessors report and the refs reply, another letter incoming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Two incidents summed up how Referees go about their days work when Reffing us. The one above, where the injured player doesn't have to leave the pitch and the one where their player gets booked and gets a free kick. I'd love to see the assessors report and the refs reply, another letter incoming Trouble is that no apology ever changes the match result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Does anyone have an updated graphic of the penalties awarded? Remember it being pretty damning 6 months ago so, can’t imagine what it’s like now Id love to see a compilation of our potential penalty decisions in the same period for context (any keen analysts?!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Agree he waited far too long to get a card out. It was clear from the start that part of their game plan was to simply stop Conway and Scott by whatever means necessary. The trainer incident and not leaving the field was interesting: pretty sure that something similar happened at Coventry. Second half when a Swansea player needed attention he was made to leave the field. I assume refs have some sort of discretion, but no idea what the criteria are meant to be. If you’re referring to their player not leaving the field when being treated by the trainer - that’s because a Yellow card was shown for the tackle and under those situations the player doesn’t have to leave the field. Them’s the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Rules were changed a few years back - if the injured player was fouled and the offender is cautioned (yellow / red) then the injured player does not need to go off the pitch. I thought that was the rule but I rarely, if ever, see a player not having to leave the pitch after an opposition player is cautioned and they've received treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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