Carey 6 Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Apparently the player hasn’t turned up for training today. He released this statement yesterday. This follows Anthony Gordon doing the same thing to leave Everton & move to Newcastle. Gordon, I don’t like it but I can understand it a little because of how toxic it got recently with him and the fans there after that protest last week, and also Everton looking in real trouble of being relegated. Caicedo I really don’t like - Brighton have sold Cucurella, Trossard & Bissouma (another CM) already this season. The 21 year old has 2 & a half years remaining on his contract & whilst £60m is a lot of money, I’m sure Brighton aren’t exactly skint right now & would need a ridiculous bid to let him go & leave themselves looking for a replacement this late into the window. I know it’s always happened where players refuse to play, or train for their club to force a move, but I fear with these two being such high profile recently, this may become even more common practice for players wishing to move clubs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 I totally get players wanting to move on , to better/bigger teams or just for more money . But there are ways to go about it. It's not a good look for a player, if I was a manager I'd have second thoughts about someone who could down tools if they wanted to move. Problem is, some will encourage it to save themselves some money or just to force the deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed. Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed. Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet There’s no excuse for not turning up for training , he’s been badly advised but he’s old enough to know better . It’s just another slight erosion of the game. The amount of money in the game is vile . Everybody wants their club to play at the highest level but I hate what the prem stands for financially Edited January 28, 2023 by steviestevieneville 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: There’s no excuse for not turning up for training , he’s been badly advised but he’s old enough to know better . It’s just another slight erosion of the game. The amount of money in the game is vile . Everybody wants their club to play at the highest level but I hate what the prem stands for financially I’m sure it’s happened plenty of times before where a player has refused to turn up & still not managed to get the move he was after. But you’d look like a right dick on that first day back after the window has closed wouldn’t you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed. Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS ! He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO. The difference in moves isn't that different. Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways. I would say, knowing he is not here next year has forced Pearson into playing the likes Kadji & Taylor Clarke as they will be, and it gives him a chance to see if they can step up. TBF both parties have said he is there if needed. Different situation IMO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I would say, knowing he is not here next year has forced Pearson into playing the likes Kadji & Taylor Clarke as they will be, and it gives him a chance to see if they can step up. TBF both parties have said he is there if needed. Different situation IMO Maybe the Massengo one is slightly different but Everton have frozen out players in the past for refusing to sign a contract and are currently refusing to tell one of their players, who is out of contract at the end of the season, whether they will offer him a new one or not. It’s reasonable to expect a club to tell a player if he isn’t wanted so he can sort a new club. Especially in a day when there are a lot of free agents every season. Clubs mistreat players and players mistreat clubs. It works both ways. Edited January 28, 2023 by And Its Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, James54De said: Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. Key word being rumoured. Highly likely that’s a load of tosh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, James54De said: Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. Don’t believe everything you read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, Selred said: Key word being rumoured. Highly likely that’s a load of tosh! 6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t believe everything you read. The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 22 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Maybe the Massengo one is slightly different but Everton have frozen out players in the past for refusing to sign a contract and are currently refusing to tell one of their players, who is out of contract at the end of the season, whether they will offer him a new one or not. It’s reasonable to expect a club to tell a player if he isn’t wanted so he can sort a new club. Especially in a day when there are a lot of free agents every season. Clubs mistreat players and players mistreat clubs. It works both ways. Totally agree. There should be clarity, honesty and fairness from both sides. Thing is , the numbers involved are ridiculous so people try and manufacture situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, marcofisher said: The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! I’ve seen talk of £10-20k which is much more likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 42 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS ! He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO. The difference in moves isn't that different. Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially. On the other hand, Gordon is locally born, aged 21 and been at Everton since he was 11. Yet the fans seem to have turned on him, which you would imagine doesn’t feel good. It’s possible his attitude is justified, as he seems to have been slightly frozen out of the team too. Danny Murphy has commented that he’s their best player and he can’t understand the way he’s been treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Tricky one this. Personally I would have a word with the player and tell him there are ways to do things with honour and respect and if you don’t abide by these rules then sooner or later it’s you who will pay the price. The clubs need to stand firm as well or else there will be anarchy ( not just in the UK) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) If the player is under contact the club don't have to sell. And the player is under contract to train, play extra. So there is no acceptable reason to not turn up if their club does not wish to sell them. So the players should remember what a privileged position they have in life and honour their contacts. Spoilt brats comes to mind Edited January 28, 2023 by Rocking Red Cyril Can't spell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 He can turn up where he likes, but as long as he remains under contract to them, Brighton can ensure no league club can legally play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 23 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I’ve seen talk of £10-20k which is much more likely Even then, egg on Brighton’s face as that is very low for a well performing PL player nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Gordon is worth no where near £40 million. He seems to think he’s their best player and can demand to leave. He runs around a lot and puts the effort in but doesn’t actually create or score much. Everton should be biting Newcastle’s hand off for £40 million and get someone like Ziyech from Chelsea for probably far less and he’s a better player. As for Caicedo, I’m sure I thought I’d read somewhere just the other day that he didn’t want to leave and now completely reversed on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 51 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t believe everything you read. Not on this forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Thing with Gordon as well is that he knows that financially Everton are in trouble and so can’t really turn down offers for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways. Players have too much power now. I do get clubs treat players without regard at times so you’re right in a way it does work both ways . We’ve seen players down tools & run contracts down (fam) massengo is running his contract down , so too was bentley . We now want Martin & klose off the wage bill & have told them they can leave. Cut throat world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Even then, egg on Brighton’s face as that is very low for a well performing PL player nowadays. Why do they have egg on their face? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said: Players have too much power now. I do get clubs treat players without regard at times so you’re right in a way it does work both ways . We’ve seen players down tools & run contracts down (fam) massengo is running his contract down , so too was bentley . We now want Martin & klose off the wage bill & have told them they can leave. Cut throat world Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, James54De said: Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t believe everything you read. Don't believe anything you read I should think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable. I think the decimal point was in the wrong place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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