James54De Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Don’t believe everything you read. Oh **** off. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bris Red said: Not a chance he is on £3.5 k a week at Brighton. That is laughable. Do a little research, maybe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Why do they have egg on their face? Because if he is on a contract insanely far under his value, that of a decent Championship player when he is clearly far superior than that, makes it all the more difficult in situations like this. You’re asking someone to stay professional when his salary is going to be increased by at least 10x if he is on £10k, and god knows how many times if he is on that rumoured £3.5k. We can all comment on his unprofessional behaviour, but 90% would do the same in his position. Edited January 28, 2023 by marcofisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, marcofisher said: Because if he is on a contract insanely far under his value, that of a decent Championship player when he is clearly far superior than that, makes it all the more difficult in situations like this. You’re asking someone to stay professional when his salary is going to be increased by at least 10x if he is on £10k, and god knows how many times if he is on that rumoured £3.5k. We can all comment on his unprofessional behaviour, but 90% would do the same in his position. Yep. I would do the same. He’s taken a low wage to get a good move and make a name for himself so now wants to capitalise on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcofisher Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, And Its Smith said: Yep. I would do the same. He’s taken a low wage to get a good move and make a name for himself so now wants to capitalise on that. My point was though, he wasn’t really in line for this move last summer but was clearly fancied by Brighton, so surely a bit of a contractual blunder to have not put him on a contract more worthy of his status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: Don't believe anything you read I should think 47 minutes ago, James54De said: Oh **** off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 2 hours ago, 1960maaan said: I would say that as Everton brought him up through the ranks, gave him his chance that the current state of the Club has no bearing on his attitude. He should be professional and do things properly, he was always going to get his move, £40m FFS ! He apparently was allowed to miss one training but then agreed to go, and didn't , shit attitude IMO. The difference in moves isn't that different. Yeah, Everton basket case to possible Champions League challengers is a massive move. That said, potential European football to possible Champions is Massive-er, potentially. Oh yeah his attitude is a disgrace, especially when he was let go by Liverpool when he was younger. Everton done pretty well to get that for him imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order 1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said: I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them Agree. Nothing in a standard contract that says they have to play. As long as you give them coaching, fitness, etc, etc, that’s all that’s required. There should be no expectation to be picked at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 hour ago, James54De said: Oh **** off. Said the master of wit and repartee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.D Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Caicedo has been told not to attend training until after the transfer window closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Agree. Nothing in a standard contract that says they have to play. As long as you give them coaching, fitness, etc, etc, that’s all that’s required. There should be no expectation to be picked at all. I can’t agree with that. If a player deserves to be picked he should be picked irrespective of contract length remaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I can’t agree with that. If a player deserves to be picked he should be picked irrespective of contract length remaining Haha, and what is the “qualification” for “deserves to be picked”? A manager can select who he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Haha, and what is the “qualification” for “deserves to be picked”? A manager can select who he wants. No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh. If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh. If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about. Yes, and that’s his choice, because there are other factors over and above the ability of the individual. You know that, I know that, there is no right to be selected. It’s not belittling you, just made me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, Davefevs said: Yes, and that’s his choice, because there are other factors over and above the ability of the individual. You know that, I know that, there is no right to be selected. It’s not belittling you, just made me laugh. I’m sure you can understand my point. If a player who would always be picked normally but isn’t because he has not chosen to renew a contract, which is his right, then that is wrong. If that is the ONLY reason he isn’t being picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Just now, And Its Smith said: I’m sure you can understand my point. If a player who would always be picked normally but isn’t because he has not chosen to renew a contract, which is his right, then that is wrong. If that is the ONLY reason he isn’t being picked. No, because there are factors like commitment, the impact on other players etc. it isn’t a binary decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: No, because there are factors like commitment, the impact on other players etc. it isn’t a binary decision. I said the ONLY reason being his contract. Ie commitment is fine etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 13 hours ago, marcofisher said: The lad is 21 and signed directly from an Ecuadorean team aged 19, I would imagine he would be on about that! Going to a Prem team. He was always going to earn a lot more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 13 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: I agree they do have a right to run their contracts down . Managers also have the right not to pick them They do, think pragmatism can be important however- depends on the importance of the player to the team, their attitude a range of factors really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 20 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Players have a right to run their contracts down though and expect to be picked. Though Fam clearly stopped trying which is out of order No player has a right to "expect" to be picked. You have to earn the right to be picked whatever your contract situation,. On what Massengo has given us in the first three months of the season how could he possibly "expect" to be picked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 17 hours ago, And Its Smith said: No need to belittle an opinion with a laugh. If a manager isn’t picking someone he would normally pick because they aren’t signing a new deal is clearly what I am talking about. ..........like you have done to others above with your laughing and confused emoji's!! If you don't like being on the receiving end then perhaps treat other posters the same way you like to be treated? If you don't give a shit then carry on and don't moan when you get the laughs and confused reactions coming your way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 19 hours ago, And Its Smith said: I said the ONLY reason being his contract. Ie commitment is fine etc. I think the reality is that it’s rarely the only dynamic in question, that’s the reason players start getting left out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Numero Uno said: No player has a right to "expect" to be picked. You have to earn the right to be picked whatever your contract situation,. On what Massengo has given us in the first three months of the season how could he possibly "expect" to be picked? I think you know what I meant. I meant an expectation not to have a contract situation affect a selection. Massengo might not expect to be picked but he’s certainly good enough for the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I think you know what I meant. I meant an expectation not to have a contract situation affect a selection. Massengo might not expect to be picked but he’s certainly good enough for the bench. Ability wise he's good enough to start tbf but I'm not sure he's done enough this season to particularly merit it or be given a place on the bench given the way the club have decided to move forwards. I don't get the impression that there are particular issues at play (or if there are both parties are keeping their powder dry until the lad leaves) and that if Massengo was desperately needed we would pick him and he wouldn't refuse to turn up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 On 28/01/2023 at 10:18, Charlie BCFC said: Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed. Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet Chance of a Premier League winners medal tho, plus a shedload of cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 29, 2023 Report Share Posted January 29, 2023 15 minutes ago, Numero Uno said: Ability wise he's good enough to start tbf but I'm not sure he's done enough this season to particularly merit it or be given a place on the bench given the way the club have decided to move forwards. I don't get the impression that there are particular issues at play (or if there are both parties are keeping their powder dry until the lad leaves) and that if Massengo was desperately needed we would pick him and he wouldn't refuse to turn up. There have been times where we could have done with a Massengo off the bench in the last 15 mins to add some energy to our midfield but he’s not been there. Seen plenty of comments to that so don’t think that’s just my view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 28/01/2023 at 10:18, Charlie BCFC said: Completely get the Gordon one, Everton are a shambles at the minute and Newcastle looks a great environment to be in. Don’t understand what Newcastle see in him to pay 40 mill but they obviously see something that can be developed. Caicedo one is very odd, he’s at a club with a big chance of European football and he’s leaving at the first opportunity. Really like him as a player but he’s not even had one good full season yet Well done Mr Gordon for showing your loyalty to your boyhood club. Sorry........but when he comes out with statements letting everyone know how much he loves Everton and how he will always care what happens to them, because he has been there since 11, and it was always his dream to score at Goodison? And then off he phecks to Saudi Arabia Utd, as soon as he gets the chance. Well if he loves them so much, why is he not staying to help them turn the corner under a new manager? He is 21 and on a great salary, and could have stayed for a season...........All so much B S. The kid's a hypocrite and a charlatan IMHO. I do not support Everton, but if i was a fan of theirs, I would seriously dislike this kid, I Feel better now!!! Ha! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 13 minutes ago, maxjak said: Well done Mr Gordon for showing your loyalty to your boyhood club. Sorry........but when he comes out with statements letting everyone know how much he loves Everton and how he will always care what happens to them, because he has been there since 11, and it was always his dream to score at Goodison? And then off he phecks to Saudi Arabia Utd, as soon as he gets the chance. Well if he loves them so much, why is he not staying to help them turn the corner under a new manager? He is 21 and on a great salary, and could have stayed for a season...........All so much B S. The kid's a hypocrite and a charlatan IMHO. I do not support Everton, but if i was a fan of theirs, I would seriously dislike this kid, I Feel better now!!! Ha! I think he handled it horribly, but fact of the matter is it’s a step up and people are going towards his car saying “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. You can’t blame him for wanting to go can you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Charlie BCFC said: I think he handled it horribly, but fact of the matter is it’s a step up and people are going towards his car saying “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”. You can’t blame him for wanting to go can you? Thanks Charlie........for your forthright opinion. As for the other reply i received, i just never understand why some people use the confused emoji...........it's such a cop out, almost as if theyr'e incapable of a point of view, and even if it were to be an inarticulate reply, at least it's a point of view? Sorry i will get off of my soap box now...Ha! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 I'd love to see what comments would be said if Alex Scott now didn't show up for training to get a move with time left on his contract, as he will be on terrible money up against the Prem teams. There would be outrage in my opinion - and rightly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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