Warnock wishes he could have managed us

[Davefevs]

27 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said:

I think it means that it's very difficult to actually come down on one side or another against NP. On one hand, we have a team which has demonstrated (the home wins run at the start of the season being a case in point) that they can play well, and get results.

Then on the other hand, when we have moved away from that first couple of months of the season, that real same nucleus of players haven't performed to anywhere near those same levels. NP must be frustrated as anyone to watch a squad that is quite evidently capable of winning games in this division (how many other managers have expressed surprise that we are where we are in the division), but ultimately have only won 3 in 20.

It's almost the belief that kills @Davefevs. You believe that the team has the potential to win each and every game, but for whatever reason hasn't done so at home for 4 months, and as I say only the 3 wins in 20. It's not like 12-13 season, where there was more hope than actually belief we could win. In that way, does it feel like a relegation season, no it doesn't.  But results don't lie, and we have to start winning soon, and stop relying on other teams results.

Every game so far this season (Even the Burnley, or Norwich ones) I would say on the podcast, that there are no free passes for the weekend, and on our day, if we turn up, and play to our potential we can match anyone. The fact of the matter is at the moment the wins just aren't coming. Fingers crossed for the weekend.

Another good post.

It’s hard at the mo’ isn’t it?  OTIB I mean, not City

Seriously though, it’s really frustrating, but I don’t got to any game thinking “3 points today”.  We are a team where 8+ players need to have good games to give us a chance of winning.  I still look forward to going though.

[E.J.Thribb]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Another good post.

It’s hard at the mo’ isn’t it?  OTIB I mean, not City

Seriously though, it’s really frustrating, but I don’t got to any game thinking “3 points today”.  We are a team where 8+ players need to have good games to give us a chance of winning.  I still look forward to going though.

The morning of the match, the walk to the ground, grabbing a cuppa, and enjoying the build up still gets me even now. Even when the team’s on a poor run, that pre-match buzz is always a joy. 
 

The 90 minutes spoils it but I’m back again a week later. Suppose that’s what makes football so great-it’s that the highs are fleeting, but when they come God do they feel good.

[Davefevs]

37 minutes ago, Basil Fawlty said:

The morning of the match, the walk to the ground, grabbing a cuppa, and enjoying the build up still gets me even now. Even when the team’s on a poor run, that pre-match buzz is always a joy. 
 

The 90 minutes spoils it but I’m back again a week later. Suppose that’s what makes football so great-it’s that the highs are fleeting, but when they come God do they feel good.

Funnily enough when injuries got the better of my own playing it was all the pre-match stuff that I missed rather than the playing itself.

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

He had to throw a few hand grenades of course.

I wonder whether after all of those NP's "If there not on the bus, I will get rid of them" mantras over the last two years, He finally realised that he couldn't get rid of them, and was stuck with them.

With that in mind, losing his proverbial with them wasn't going to work, as with a lot of players nowadays, shouting, threatening and balling at them won't motivate them.

I've been surprised how few of the senior players have actually gone out on loan. Getting rid of Palmer was a masterstroke, but unfortunately we just haven't been able to shift some of the other players off the payroll.

 

The theory with GJ of course was that he “couldn’t handle big name players” but if the result of that is building a ridiculously hard working team without “stars” that reaches the playoff final I think 99% of our supporters would take that.

Palmer aside we have effectively had to wait for contracts to expire to move senior players on, which probably means two things, the salaries are absolutely nothing like in the GJ era (even when allowing for inflation) & more obviously, the game has changed significantly since 2008.

GJ’s famous quote of some of them liking being footballers rather than playing football rings even more true than when he actually said it.

[ExiledAjax]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Another good post.

It’s hard at the mo’ isn’t it?  OTIB I mean, not City

Seriously though, it’s really frustrating, but I don’t got to any game thinking “3 points today”.  We are a team where 8+ players need to have good games to give us a chance of winning.  I still look forward to going though.

Tell you what though Fevs, and anyone else reading this: the prospective buyout and demonstration threads have been excellent today. Lots of adult discussion, excellent questions from genuinely interested people, and decent answers. I've found today quite an uplifting one on here!

[Davefevs]

You are right.

[frenchred]

1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Tell you what though Fevs, and anyone else reading this: the prospective buyout and demonstration threads have been excellent today. Lots of adult discussion, excellent questions from genuinely interested people, and decent answers. I've found today quite an uplifting one on here!

No name calling either just because you may have a different opinion or view, most uplifting!! :laugh:

[ExiledAjax]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

You are right.

 

Just now, frenchred said:

No name calling either just because you may have a different opinion or view, most uplifting!!

Who would have thought we'd get that in a thread about Neil ******* Warnock

[frenchred]

Just now, ExiledAjax said:

 

Who would have thought we'd get that in a thread about Neil ******* Warnock

I'd have him!.............. That will upset a few haha

[marmite]

7 minutes ago, frenchred said:

I'd have him!.............. That will upset a few haha

I'll go and pick NW up if he'll come here.

[Cityboy1954]

11 hours ago, steveybadger said:

I’d quite enjoy the winning but the turgid style of play, constant moaning at refs under NW? Not so much. 

Although I have to say I quite warm to him off the pitch.

Just need to stay up mate at all costs 6 month deal 

[Mendip City]

1 hour ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Just need to stay up mate at all costs 6 month deal 

I’ve not read the whole thread in detail but I can’t help thinking… On 1 Feb a bloke who’s previously employed and worked with  Warnock takes over as CEO here. If I were Pearson I’d be very keen to be on a better run and further from the drop zone. It would be a classic Warnock scenario to come in for a few months, give things a shake and see us safe.  

[clunes]

I’ve never understood the ‘turgid’ football argument. He gets teams winning and has a number of promotions on his CV. If you are scoring more goals than the opposition regularly enough to get promoted, how can that be a bad thing? Or is our current style better than what his teams have served up and I’m missing something. 
 

I used to really hate the man. He wound me up, but then one day I realised, that was what he was about. When I realised he was just a pantomime villain playing a role, my opinion of him completely changed. He would have been exactly what we needed but we have been too nice for him to be our manager for decades

[GrahamC]

9 hours ago, Mendip City said:

I’ve not read the whole thread in detail but I can’t help thinking… On 1 Feb a bloke who’s previously employed and worked with  Warnock takes over as CEO here. If I were Pearson I’d be very keen to be on a better run and further from the drop zone. It would be a classic Warnock scenario to come in for a few months, give things a shake and see us safe.  

He’s also worked with Pulis & Holloway..

I know I said it previously but Warnock is 74, his last job at Boro was disastrous, lumbering them with a lot of expensive rubbish that Wilder struggled to shift.

If he was ever the answer (& I do accept the theory that he probably would have done better given the resources LJ had) that time has gone & I do think he actually has finally retired.

[CyderInACan]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

He’s also worked with Pulis & Holloway..

* shudders * 

[MC RISK77]

Not this again- does he just do the same interview on repeat every 3 months, we get it Neil you loved us really

[phantom]

48 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Not this again- does he just do the same interview on repeat every 3 months, we get it Neil you loved us really

I agree it is ironic how often this soundbite has popped up over the past few years

[Swede]

Its the same old same old with colin. Clubs he would've liked to have managed. More like he got turned down by Portsmouth, Ipswich & Bristol City or had absolutely no chance whatsoever. Its not sour grapes with my opinion of this guy. Its years of watching his anti football sides. Its just every time he has an opportunity he plays to the masses. As others have pointed out when they've met him on a train or out in public unsurprisingly he's a different character and having never met the bloke I'm sure he is. Its just put a camera on him and a microphone in his hand and out it all pops with a cheeky grin. Its the same old patter.

Could he get a better tune out of our current squad? I doubt it very much. Pearson is having to work under considerable financial restraints caused largely by swiss tony to keep us in this league and we still have a way to go and without the colin style wheeling and dealing. 

 

 

[milo1111]

It would have been one hell of a ride. It would have worked I believe. We are at our best when there is an edge at AG.

lansdown would never of considered him though . That’s why we never been in the prem under his tenure as he doesn’t like managers with that win at all costs mentality.