Tuesday night

[22A]

MODS; when the match day thread starts, feel free to merge this with it.

Huddersfield forum; https://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/118477/huddersfield-town-thrice-champions-bristol their opinions are divided;

I think we'll get the win on Tuesday.

I don't see any grounds for optimism. 

Bristol City not great away and we can’t score goals so a goalless draw possibly best we can hope for.

[ExiledAjax]

For what it's worth Fivethirtyeight say a City win is the narrow favourite, although all three results are pretty likely. 29% is a pretty high chance for a draw.

Edited March 6, 2023 by ExiledAjax

[Dr Balls]

We aren’t scoring from open play and they aren’t scoring much at all either. It has all the markings of a 0-0 bore fest with plenty of Colin’s usual non-football tactics to infuriate the travelling away fans. And good luck to them - Huddersfield on a very cold and possibly snowy Tuesday night is one for the real die-hards!

[The Gasbuster]

9 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

We aren’t scoring from open play and they aren’t scoring much at all either. It has all the markings of a 0-0 bore fest with plenty of Colin’s usual non-football tactics to infuriate the travelling away fans. And good luck to them - Huddersfield on a very cold and possibly snowy Tuesday night is one for the real die-hards!

I'm going, but only because I have meetings in Bradford all week.

[Major Isewater]

27 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

I'm going, but only because I have meetings in Bradford all week.

I congratulate you on your excellent planning.

 

[Northern Red]

I'm debating whether to brave the M56 and M62 at rush hour.

Alternatively I'll stay at home in the warm and watch it on the red button.

[maxjak]

As has been alluded to elsewhere, I believe that the substitutions and positional changes were at the heart of our Cardiff defeat.  Obviously the 2 injuries to Kalas and Williams, when they were both having excellent games, was really very unfortunate, but it was then further disrupted by Pearson's peculiar choice of subs and setting up the playera in the wrong roles...... IMHO.  It's another example of one of Pearson's ongoing failures to utilise subs properly, and continuing to put round pegs in square holes?  

Warnock will have noted exactly how Cardiff set up against us, and just how successful it was, so now is a chance, despite some injury issues, for Pearson to display some tactical nous?  He needs to show he has learnt a lesson, and set us up in a formation to counteract Warnock's tactics, and find a way to break through the Huddersfield back line.  This is a big test for Pearson, and an opportunity for him to show us that he IS tactically astute?  Because if we are unable to avoid defeat  to the league's bottom side...we have problems?    

[Chivs]

10 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

I congratulate you on your excellent planning.

 

You've obviously not been to Bradford

[Son of Fred]

45 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

I'm going, but only because I have meetings in Bradford all week.

Lucky you ....on the upside the curry will be good!

Enjoy the match!!

Edited March 6, 2023 by Son of Fred

[Son of Fred]

8 minutes ago, maxjak said:

As has been alluded to elsewhere, I believe that the substitutions and positional changes were at the heart of our Cardiff defeat.  Obviously the 2 injuries to Kalas and Williams, when they were both having excellent games, was really very unfortunate, but it was then further disrupted by Pearson's peculiar choice of subs and setting up the playera in the wrong roles...... IMHO.  It's another example of one of Pearson's ongoing failures to utilise subs properly, and continuing to put round pegs in square holes?  

Warnock will have noted exactly how Cardiff set up against us, and just how successful it was, so now is a chance, despite some injury issues, for Pearson to display some tactical nous?  He needs to show he has learnt a lesson, and set us up in a formation to counteract Warnock's tactics, and find a way to break through the Huddersfield back line.  This is a big test for Pearson, and an opportunity for him to show us that he IS tactically astute?  Because if we are unable to avoid defeat  to the league's bottom side...we have problems?    

Well Max,,all in all I'd take a point right now as it stops the rot before the rot sets in.

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, maxjak said:

As has been alluded to elsewhere, I believe that the substitutions and positional changes were at the heart of our Cardiff defeat.  Obviously the 2 injuries to Kalas and Williams, when they were both having excellent games, was really very unfortunate, but it was then further disrupted by Pearson's peculiar choice of subs and setting up the playera in the wrong roles...... IMHO.  It's another example of one of Pearson's ongoing failures to utilise subs properly, and continuing to put round pegs in square holes?  

Warnock will have noted exactly how Cardiff set up against us, and just how successful it was, so now is a chance, despite some injury issues, for Pearson to display some tactical nous?  He needs to show he has learnt a lesson, and set us up in a formation to counteract Warnock's tactics, and find a way to break through the Huddersfield back line.  This is a big test for Pearson, and an opportunity for him to show us that he IS tactically astute?  Because if we are unable to avoid defeat  to the league's bottom side...we have problems?    

Imho, their first goal was at the heart of the defeat.

Mat Wivs has just posted his Evening Post round-up, and reaches the same conclusion as you also.

We’d played 28 minutes (plus injury time at end of first half) with Scott back in CM and Weimann at no10, and I didn’t think the pattern of the game had changed (much) at all.  In fact we came out at h-t and Scott was driving us forward from his deeper position.  We were probably just on top.

When we played with a little patience, we generally achieved promising scenarios.

When Cardiff got Ojo into pockets, or Philogene a bit of time to dribble, they got promising situations.

It was that type of game.

So I don’t think the Williams sub and subsequent repositioning had any bearing at all.

You could argue the changes just after the hour might have had a bearing, but the game had changed, we were 1-0 down.  Bell had been ineffective.  Sykes in midweek helped us improve with the ball when he went back to RB.  So why not again?

I think it’s too easy to “blame” the changes on the subs made.  I think we want to use black and white “things” to prove why we lost.  I don’t think it was a game that lended itself to that causation.

There were lots of other things “going on” that impacted our effectiveness, e.g. Bell always coming short, closing the space for Scott (then Weimann), Mehmeti hugging left, blocking Pring’s channel, etc.

But that’s just my view.

 

[Major Isewater]

28 minutes ago, Chivs said:

You've obviously not been to Bradford

Apart from that …

[redkev]

1 hour ago, The Gasbuster said:

I'm going, but only because I have meetings in Bradford all week.

The only meeting I would have in Bradford is who in there right mind would organise a meeting in Bradford

[spudski]

38 minutes ago, maxjak said:

As has been alluded to elsewhere, I believe that the substitutions and positional changes were at the heart of our Cardiff defeat.  Obviously the 2 injuries to Kalas and Williams, when they were both having excellent games, was really very unfortunate, but it was then further disrupted by Pearson's peculiar choice of subs and setting up the playera in the wrong roles...... IMHO.  It's another example of one of Pearson's ongoing failures to utilise subs properly, and continuing to put round pegs in square holes?  

Warnock will have noted exactly how Cardiff set up against us, and just how successful it was, so now is a chance, despite some injury issues, for Pearson to display some tactical nous?  He needs to show he has learnt a lesson, and set us up in a formation to counteract Warnock's tactics, and find a way to break through the Huddersfield back line.  This is a big test for Pearson, and an opportunity for him to show us that he IS tactically astute?  Because if we are unable to avoid defeat  to the league's bottom side...we have problems?    

I think a lot of it comes down to the quality of players rather than formation perce.

Without Kalas, Atkinson and Naismith, we are pretty stuffed at CB imo. 

Go physical and bombard the box with crosses, and I can't see us winning much. Vyner needs someone physical, a ball winner next to him. He's too passive at crosses and often doesn't read crosses well. He's proven this season to be competent as a CB partner, who blocks and organises. 

DaSilva is a complete liability at LB. Again and again... he's easily beaten, allows crosses into the box way too easily, gives too much space, way too passive, and often points to others to ' take over' after he's been beaten. We saw it again for Cardiff's second. Tanner is a far more competent full back. We can purr all we like at DaSilvas technical ability, close control, but imo, he's awful as a LB. 

Hopefully in games coming up, teams don't penetrate down the right and go physical in the box. 

Vyner, King and DaSilva fill me with dread if they play in defence together. 

Even with Tanner, Vyner, Pring, DaSilva that is imo, massively weak. 

[GrahamC]

27 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Imho, their first goal was at the heart of the defeat.

Mat Wivs has just posted his Evening Post round-up, and reaches the same conclusion as you also.

We’d played 28 minutes (plus injury time at end of first half) with Scott back in CM and Weimann at no10, and I didn’t think the pattern of the game had changed (much) at all.  In fact we came out at h-t and Scott was driving us forward from his deeper position.  We were probably just on top.

When we played with a little patience, we generally achieved promising scenarios.

When Cardiff got Ojo into pockets, or Philogene a bit of time to dribble, they got promising situations.

It was that type of game.

So I don’t think the Williams sub and subsequent repositioning had any bearing at all.

You could argue the changes just after the hour might have had a bearing, but the game had changed, we were 1-0 down.  Bell had been ineffective.  Sykes in midweek helped us improve with the ball when he went back to RB.  So why not again?

I think it’s too easy to “blame” the changes on the subs made.  I think we want to use black and white “things” to prove why we lost.  I don’t think it was a game that lended itself to that causation.

There were lots of other things “going on” that impacted our effectiveness, e.g. Bell always coming short, closing the space for Scott (then Weimann), Mehmeti hugging left, blocking Pring’s channel, etc.

But that’s just my view.

 

Mine as well.

I am intrigued by those suddenly saying we should be bringing on King, who is a back up at best these days & probably only on the bench at all because of our injuries & otherwise it would be a lot of kids.

Weimann was a more logical choice to me, had it been for the last 15 & we were holding on to a lead or for a point, then King would have been the better option.

Said before the game I was surprised Bell started over Wells or Cornick but certainly don’t want to give the impression it was solely down to this but even with limited options tomorrow I hope at least one of those 2 starts.

[bcfc01]

Huddersfield have shipped 8 goals in their last two games (two 4-0 defeats) and 12 in their last four, scoring two goals.

What could possibly go wrong ?

[archie andrews]

16 minutes ago, spudski said:

I think a lot of it comes down to the quality of players rather than formation perce.

Without Kalas, Atkinson and Naismith, we are pretty stuffed at CB imo. 

Go physical and bombard the box with crosses, and I can't see us winning much. Vyner needs someone physical, a ball winner next to him. He's too passive at crosses and often doesn't read crosses well. He's proven this season to be competent as a CB partner, who blocks and organises. 

DaSilva is a complete liability at LB. Again and again... he's easily beaten, allows crosses into the box way too easily, gives too much space, way too passive, and often points to others to ' take over' after he's been beaten. We saw it again for Cardiff's second. Tanner is a far more competent full back. We can purr all we like at DaSilvas technical ability, close control, but imo, he's awful as a LB. 

Hopefully in games coming up, teams don't penetrate down the right and go physical in the box. 

Vyner, King and DaSilva fill me with dread if they play in defence together. 

Even with Tanner, Vyner, Pring, DaSilva that is imo, massively weak. 

Dont tell em pike.... 

[2015]

Sorry to spread positivity, but sadly I predict a 1-0 defeat.

[tin]

I’d go with a 4-1-4-1 tomorrow:

——————O’Leary————

Tanner—Vyner—Pring—Dasilva 

——————James—————

Sykes—-Scott—-Weimann—Mehmeti

———————Wells—————

[Port Said Red]

3 hours ago, 22A said:

MODS; when the match day thread starts, feel free to merge this with it.

Huddersfield forum; https://downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/118477/huddersfield-town-thrice-champions-bristol their opinions are divided;

I think we'll get the win on Tuesday.

I don't see any grounds for optimism. 

Bristol City not great away and we can’t score goals so a goalless draw possibly best we can hope for.

17 away games in League and Cup, we have failed to score in 4 of them.

[maxjak]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Imho, their first goal was at the heart of the defeat.

Mat Wivs has just posted his Evening Post round-up, and reaches the same conclusion as you also.

We’d played 28 minutes (plus injury time at end of first half) with Scott back in CM and Weimann at no10, and I didn’t think the pattern of the game had changed (much) at all.  In fact we came out at h-t and Scott was driving us forward from his deeper position.  We were probably just on top.

When we played with a little patience, we generally achieved promising scenarios.

When Cardiff got Ojo into pockets, or Philogene a bit of time to dribble, they got promising situations.

It was that type of game.

So I don’t think the Williams sub and subsequent repositioning had any bearing at all.

You could argue the changes just after the hour might have had a bearing, but the game had changed, we were 1-0 down.  Bell had been ineffective.  Sykes in midweek helped us improve with the ball when he went back to RB.  So why not again?

I think it’s too easy to “blame” the changes on the subs made.  I think we want to use black and white “things” to prove why we lost.  I don’t think it was a game that lended itself to that causation.

There were lots of other things “going on” that impacted our effectiveness, e.g. Bell always coming short, closing the space for Scott (then Weimann), Mehmeti hugging left, blocking Pring’s channel, etc.

But that’s just my view.

 

It's a valid view..........probably the fact that they had Premiership loanees made a big difference also?   Just hope Pearson sets us up correctly tonite..........cos' Warnock is a crafty old fox.

[The Bard]

3 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

We aren’t scoring from open play and they aren’t scoring much at all either. It has all the markings of a 0-0 bore fest with plenty of Colin’s usual non-football tactics to infuriate the travelling away fans. And good luck to them - Huddersfield on a very cold and possibly snowy Tuesday night is one for the real die-hards!

What worries me is our obvious lack of height and physicality.  Can just see them winning a terrible game 1 0 from a set piece or a cross.

[The Gasbuster]

2 hours ago, redkev said:

The only meeting I would have in Bradford is who in there right mind would organise a meeting in Bradford

H.Q. is there. Incredibly !

[iamalagerdrinker]

Anyone heard if it's POTD tomorrow? Have a friend who wants to come but he won't know till tomorrow morning 100%

[cidered abroad]

2 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

Huddersfield have shipped 8 goals in their last two games (two 4-0 defeats) and 12 in their last four, scoring two goals.

What could possibly go wrong ?

Bristol City have been well known for my entire life, as a side who are very apt at giving the needy a big helping hand!

What could possibly go wrong?

Edited March 6, 2023 by cidered abroad

[Stockwood gate]

A cold night in Yorkshire against a Neil warnock team bottom of the league , this has a recipe for disaster I will be there

[22A]

6 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

And good luck to them - Huddersfield on a very cold and possibly snowy Tuesday night is one for the real die-hards!

[22A]

4 hours ago, redkev said:

The only meeting I would have in Bradford is who in there right mind would organise a meeting in Bradford

About 10 - 12 years ago my son was at H'field Uni and the League got the fixtures right. City were at Hudds on the Saturday and Bradford on the Tuesday, so I was able to stay up there, and take in two games. Why can't the League arrange more fixtures like that? This season Sheff U & Rotherham would have been ideal.

[CyderInACan]

6 minutes ago, 22A said:

About 10 - 12 years ago my son was at H'field Uni and the League got the fixtures right. City were at Hudds on the Saturday and Bradford on the Tuesday, so I was able to stay up there, and take in two games. Why can't the League arrange more fixtures like that? This season Sheff U & Rotherham would have been ideal.

I had a few days booked for taking some training in our Leeds office - as luck would have it, that week we were playing Bradford in THAT game. I'd never have been there otherwise but what a night that was! 

[Bazooka Joe]

Huddersfield's Rugby League team are called the Giants.

We don't have any big players, so Warnock may pack his team with his own group of "giants" to batter and physically obliterate us.

Warnock will have his lot out on the pitch as if they were fighting for their lives.

As "Arson" Wegner would say, we will have to "match" them and "Fight fire, with fire"

Time for our Maverick to perform some magic and bang in a goal or two.