Gordon to Newcastle, Caicedo to Arsenal

[Carey 6]

Apparently the player hasn’t turned up for training today. He released this statement yesterday. 

This follows Anthony Gordon doing the same thing to leave Everton & move to Newcastle.

Gordon, I don’t like it but I can understand it a little because of how toxic it got recently with him and the fans there after that protest last week, and also Everton looking in real trouble of being relegated.

Caicedo I really don’t like - Brighton have sold Cucurella, Trossard & Bissouma (another CM) already this season. The 21 year old has 2 & a half years remaining on his contract & whilst £60m is a lot of money, I’m sure Brighton aren’t exactly skint right now & would need a ridiculous bid to let him go & leave themselves looking for a replacement this late into the window.

I know it’s always happened  where players refuse to play, or train for their club to force a move, but I fear with these two being such high profile recently, this may become even more common practice for players wishing to move clubs.

[1960maaan]

I totally get players wanting to move on , to better/bigger teams or just for more money . But there are ways to go about it.
It's not a good look for a player, if I was a manager I'd have second thoughts about someone who could down tools if they wanted to move. Problem is, some will encourage it to save themselves some money or just to force the deal.

[Charlie BCFC]

Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed.

 

Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet

[steviestevieneville]

4 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed.

 

Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet

There’s no excuse for not turning up for training , he’s been badly advised but he’s old enough to know better . It’s just another slight erosion of the game. The amount of money in the game is vile . Everybody wants their club to play at the highest level but I hate what the prem stands for financially 

Edited January 28, 2023 by steviestevieneville

[Carey 6]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

There’s no excuse for not turning up for training , he’s been badly advised but he’s old enough to know better . It’s just another slight erosion of the game. The amount of money in the game is vile . Everybody wants their club to play at the highest level but I hate what the prem stands for financially 

I’m sure it’s happened plenty of times before where a player has refused to turn up & still not managed to get the move he was after. But you’d look like a right dick on that first day back after the window has closed wouldn’t you. 

[And Its Smith]

City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways.  

[1960maaan]

9 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said:

Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed.

 

Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet

I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS !
He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO.

The difference in moves isn't that different.
Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive  move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially.

[1960maaan]

4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways.  

I would say, knowing he is not here next year has forced Pearson into playing the likes Kadji & Taylor Clarke as they will be, and it gives him a chance to see if they can step up. 
TBF both parties have said he is there if needed. 
Different situation IMO

[And Its Smith]

5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I would say, knowing he is not here next year has forced Pearson into playing the likes Kadji & Taylor Clarke as they will be, and it gives him a chance to see if they can step up. 
TBF both parties have said he is there if needed. 
Different situation IMO

Maybe the Massengo one is slightly different but Everton have frozen out players in the past for refusing to sign a contract and are currently refusing to tell one of their players, who is out of contract at the end of the season, whether they will offer him a new one or not.  It’s reasonable to expect a club to tell a player if he isn’t wanted so he can sort a new club. Especially in a day when there are a lot of free agents every season. Clubs mistreat players and players mistreat clubs.  It works both ways. 

Edited January 28, 2023 by And Its Smith

[James54De]

Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. 

[Selred]

3 minutes ago, James54De said:

Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. 

Key word being rumoured. Highly likely that’s a load of tosh!

[And Its Smith]

7 minutes ago, James54De said:

Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. 

Don’t believe everything you read. 

[marcofisher]

9 minutes ago, Selred said:

Key word being rumoured. Highly likely that’s a load of tosh!

 

6 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Don’t believe everything you read. 

The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! 

[1960maaan]

22 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Maybe the Massengo one is slightly different but Everton have frozen out players in the past for refusing to sign a contract and are currently refusing to tell one of their players, who is out of contract at the end of the season, whether they will offer him a new one or not.  It’s reasonable to expect a club to tell a player if he isn’t wanted so he can sort a new club. Especially in a day when there are a lot of free agents every season. Clubs mistreat players and players mistreat clubs.  It works both ways. 

Totally agree. There should be clarity, honesty and fairness from both sides. Thing is , the numbers involved are ridiculous so people try and manufacture situations. 
 

[And Its Smith]

12 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

 

The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! 

I’ve seen talk of £10-20k which is much more likely 

[Leveller]

42 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS !
He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO.

The difference in moves isn't that different.
Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive  move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially.

On the other hand, Gordon is locally born, aged 21 and been at Everton since he was 11. Yet the fans seem to have turned on him, which you would imagine doesn’t feel good. It’s possible his attitude is justified, as he seems to have been slightly frozen out of the team too. Danny Murphy has commented that he’s their best player and he can’t understand the way he’s been treated.

[Major Isewater]

Tricky one this. Personally I would have a word with the player and tell him there are ways to do things with honour and respect and if you don’t abide by these rules then sooner or later it’s you who will pay the price. 
The clubs need to stand firm as well or else there will be anarchy ( not just in the UK) 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

If the player is under contact the club don't have to sell. And the player is under contract to train, play extra. So there is no acceptable reason to not turn up if their club does not wish to sell them. So the players should remember what a privileged position they have in life  and honour their contacts. Spoilt brats comes to mind 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Rocking Red Cyril
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[Red-Robbo]

He can turn up where he likes, but as long as he remains under contract to them, Brighton can ensure no league club can legally play him. 

[marcofisher]

23 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I’ve seen talk of £10-20k which is much more likely 

Even then, egg on Brighton’s face as that is very low for a well performing PL player nowadays.

[Show Me The Money!]

Gordon is worth no where near £40 million. He seems to think he’s their best player and can demand to leave. He runs around a lot and puts the effort in but doesn’t actually create or score much.

Everton should be biting Newcastle’s hand off for £40 million and get someone like Ziyech from Chelsea for probably far less and he’s a better player.

As for Caicedo, I’m sure I thought I’d read somewhere just the other day that he didn’t want to leave and now completely reversed on that

[downendcity]

51 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Don’t believe everything you read. 

Not on this forum! 

[Show Me The Money!]

Thing with Gordon as well is that he knows that financially Everton are in trouble and so can’t really turn down offers for him

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

City aren’t playing Massengo because of his contract so it works both ways.  

Players have too much power now. I do get clubs treat players without regard at times so you’re right in a way it does work both ways . We’ve seen players down tools & run contracts down (fam) massengo is running his contract down , so too was bentley . We now want Martin & klose off the wage bill & have told them they can leave. Cut throat world 

[And Its Smith]

8 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Even then, egg on Brighton’s face as that is very low for a well performing PL player nowadays.

Why do they have egg on their face?

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

Players have too much power now. I do get clubs treat players without regard at times so you’re right in a way it does work both ways . We’ve seen players down tools & run contracts down (fam) massengo is running his contract down , so too was bentley . We now want Martin & klose off the wage bill & have told them they can leave. Cut throat world 

Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order 

[Bris Red]

1 hour ago, James54De said:

Caicedo is rumoured to be on 3.5k a week at Brighton. With a 60 million pound fee, that would likely increase ~15 fold. 

Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Don’t believe everything you read. 

Don't believe anything you read I should think 

[pillred]

3 minutes ago, Bris Red said:

Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable.

I think the decimal point was in the wrong place.

[steviestevieneville]

7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order 

I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them 

[James54De]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Don’t believe everything you read. 

Oh **** off. 

[James54De]

11 minutes ago, Bris Red said:

Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable.

Do a little research, maybe? 

[marcofisher]

53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Why do they have egg on their face?

Because if he is on a contract insanely far under his value, that of a decent Championship player when he is clearly far superior than that, makes it all the more difficult in situations like this. You’re asking someone to stay professional when his salary is going to be increased by at least 10x if he is on £10k, and god knows how many times if he is on that rumoured £3.5k. We can all comment on his unprofessional behaviour, but 90% would do the same in his position.

Edited January 28, 2023 by marcofisher

[And Its Smith]

2 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

Because if he is on a contract insanely far under his value, that of a decent Championship player when he is clearly far superior than that, makes it all the more difficult in situations like this. You’re asking someone to stay professional when his salary is going to be increased by at least 10x if he is on £10k, and god knows how many times if he is on that rumoured £3.5k. We can all comment on his unprofessional behaviour, but 90% would do the same in his position.

Yep. I would do the same. He’s taken a low wage to get a good move and make a name for himself so now wants to capitalise on that. 

[marcofisher]

Just now, And Its Smith said:

Yep. I would do the same. He’s taken a low wage to get a good move and make a name for himself so now wants to capitalise on that. 

My point was though, he wasn’t really in line for this move last summer but was clearly fancied by Brighton, so surely a bit of a contractual blunder to have not put him on a contract more worthy of his status. 

[downendcity]

54 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Don't believe anything you read I should think 

 

47 minutes ago, James54De said:

Oh **** off. 

[Charlie BCFC]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS !
He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO.

The difference in moves isn't that different.
Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive  move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially.

Oh yeah his attitude is a disgrace, especially when he was let go by Liverpool when he was younger. Everton done pretty well to get that for him imo

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order 

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them 

Agree.  Nothing in a standard contract that says they have to play.  As long as you give them coaching, fitness, etc, etc, that’s all that’s required.  There should be no expectation to be picked at all.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

1 hour ago, James54De said:

Oh **** off. 

Said the master of wit and repartee. 

[M.D]

Caicedo has been told not to attend training until after the transfer window closes.

[And Its Smith]

26 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Agree.  Nothing in a standard contract that says they have to play.  As long as you give them coaching, fitness, etc, etc, that’s all that’s required.  There should be no expectation to be picked at all.

I can’t agree with that. If a player deserves to be picked he should be picked irrespective of contract length remaining 

[Davefevs]

31 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I can’t agree with that. If a player deserves to be picked he should be picked irrespective of contract length remaining 

Haha, and what is the “qualification” for “deserves to be picked”?  A manager can select who he wants.

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

Haha, and what is the “qualification” for “deserves to be picked”?  A manager can select who he wants.

No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh.  If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about.  

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh.  If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about.  

Yes, and that’s his choice, because there are other factors over and above the ability of the individual.  You know that, I know that, there is no right to be selected.  It’s not belittling you, just made me laugh.

[And Its Smith]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Yes, and that’s his choice, because there are other factors over and above the ability of the individual.  You know that, I know that, there is no right to be selected.  It’s not belittling you, just made me laugh.

I’m sure you can understand my point. If a player who would always be picked normally but isn’t because he has not chosen to renew a contract, which is his right,  then that is wrong.  If that is the ONLY reason he isn’t being picked.  

[Davefevs]

Just now, And Its Smith said:

I’m sure you can understand my point. If a player who would always be picked normally but isn’t because he has not chosen to renew a contract, which is his right,  then that is wrong.  If that is the ONLY reason he isn’t being picked.  

No, because there are factors like commitment, the impact on other players etc.  it isn’t a binary decision.

[And Its Smith]

14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No, because there are factors like commitment, the impact on other players etc.  it isn’t a binary decision.

I said the ONLY reason being his contract.  Ie commitment is fine etc. 

[Selred]

13 hours ago, marcofisher said:

 

The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! 

Going to a Prem team. He was always going to earn a lot more!

[Mr Popodopolous]

13 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them 

They do, think pragmatism can be important however- depends on the importance of the player to the team, their attitude a range of factors really.

[Numero Uno]

20 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order 

No player has a right to "expect" to be picked. You have to earn the right to be picked whatever your contract situation,. On what Massengo has given us in the first three months of the season how could he possibly "expect" to be picked?

[Numero Uno]

17 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh.  If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about.  

..........like you have done to others above with your laughing and confused emoji's!! If you don't like being on the receiving end then perhaps treat other posters the same way you like to be treated? If you don't give a shit then carry on and don't moan when you get the laughs and confused reactions coming your way.

[Davefevs]

19 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

I said the ONLY reason being his contract.  Ie commitment is fine etc. 

I think the reality is that it’s rarely the only dynamic in question, that’s the reason players start getting left out.

[And Its Smith]

3 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

No player has a right to "expect" to be picked. You have to earn the right to be picked whatever your contract situation,. On what Massengo has given us in the first three months of the season how could he possibly "expect" to be picked?

I think you know what I meant. I meant an expectation not to have a contract situation affect a selection.  Massengo might not expect to be picked but he’s certainly good enough for the bench.  

[Numero Uno]

3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I think you know what I meant. I meant an expectation not to have a contract situation affect a selection.  Massengo might not expect to be picked but he’s certainly good enough for the bench.  

Ability wise he's good enough to start tbf but I'm not sure he's done enough this season to particularly merit it or be given a place on the bench given the way the club have decided to move forwards. I don't get the impression that there are particular issues at play (or if there are both parties are keeping their powder dry until the lad leaves) and that if Massengo was desperately needed we would pick him and he wouldn't refuse to turn up.

[WarksRobin]

On 28/01/2023 at 10:18, Charlie BCFC said:

Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed.

 

Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet

Chance of a Premier League winners medal tho, plus a shedload of cash

[And Its Smith]

15 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Ability wise he's good enough to start tbf but I'm not sure he's done enough this season to particularly merit it or be given a place on the bench given the way the club have decided to move forwards. I don't get the impression that there are particular issues at play (or if there are both parties are keeping their powder dry until the lad leaves) and that if Massengo was desperately needed we would pick him and he wouldn't refuse to turn up.

There have been times where we could have done with a Massengo off the bench in the last 15 mins to add some energy to our midfield but he’s not been there. Seen plenty of comments to that so don’t think that’s just my view 

[maxjak]

On 28/01/2023 at 10:18, Charlie BCFC said:

Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed.

 

Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet

Well done Mr Gordon for showing your loyalty to your boyhood club.   Sorry........but when he comes out with statements letting everyone know how much he loves Everton and how he will always care what happens to them, because he has been there since 11, and it was always his dream to score at Goodison?  And then off he phecks to Saudi Arabia Utd, as soon as he gets the chance.  Well if he loves them so much, why is he not staying to help them turn the corner under a new manager?   He is 21 and on a great salary, and could have stayed for a season...........All so much B S.   The kid's a hypocrite and a charlatan IMHO.   I do not support Everton, but if i was a fan of theirs, I would seriously dislike this kid,    I  Feel better now!!!  Ha!

[Charlie BCFC]

13 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Well done Mr Gordon for showing your loyalty to your boyhood club.   Sorry........but when he comes out with statements letting everyone know how much he loves Everton and how he will always care what happens to them, because he has been there since 11, and it was always his dream to score at Goodison?  And then off he phecks to Saudi Arabia Utd, as soon as he gets the chance.  Well if he loves them so much, why is he not staying to help them turn the corner under a new manager?   He is 21 and on a great salary, and could have stayed for a season...........All so much B S.   The kid's a hypocrite and a charlatan IMHO.   I do not support Everton, but if i was a fan of theirs, I would seriously dislike this kid,    I  Feel better now!!!  Ha!

I think he handled it horribly, but fact of the matter is it’s a step up and people are going towards his car saying “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. You can’t blame him for wanting to go can you?

[maxjak]

1 hour ago, Charlie BCFC said:

I think he handled it horribly, but fact of the matter is it’s a step up and people are going towards his car saying “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. You can’t blame him for wanting to go can you?

Thanks Charlie........for your forthright opinion.  As for the other reply i received, i just never understand why some people use the confused emoji...........it's such a cop out, almost as if theyr'e incapable of a point of view, and even if it were to be an inarticulate reply, at least it's a point of view?   Sorry i will get off of my soap box now...Ha!

[TheReds]

I'd love to see what comments would be said if Alex Scott now didn't show up for training to get a move with time left on his contract, as he will be on terrible money up against the Prem teams.

There would be outrage in my opinion - and rightly so. 

[TheReds]

On 29/01/2023 at 11:17, And Its Smith said:

I think you know what I meant. I meant an expectation not to have a contract situation affect a selection.  Massengo might not expect to be picked but he’s certainly good enough for the bench.  

I don't doubt that, but if he is going, and will be going for nothing (wasn't he also one who refused to go on loan, apologies if I have that wrong), then personally I would do the same as what Pearson has done with him. 

If Pearson kept picking players who wanted out (but ability wise they should be on the bench), then when do these/our youngsters get given the chance and gain some experience? We got a bit of a feel good factor coming back and part of that is the amazing academy young 'uns coming through to the first team. I'd be amazed if the huge majority would want Massengo on the bench in front of what is currently being picked.

[And Its Smith]

3 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I don't doubt that, but if he is going, and will be going for nothing (wasn't he also one who refused to go on loan, apologies if I have that wrong), then personally I would do the same as what Pearson has done with him. 

If Pearson kept picking players who wanted out (but ability wise they should be on the bench), then when do these/our youngsters get given the chance and gain some experience? We got a bit of a feel good factor coming back and part of that is the amazing academy young 'uns coming through to the first team. I'd be amazed if the huge majority would want Massengo on the bench in front of what is currently being picked.

Maybe but clubs can’t have it both ways. You can’t freeze players out for not signing a new contract and then moan when players want a move for a better contract 

[Davefevs]

7 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Maybe but clubs can’t have it both ways. You can’t freeze players out for not signing a new contract and then moan when players want a move for a better contract 

I guess the question is - who’s moaning about players moving for better contracts?  Not the bloke who is freezing a player out.

[TheReds]

Just now, And Its Smith said:

Maybe but clubs can’t have it both ways. You can’t freeze players out for not signing a new contract and then moan when players want a move for a better contract 

Of course they can, that's how the contract works.

If a player wants to sign a life changing contract and say it's 5 years long then that is down to them and their representative isn't it? If they want out half way down the line of that contract, and actually refuse to play to try and force a move, and you think that is acceptable, then what is the point of a contract in the first place? The club can freeze that player out if they wish. More to the point why haven't the player and his agent negotiated a shorter contract in the first place - maybe because the greed got them then, and now even more greed is getting to them again?

I wonder if any of those players would happily move if their wages were being halved - or would they then happily see out their current contract.,....

[And Its Smith]

1 minute ago, TheReds said:

Of course they can, that's how the contract works.

If a player wants to sign a life changing contract and say it's 5 years long then that is down to them and their representative isn't it? If they want out half way down the line of that contract, and actually refuse to play to try and force a move, and you think that is acceptable, then what is the point of a contract in the first place? The club can freeze that player out if they wish. More to the point why haven't the player and his agent negotiated a shorter contract in the first place - maybe because the greed got them then, and now even more greed is getting to them again?

I wonder if any of those players would happily move if their wages were being halved - or would they then happily see out their current contract.,....

Everton have frozen players out for refusing to sign a contract that they aren’t obliged to sign and then moaned when a player refuses to play. In my opinion they can’t refuse to pick a player and then have an issue with a player refusing to be picked.  Maybe my view is a minority one which is fine 

[TheReds]

13 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Everton have frozen players out for refusing to sign a contract that they aren’t obliged to sign and then moaned when a player refuses to play. In my opinion they can’t refuse to pick a player and then have an issue with a player refusing to be picked.  Maybe my view is a minority one which is fine 

So let's say we have frozen out Massengo (which seems we can all agree on). Are you now happy if Alex Scott says he refuses to play unless he gets a move now to a Prem club? Or Conway may have a few clubs watching higher up than us (even in the Championship), what if both said they wouldn't play for us now whilst being on contract. I'd be absolutely fuming seeing as we seem to have given them both a great chance with their lives/careers. 

[And Its Smith]

20 minutes ago, TheReds said:

So let's say we have frozen out Massengo (which seems we can all agree on). Are you now happy if Alex Scott says he refuses to play unless he gets a move now to a Prem club? Or Conway may have a few clubs watching higher up than us (even in the Championship), what if both said they wouldn't play for us now whilst being on contract. I'd be absolutely fuming seeing as we seem to have given them both a great chance with their lives/careers. 

Fans and club can be different.  I disagree with freezing out Massengo so can then be annoyed if the situation you describe occurs.  I would see it as hypocritical to agree with Massengo being frozen out and then being annoyed at players pushing for a move 

[maxjak]

Seems like Han Noah has continued playing for the U21s, kept fit and available for selection.  He hasn't moaned or caused any problems, I believe he has every right to refuse a new contract, it is a shame that Pearson froze him out, but i guess it was more to do with using players who were commited to the club......rather than using anyone who was always intending to leave?  So maybe "frozen out"  is a misnomer?  Shame that Han never   got his century, but i wish him well in his future, it will be interesting to see how his career develops in the years ahead?.

Edited January 30, 2023 by maxjak

[TheReds]

44 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Fans and club can be different.  I disagree with freezing out Massengo so can then be annoyed if the situation you describe occurs.  I would see it as hypocritical to agree with Massengo being frozen out and then being annoyed at players pushing for a move 

Sorry, I meant that as we all agree that Massengo has been frozen out.

Therefore, if Scott and Conway both refused to play for us now whilst in contract because they could get a better move now, you would be happy with that situation should it arise (simply because the club have frozen out Massengo previously)?

 

[And Its Smith]

3 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Sorry, I meant that as we all agree that Massengo has been frozen out.

Therefore, if Scott and Conway both refused to play for us now whilst in contract because they could get a better move now, you would be happy with that situation should it arise (simply because the club have frozen out Massengo previously)?

 

No that’s not what I am saying.  I am saying the CLUB can’t moan if the CLUB freeze a player out. The fans can moan as the fans haven’t chosen to freeze the player out.