Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Why did the referee not act on today's game, Tommy Conway was clear going for goal, there defender brought him down, and referee waves play on,yes it was a friendly, it's usually the referee informs the manager to take the player off instead of giving him a red,even NP said it was a professional foul, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 I guess the problem was that if sent off, he'd then miss league games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akira Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I guess the problem was that if sent off, he'd then miss league games? But if its a red card, it's a red card, otherwise what's the point in having a referee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I guess the problem was that if sent off, he'd then miss league games? I honestly didn’t know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Redandproud said: Why did the referee not act on today's game, Tommy Conway was clear going for goal, there defender brought him down, and referee waves play on,yes it was a friendly, it's usually the referee informs the manager to take the player off instead of giving him a red,even NP said it was a professional foul, The referee was poor. Looked like we could've had a couple of pens (I e. Sammy Bel in the first half. I don't think though was anything more sinister than he just didn't think it was a foul. From memory it was a clumsy challenge but a genuine attempt to play the ball. Doesn't make it any less of a penalty, but wouldn't have been a red card under the new/clarified rules for the season ahead so I don't believe a sending off would even have come into the equation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 The most obvious answer is the ref didn’t believe it was a foul. He was wrong - both watching it real time and replay. Broader I thought it was a poor performance from the ref but that was in a strange way beneficial. It meant the game got a bit more feisty than a normal pre season in parts and that can only aid sharpness. A couple of incidents stand out there - about 30 minutes in Scott had a free kick given against him harshly - next tackle he absolutely left one on the Pompey player and nothing was given. The second was Roberts absolutely firing into things. But that was a whole 45 minutes thing! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 41 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: The referee was poor. Looked like we could've had a couple of pens (I e. Sammy Bel in the first half. I don't think though was anything more sinister than he just didn't think it was a foul. From memory it was a clumsy challenge but a genuine attempt to play the ball. Doesn't make it any less of a penalty, but wouldn't have been a red card under the new/clarified rules for the season ahead so I don't believe a sending off would even have come into the equation. The referee was Gurdan Sings son, (spelt wrong I know, he used to wear a turbin when a , referee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Anyone care to explain the difference between a professional foul and an amateur foul? A lot of professional fouls are committed in amateur games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: The most obvious answer is the ref didn’t believe it was a foul. He was wrong - both watching it real time and replay. Broader I thought it was a poor performance from the ref but that was in a strange way beneficial. It meant the game got a bit more feisty than a normal pre season in parts and that can only aid sharpness. A couple of incidents stand out there - about 30 minutes in Scott had a free kick given against him harshly - next tackle he absolutely left one on the Pompey player and nothing was given. The second was Roberts absolutely firing into things. But that was a whole 45 minutes thing! In friendlies, referees don't usually use Yellow cards, when it's a red they usually consult the manager to take the player off by the means of a substitute, but it was definitely a red in the second half when Alex Scott was clear on goal and the defender took him out, but the referee waved play -on, plus 2 penalties in the first half, the ref didn't have a clue, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just now, Redandproud said: In friendlies, referees don't usually use Yellow cards, when it's a red they usually consult the manager to take the player off by the means of a substitute, but it was definitely a red in the second half when Alex Scott was clear on goal and the defender took him out, but the referee waved play -on, plus 2 penalties in the first half, the ref didn't have a clue, I missed that incident. Probably because Scott was subbed at half time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 I thought he was awful yesterday. Was letting a little bit to much go IMO for a friendly. As for the professional foul, sending off all day long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I missed that incident. Probably because Scott was subbed at half time. So who was it then, as reviews match day report says it was Scott, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just now, Redandproud said: So who was it then, as reviews match day report says it was Scott, Tommy Conway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Just watched the highlights on YouTube & with that & the blatant penalty on Pring, wow. Either he was some local ref who is a Pompey fan or refereeing standards remain shit. I know what my money is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, chinapig said: Tommy Conway. It was still a professional foul, regardless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Just watched the highlights on YouTube & with that & the blatant penalty on Pring, wow. Either he was some local ref who is a Pompey fan or refereeing standards remain shit. I know what my money is on. It was the referees first game incharge, he's doing EFL championship next season, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimme Shelton Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Redandproud said: It was the referees first game incharge, he's doing EFL championship next season, Please let that be a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 I can see not wanting to send someone off but surely give the foul? Where was the linesman as well? Would be easier call for linesman I think? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Redandproud said: It was still a professional foul, regardless Of course and it didn't help that he was miles behind the play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: I thought he was awful yesterday. Was letting a little bit to much go IMO for a friendly. As for the professional foul, sending off all day long Ref was Sunny Gill. Just like our pre-season opponents were a gradual build-up in quality, we thought we’d get a bad ref in as prep for next week! Seriously though, I think @Silvio Dante’s point is a good one. I liked that the game got niggly. Morrell caught Williams late, Tins said he won’t let him get away with that…5 mins later, Williams giving Morrell a little clip off the ball! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Ref was Sunny Gill. Just like our pre-season opponents were a gradual build-up in quality, we thought we’d get a bad ref in as prep for next week! Seriously though, I think @Silvio Dante’s point is a good one. I liked that the game got niggly. Morrell caught Williams late, Tins said he won’t let him get away with that…5 mins later, Williams giving Morrell a little clip off the ball! It’s a fair point. There was quite a bit going on. When the first blooded tackle went in I looked at the bench and Jason Euell had a quiet word with the fourth official. One thing for sure we are ready for next Saturday. Excellent pre season IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 Crap refs are as inevitable as taxes, death, and shit summers. Of course we're going to see him again soon, in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted July 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gimme Shelton said: Please let that be a joke. No, as quoted on SSN, this is his first year Edited July 30, 2023 by Redandproud Respell 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHienz Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Akira said: But if its a red card, it's a red card, otherwise what's the point in having a referee? A question many ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Redandproud said: The referee was Gurdan Sings son, (spelt wrong I know, he used to wear a turbin when a , referee You really did spell it wrong... I was thinking you meant Gurnham Singh, not Jarnail Singh! The rest of my reply below still stands though! Was he really? That would explain a lot. Gurnham Singh, Vic Callow and Lester Shapter era was a dark one for refereeing! Edited July 30, 2023 by Steve Watts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 7 hours ago, Redandproud said: It was still a professional foul, regardless Your opening post even referenced Tommy! Like I said though, from memory I don't think it was. It was a foul, sure, but iirc he made a genuine attempt to challenge, which under the new guidelines would be a yellow only. It's also not his first season as a referee. He's referred 87 matches to date, 23 in the EFL. It'll be his first season in the Championship though... But if yesterday was anything to go by then any hopes we had that standards would improve this season look to be fading already of that's the standard they're promoting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: Like I said though, from memory I don't think it was. It was a foul, sure, but iirc he made a genuine attempt to challenge, which under the new guidelines would be a yellow only. That’s only in the penalty area though isn’t it. Professional foul outside the box is still a red whether there is a genuine attempt or not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 It has to be given as a foul for there to be a sending off! it is not Gill’s first season in the EFL coming up. It’s his second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: It has to be given as a foul for there to be a sending off! it is not Gill’s first season in the EFL coming up. It’s his second. Yeah, there was a feature on him on ITV’s EFL Highlights last season. Memories of his dad weren’t good though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted July 30, 2023 Report Share Posted July 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: That’s only in the penalty area though isn’t it. Professional foul outside the box is still a red whether there is a genuine attempt or not. Not sure, I'll have to check. I thought the guidelines were just around the foul and not where it took place, but quite probable that I'm mistaken. Either way, I thought the foul was in the box anyway, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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