Here’s a question

[Robbored]

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

[chinapig]

Just now, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

It refers to having 2 midfielders in front of the defence usually in a 4-2-3-1 shape. So the play 'pivots' around those two.

[Sir Geoff]

Phillips and Rice

[Cowshed]

26 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

England have used a formation of 3-4-1-2. England's intent is to play possession football and positionally, Two of the four ( Walsh and Stanway) are theoretically playing a withdrawn holding role acting as options to retain and release possession, linking up play in the second third of the pitch as pivots to play off and using positional passing patterns.

I would argue its not a double pivot. Stanway pushes up frequently. 

Edited August 14, 2023 by Cowshed

[Sir Colby-Tit]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

It's like a pivot, but there's two of them.

[And Its Smith]

Edited August 14, 2023 by And Its Smith

[Curr Avon]

Hi Alan. Hope you find this helpful: https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/double-pivot-football-tactics-explained-bayern-munich-chelsea/#:~:text=A double pivot is a,behind a single number 10.

[1960maaan]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

I think it was the first time the Commentator had heard of it too. Kept mentioning it for the rest of the game. 
Bit like that person who hears a word they like for the first time, then tries to drop it into every sentence for the rest of the day.

[BigTone]

2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

Robbo Robbo Robbo it is all to easy.

When coming out of defence we move the ball square at all opportunities to confuse the opposition into thinking we know what we are doing and how we will progress and maybe achieve a box entry or two (double pivot). This involves the forward thrust of our midfield warriors as much as our forward line moving into positions of concern to the opposition opponents. Once done we can then play back into a relaxed midfield 8 and probe for a winner. Simple really

Edited August 14, 2023 by BigTone

[MarcusX]

20 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I think it was the first time the Commentator had heard of it too. Kept mentioning it for the rest of the game. 
Bit like that person who hears a word they like for the first time, then tries to drop it into every sentence for the rest of the day.

Like “proper manager”?

[Norn Iron]

37 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Robbo Robbo Robbo it is all to easy.

When coming out of defence we move the ball square at all opportunities to confuse the opposition into thinking we know what we are doing and how we will progress and maybe achieve a box entry or two (double pivot). This involves the forward thrust of our midfield warriors as much as our forward line moving into positions of concern to the opposition opponents. Once done we can then play back into a relaxed midfield 8 and probe for a winner. Simple really

If only Stanley Unwin could explain.

[Son of Fred]

50 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I think it was the first time the Commentator had heard of it too. Kept mentioning it for the rest of the game. 
Bit like that person who hears a word they like for the first time, then tries to drop it into every sentence for the rest of the day.

Pivot

[1960maaan]

13 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

If only Stanley Unwin could explain.

Short version ...

"Now of course, like all real life experience stories
This also begins once a polly tito
And Happiness Stan, whose life evolved ne' ephemeral colour dreamy most
Had his pure existence and his being a deep joy of the multicolour of the rainbold
Oh yes, his home's a Victoriana charibold, this the four-wheel folloped ft-ft-ft out the backgrove
Now as Eaved and his deep approachey, his eye on the moon
All time some time deep joy of a full moon scintillating dangly in the heavenly bode, but now only half
"Oh, blow your cool, man!" he dood this deep thoughcus
"What is the folly of this half disappearing of the moony most?"
And as the light did a scintillating change through timely most
Stopped still, and he did a deep thoughcus, "What?"
Absolutely smashing flaked he was
So gathering all behind in the hintermost
He ploddy-ploddy forward into the deep fundemold of the complicading forry to sort this one out matey
"Where at, man?" He thoucus, "where at, man? Oh dear""

[Bristol Oil Services]

Pivot is a position in basketball, or it used to be when I was at school and played a bit. I played pivot/centre. 

[Open End Numb Legs]

4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Phillips and Rice

I think I can get that at my local Chinese takeaway. 

[Robbored]

2 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Like “proper manager”?

Can’t say I’ve seen Nige use the double pivot but then he may have and I didn’t notice………….

[Zip Nolan]

It's a move I used to use down the Locarno.

[downendcity]

It's on page 36 of the Kama Sutra.

[cityexile]

5 hours ago, Robbored said:

Watching the women’s WC England v Columbia Emma Hayes was co commentator and whist looking at Englands set up mentioned the ‘double pivot’……….That’s  not a term that I’m familiar with. She was just about explain when my phone rang and I missed her explanation………..

I know that there are a few football  enthusiasts on here so could someone explain please?

 

What I have  learn’t from the World Cup commentary is men’s team break and counter attack whereas women’s teams ‘transition’.

Pivot just seems a modern fancy term for defensive midfielder.

 

[glastored]

4 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Short version ...

"Now of course, like all real life experience stories
This also begins once a polly tito
And Happiness Stan, whose life evolved ne' ephemeral colour dreamy most
Had his pure existence and his being a deep joy of the multicolour of the rainbold
Oh yes, his home's a Victoriana charibold, this the four-wheel folloped ft-ft-ft out the backgrove
Now as Eaved and his deep approachey, his eye on the moon
All time some time deep joy of a full moon scintillating dangly in the heavenly bode, but now only half
"Oh, blow your cool, man!" he dood this deep thoughcus
"What is the folly of this half disappearing of the moony most?"
And as the light did a scintillating change through timely most
Stopped still, and he did a deep thoughcus, "What?"
Absolutely smashing flaked he was
So gathering all behind in the hintermost
He ploddy-ploddy forward into the deep fundemold of the complicading forry to sort this one out matey
"Where at, man?" He thoucus, "where at, man? Oh dear""

Brilliant! You’re obviously channelling the great man himself! Perfect! Younger fans would now be totally confused!

[MarcusX]

9 hours ago, Robbored said:

Can’t say I’ve seen Nige use the double pivot but then he may have and I didn’t notice………….

Think you’ve missed the point there…

[AppyDAZE]

9 hours ago, downendcity said:

It's on page 36 of the Kama Sutra.

You can get them in Ann Summers.

[Rocking Red Cyril]

7 hours ago, glastored said:

Brilliant! You’re obviously channelling the great man himself! Perfect! Younger fans would now be totally confused!

Not only younger fans confused

[Robbored]

1 minute ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Not only younger fans confused

Look up Stanley Unwin on YouTube if they don’t know who he was

[Rudolf Hucker]

10 hours ago, downendcity said:

It's on page 36 of the Kama Sutra.

Thank you. Wondered what was on page 36 - some pages of my copy are stuck together. 

[1960maaan]

8 hours ago, glastored said:

Brilliant! You’re obviously channelling the great man himself! Perfect! Younger fans would now be totally confused!

I cheated a little copied and pasted from Small Faces lyrics 

1 hour ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Not only younger fans confused

The man himself , part way through a track from Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake.

 

[Rocking Red Cyril]

39 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I cheated a little copied and pasted from Small Faces lyrics 

The man himself , part way through a track from Ogdens' Nut Gone Flake.

 

Brilliant album. Got that weird circular cover too

[johnbytheriver]

22 hours ago, cityexile said:

What I have  learn’t from the World Cup commentary is men’s team break and counter attack whereas women’s teams ‘transition’.

Pivot just seems a modern fancy term for defensive midfielder.

 

yeah! she uses this term alot,drives me mad

[Red Cloud]

On 14/08/2023 at 16:45, Sir Geoff said:

Phillips and Rice

ahhh not "Chips & Rice" then, now I see