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I know this has been mentioned in several other threads, especially this past few weeks, but what is the reason the team AND the crowd are so lacklustre and uninspiring at home?

We've had all the theories about location of away fans and the home singers and one question keeps cropping up. Do you join in with the singing?

Well one reason maybe is that we don't have song to sing. Where is our identity.what is our song? It's not the bloody "Red red robin" or "Drink up thy cider". Neither of them will inspire the crowd.(and don't even mention "HI ho silver lining")

Most clubs have a club song  , even the Rovers. (Yes I know it's crap but it's theirs)

So come on guys and girls. Surely some one can come up with a Bristol City Anthem that we all know the words to and 15000 plus fans can sing together to lift the mood at home. 

Over to you.

 

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There’s so many facets that go into determining an atmosphere imo. I sit in E30 and unless we’ve just scored or are really knocking on the door I’m often singing alone! Well, maybe 3 or 4 others.

Hopefully recent away performances and results will be reflected in home atmosphere as we’re all a bit happier. Also - as mentioned earlier - the lack of financial backing from big Steve may lead to more love to the very narrow squad we have. No one can ever say they don’t work their balls off for the badge.

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Because we sing songs like “8 men had a dream” which are so flat the away fans would have no idea what any of the words are. We have no ingenuity when it comes to decent chants. A city version of Allez Allez Allez would be good but we recycle the same old tunes season after season and just change the players names. A number of clubs ply HI Ho silver lining right before kick off and that gets belted out. West Brom play the liquidator with some choice lyrics, again very good but we don’t do anything to lift the crowd I’m afraid.

Attacking football would help lift the all round mood of the the stadium but we can’t do much about that. 

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16 minutes ago, Eddie Notgetinya said:

A city version of Allez Allez Allez would be good but we recycle the same old tunes season after season and just change the players names. 

We are bristol city, we come from Ashton Gate, the Cardiff and the rovers, we really f##ing hate, we love to drink the cider, we love to sing and fight, and when we get promotion, we'll sing this song all night.... allez allez allez etc

 

Here you go, it's a good job Robbored is on an extended holiday ?

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47 minutes ago, bissellredhead said:

We are bristol city, we come from Ashton Gate, the Cardiff and the rovers, we really f##ing hate, we love to drink the cider, we love to sing and fight, and when we get promotion, we'll sing this song all night.... allez allez allez etc

 

Here you go, it's a good job Robbored is on an extended holiday ?

That’s actually a banger. For that reason it probably will never take off. Hats off to you though!

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When playing away from home it is (arguably) easier to go at your opposition without fear of reprisal than it is at home. I maintain that we have a squad of mentally weak players, and that shows when we’re at home.

That being said, they deserve all the plaudits for today’s win - let’s keep that momentum going!

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21 minutes ago, OddBallJim said:

When playing away from home it is (arguably) easier to go at your opposition without fear of reprisal than it is at home. I maintain that we have a squad of mentally weak players, and that shows when we’re at home.

That being said, they deserve all the plaudits for today’s win - let’s keep that momentum going!

I wouldn’t say we have a squad of mentally week players as I’d say the atmosphere at grounds like Millwall and Swansea far outweigh a bit of stick they may get from our own fans at the Gate 

We just play better on the counter. Home teams will always set out to win a game and that suits us . We simply struggle at home because teams set up differently and we not smart enough to change our game plan 

We struggle physically too. Birmingham were always going to beat us and I’d argue teams of similar ilk will do the same this season 

Our away form will be better then our home form again this year 

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7 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

I wouldn’t say we have a squad of mentally week players as I’d say the atmosphere at grounds like Millwall and Swansea far outweigh a bit of stick they may get from our own fans at the Gate 

We just play better on the counter. Home teams will always set out to win a game and that suits us . We simply struggle at home because teams set up differently and we not smart enough to change our game plan 

We struggle physically too. Birmingham were always going to beat us and I’d argue teams of similar ilk will do the same this season 

Our away form will be better then our home form again this year 

We have a good midfield but it can lack a bit of variety and craft. More pronounced vs sides like Birmingham at home, whereas on the road a bit more space etc.

Now if we could have hypothetically put Scott and Naismith in it..at home v Preston and Birmingham say and we would likely see a different scenario.

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We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

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Actually most clubs don't have a song, not unique to them anyway. Standards like The Red Red, Robin, Goodnight Irene, Blue Moon, You'll Never Walk Alone etc are all American songs or show tunes whereas Delilah for example is a song made famous by Tom Jones. Stockport County is one example of a side who've adapted a song (the controversial political song The Sash to The Scarf my Father wore). Norwich City (On the Ball City) and Chelsea (Blue is the Colour) might be said to have a song of their own. The closest we have is One for the Bristol City, which I prefer to Drink up thee Zider but it has too many words and verses for many so often gets a weak airing. Perhaps we need a newly penned tune. 

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In the 70s in the East end we used to sing you'll never walk alone and that got everyone going. It is not Liverpool's to own. Of course we were standing then which also helped.I

But for me a good old fashioned one to the tune of tiperarry .

It's a long way to Bristol city, it's a long way to go, it's a long way to Bristol City to the greatest team I know. Goodbye Bristol rovers, farewell Cardiff too, it's a long long way to Bristol City but out hearts with you.

 

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41 minutes ago, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

Never heard it in the Lansdown.?

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2 hours ago, pogue malone said:

Last 5 or so seasons we have lost a lot of home matches and drawn quite a few,. dropping 25 + pts a season. Side ways football and hardly any play to cheer at, fans need to be excited, i prefer to watch us play away from home

 

Exactly. For a few years now I feel our game/players eg. Bell and Sykes,  has been suited to playing away. When teams sit off of us at AG a bit we really struggle to make any impression at all. It’s dull to watch and I think it  has plenty to do with the below par atmosphere . 

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1 hour ago, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

I remember that when I first started going in the 80’s. Absolutely loved that one. 

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1 hour ago, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

What’s the story behind that song? It’s so specific - there must be a reason  

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38 minutes ago, marmite said:

Never heard it in the Lansdown.?

The Lansdown stand is horrible for atmosphere. It’s enormous and filled with non-singers.

That, plus the away fans being as physically far away from vocal home fans as possible = poor atmosphere. It’s such a shame because those in the corner do try.

The club had opportunity to get this right - the way to do that was to put away fans in the closest blocks to the Atyeo in the Lansdown or Dolman.. and give the entire Atyeo to vocal home fans.

I’d bet pretty much anything that if they’d done that and allowed the culture to grow in the home end - the atmosphere would be unrecognisable.

I believe that ‘the club’ don’t really want that though. They believe that atmosphere, or at least the more typical terrace culture atmosphere, = trouble. The club want families and more of a rugby clientele.. people who will drink at the ground and buy from the club shop. 

I think most of us know that positive home atmosphere contributes to the likelihood of good results. It’s such a shame the club have never really agreed.. and dragged their feet the entire time.

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41 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

The Lansdown stand is horrible for atmosphere. It’s enormous and filled with non-singers.

That, plus the away fans being as physically far away from vocal home fans as possible = poor atmosphere. It’s such a shame because those in the corner do try.

The club had opportunity to get this right - the way to do that was to put away fans in the closest blocks to the Atyeo in the Lansdown or Dolman.. and give the entire Atyeo to vocal home fans.

I’d bet pretty much anything that if they’d done that and allowed the culture to grow in the home end - the atmosphere would be unrecognisable.

I believe that ‘the club’ don’t really want that though. They believe that atmosphere, or at least the more typical terrace culture atmosphere, = trouble. The club want families and more of a rugby clientele.. people who will drink at the ground and buy from the club shop. 

I think most of us know that positive home atmosphere contributes to the likelihood of good results. It’s such a shame the club have never really agreed.. and dragged their feet the entire time.

A certain Safety body are probably quite difficult in this respect, even though I do tend to agree with your post.

All lights being kept on at night , a bone of contention for many appears to be at their behest e.g. as per the 2014 stuff in the public domain.

The Lansdown is always going to be that way. Very pricy tickets, kids in the Upper and directors and corporates. It's a bit of a lost cause for atmosphere, I wrote it off some time ago for this.

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32 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

The Lansdown stand is horrible for atmosphere. It’s enormous and filled with non-singers.

That, plus the away fans being as physically far away from vocal home fans as possible = poor atmosphere. It’s such a shame because those in the corner do try.

The club had opportunity to get this right - the way to do that was to put away fans in the closest blocks to the Atyeo in the Lansdown or Dolman.. and give the entire Atyeo to vocal home fans.

I’d bet pretty much anything that if they’d done that and allowed the culture to grow in the home end - the atmosphere would be unrecognisable.

I believe that ‘the club’ don’t really want that though. They believe that atmosphere, or at least the more typical terrace culture atmosphere, = trouble. The club want families and more of a rugby clientele.. people who will drink at the ground and buy from the club shop. 

I think most of us know that positive home atmosphere contributes to the likelihood of good results. It’s such a shame the club have never really agreed.. and dragged their feet the entire time.

You're right about the atmosphere in the Lansdown. I've been there since it was built and apart from the high profile cup games, when admittedly there were non season ticket holders in there , its as flat as can be. The singing reaches us but we can't make out the words or the tune sometimes. It was probably built that way with the singing section in the far corner, as the corporate boxes are behind us with all the suits and directors.

I just feel we need a proper anthem belted out just before ko that we all know and can join in. The players will hear it in the tunnel and it may just give them, and us, an extra lift.

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2 hours ago, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

Used to be brilliant and could go on for ages, even just the Ooohhhh 

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1 minute ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

As much as I hate the Gas, having an anthem brings a closeness in a fan base. Been on a few stag dos with Gas lads and as soon as they pipe up about “Irene” they all join in and people who don’t know us take notice 

Arsenal reckoned they had the same problem as is being suggested here and birthed one up out of nowhere last season. Now the whole stadium joins in on match days. Maybe a similar campaign here? Any City fan artists kicking about at the moment? 

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1 hour ago, DJI said:

In the 70s in the East end we used to sing you'll never walk alone and that got everyone going. It is not Liverpool's to own. Of course we were standing then which also helped.I

But for me a good old fashioned one to the tune of tiperarry .

It's a long way to Bristol city, it's a long way to go, it's a long way to Bristol City to the greatest team I know. Goodbye Bristol rovers, farewell Cardiff too, it's a long long way to Bristol City but out hearts with you.

 

In the EE in the ‘70s we also used used to sing ‘I’m forever blowing bubbles” and more bizarrely “H’way the lads” !!!!

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When Nige came in we could barely string a pass together so had to set us up as a counterattacking team (best system with what we had) This is ideally better as a away side tactic 

Over time we are gradually becoming a better possession side but I think we are still in transition to get this right at home - we really need to be patient as fans, as pressure is always on the home side to attack 

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2 hours ago, DJI said:

In the 70s in the East end we used to sing you'll never walk alone and that got everyone going. It is not Liverpool's to own. Of course we were standing then which also helped.I

But for me a good old fashioned one to the tune of tiperarry .

It's a long way to Bristol city, it's a long way to go, it's a long way to Bristol City to the greatest team I know. Goodbye Bristol rovers, farewell Cardiff too, it's a long long way to Bristol City but out hearts with you.

 

I'd be 100% in favour of us singing "You'll never walk alone" to our team just before they entered the pitch. Many teams share anthems and that one's right up there to make the hairs on your neck stand up. Let the players know we are with them. The words could be put on the screen (if needed). I bet 90% would join in.

Doesn't do Liverpool any harm at home!

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5 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

The Lansdown stand is horrible for atmosphere. It’s enormous and filled with non-singers.

That, plus the away fans being as physically far away from vocal home fans as possible = poor atmosphere. It’s such a shame because those in the corner do try.

The club had opportunity to get this right - the way to do that was to put away fans in the closest blocks to the Atyeo in the Lansdown or Dolman.. and give the entire Atyeo to vocal home fans.

I’d bet pretty much anything that if they’d done that and allowed the culture to grow in the home end - the atmosphere would be unrecognisable.

I believe that ‘the club’ don’t really want that though. They believe that atmosphere, or at least the more typical terrace culture atmosphere, = trouble. The club want families and more of a rugby clientele.. people who will drink at the ground and buy from the club shop. 

I think most of us know that positive home atmosphere contributes to the likelihood of good results. It’s such a shame the club have never really agreed.. and dragged their feet the entire time.

Total agreement. Give the Atyeo back to home fans . Singing from both ends.

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6 hours ago, DJI said:

In the 70s in the East end we used to sing you'll never walk alone and that got everyone going. It is not Liverpool's to own. Of course we were standing then which also helped.I

But for me a good old fashioned one to the tune of tiperarry .

It's a long way to Bristol city, it's a long way to go, it's a long way to Bristol City to the greatest team I know. Goodbye Bristol rovers, farewell Cardiff too, it's a long long way to Bristol City but out hearts with you.

 

I remember those year well. My first home match was around 1970 with my dad right behind the goal in the center of the east end. After a few seasons we usually located in the corner of the east end adjacent to the Dolman. The atmosphere in those days was absolutely brilliant.

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It would be great if we could all join in a rousing club anthem that fully encapsulates our history, is unique and will become instantly recognisable as Bristol City.

Now, who's club anthem shall we nick?

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11 hours ago, BS3 Ark at Ee said:

As much as I hate the Gas, having an anthem brings a closeness in a fan base. Been on a few stag dos with Gas lads and as soon as they pipe up about “Irene” they all join in and people who don’t know us take notice 

We have an Anthem "Drink up thy Cider" Always been our song. Still, remember the Sunderland game first home win in the 1st div. the whole ground sang it.

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1 minute ago, Ciderhead433 said:

We have an Anthem "Drink up thy Cider" Always been our song. Still, remember the Sunderland game first home win in the 1st div. the whole ground sang it.

4-1 on that day. That was our fourth match of that season. "Drink up thy Cider" will aways be synonymous with Bristol City.

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I'm lucky enough to remember the good old day's behind the goal in the East End. There were about 8 of us that used to go and we'd be on the natch at 11:00 after having a Full English in the cafe. By the time we got to the ground we were steaming and from the minute we got in we were singing our rollicks off. I'm an introvert by nature so I suppose it was all down to the booze, likewise it took 10 pints to get on a dance floor in a nightclub and turn into John Travolta.

Ashton Gate now a days is like a morgue in comparisons, and with a mixture of elderly people, and with the youngsters not into drinking anymore IMO it's not helped with the atmosphere. We used have singers in all parts, even in the Williams stand :laugh:

With regards to songs not much has changed really apart from songs for individual players.

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13 minutes ago, Mad Cyril said:

It would be great if we could all join in a rousing club anthem that fully encapsulates our history, is unique and will become instantly recognisable as Bristol City.

Now, who's club anthem shall we nick?

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Anybodys that works. They don't own the rights. Drink up thy cider doesn't work any more. That's why the atmosphere is flat. It may sound good if you are in the middle of 500 people singing it but it doesn't spread round the ground. Of course the atmosphere was better in the 70s. We were mostly all standing then. You don't sing when you're sitting down. We are not all Val Doonicans. (Ask your dad)

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It's not songs as such that AG needs, it is firstly enough people responding vocally to what they are seeing in front of them. And what we have seen in 180 minutes thus far is two shots on target.

Do Leeds have a fervent atmosphere because their team really have a go at home, or vice versa? I think what Leeds fans would do if their team was as plodding and timid as ours at home is get irritable and impatient, they'd get cross and demand energy and intent. We just sit there, staring silently ahead.

But does Nige want us haring about all over the pitch like Leeds at Elland Road getting at teams leaving acres of space behind?

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1 hour ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

It's not songs as such that AG needs, it is firstly enough people responding vocally to what they are seeing in front of them. And what we have seen in 180 minutes thus far is two shots on target.

Do Leeds have a fervent atmosphere because their team really have a go at home, or vice versa? I think what Leeds fans would do if their team was as plodding and timid as ours at home is get irritable and impatient, they'd get cross and demand energy and intent. We just sit there, staring silently ahead.

But does Nige want us haring about all over the pitch like Leeds at Elland Road getting at teams leaving acres of space behind?

It's  the chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first  , performance or atmosphere. That's why we need to get the players syched up before they come out. 

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16 hours ago, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

Good shout. Simple lyrics which helps. Been sung for best part of 40 years too.

‘We Always Believe’ was also sung well in the GJ/Basso era because it was easy for people to join in (and we were doing well of course).

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2 hours ago, marmite said:

It's  the chicken and egg scenario. Which comes first  , performance or atmosphere. That's why we need to get the players syched up before they come out. 

Support should be there especially if we are losing, the last thing the players need is the fans on their backs! 

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49 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I have to say, the placement of the singing section means that even from where I am - about three blocks along in the Dolman - you can't actually make out most of what's being sung, unless it's something very trad.  That doesn't help. 

Placement of the section and cheap tickets doesn’t help at all. Section is full of teenagers hardly watching the game let alone singing! 

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Old chants were at times a lot less fancy and complex than they can be now. That helps to get the wider crowd involved.

Saw some highlights from a First Division game a few years ago. Home side might have been Middlesbrough and they thrashed the opposition.

2-0 up..the chant I heard was

"2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil!

"2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil!"

They got a third and guess what the chant that was most prominent was.

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4 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Old chants were at times a lot less fancy and complex than they can be now. That helps to get the wider crowd involved.

Saw some highlights from a First Division game a few years ago. Home side might have been Middlesbrough and they thrashed the opposition.

2-0 up..the chant I heard was

"2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil!

"2-nil, 2-nil, 2-nil!"

They got a third and guess what the chant that was most prominent was.

When the opposition scored back then, a popular response was: "you're gonna get yer ****ing heads kicked in!" Great atmosphere in those days .....

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1 hour ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

When the opposition scored back then, a popular response was: "you're gonna get yer ****ing heads kicked in!" Great atmosphere in those days .....

Yes heard that one too!

My point is you don't get crowds these days simply chanting the winning margin. What has changed?

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5 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Barrristol! That used to make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up when a packed out and fired up EE chanted it.

Agree mate.. Don’t hear any of the old songs anymore, not heard ‘Barrisstoll’! In ******* years to be honest, class when the EE used to belt that out as you said. 

Feels like section 82 needs a few more older heads in amongst them. Too many young’uns for me. 

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Unfortunately, we have zero talent in S32 to create unique and original songs.  They don't even seem to copy good ones.  Really monotone dull ones that have no passion. 

Clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have some great songsmith and a way to get these songs known by supporters.  Appreciate they have many many more fans to draw on, but surely S32 could come up with one decent effort?  

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On 02/09/2023 at 20:24, Phileas Fogg said:

What’s the story behind that song? It’s so specific - there must be a reason  

Back in the day you had the official coaches to away games.

And you had unofficial coaches that went from The Bloomer/Sandringham/Rising Sun.

Those that know will know what sort of chaps went on them unofficial coaches.

Where these chaps went you would hear Tom Thumb from about 84 onwards.

Hear it outside the ground .. You might hear OB sirens as well.

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11 hours ago, Red Skin said:

Unfortunately, we have zero talent in S32 to create unique and original songs.  They don't even seem to copy good ones.  Really monotone dull ones that have no passion. 

Clubs like Liverpool and Man Utd have some great songsmith and a way to get these songs known by supporters.  Appreciate they have many many more fans to draw on, but surely S32 could come up with one decent effort?  

These conversations have been happening on repeat since the rebuild and there’s one common denominator throughout that time - us!
 

We are perfectly capable of creating a good atmosphere. But we need to organise and put a bit of effort in on match days. A Block seemed to be the turning point and for the first few games the atmosphere was really improved. This also proved the club are willing to, if not work with us, turn a blind eye to such movements. But it fizzled out fast, there was even some (understandable) backlash to it from within our own fan base and this all leaves me wondering whether there’s actually enough appetite to turn it around, or whether we’re the type of fan base who puts atmosphere down as a priority anymore. Perhaps we are just used to comfortable, modern, sleepy Ashton Gate and aren’t that bothered about getting embarrassed by away support every week. 

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On 02/09/2023 at 17:14, CityCiderEd said:

When I used to go to the gate I named our fans the "10 second chanters"...... Very rarely heard one last longer. 

You obviously didn’t hear City fans singing “One man went to burn a Twerton” back in the 80s & 90s. That went on for circa 5 minutes!!! AG today is a soulless ground with next to no atmosphere. Always liked the older compact grounds.

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On 02/09/2023 at 19:03, beaverface said:

We have a ready made chant, and imo, up there with the mighty Millwall roar, I give you.. 

...the Doobie doobie doo song, otherwise known as the Tom Thumb theme tune.

It's simple, clean language, and causes a loud "Ohhhhh" or roar when done properly, and even better, it's unique to us ?

Great shout.

Back in the 80s, chaos usually reigned just after the song. Remember going back to Exeter on a private coach after Plymouth away. All 50 odd of us went in to this pub - Doobie, doobie - started. Noone from Exeter knew what the hell was going on. Ashby dela Zouch was another regular stop off on the way back from games up North.

Great days. I lived to tell the tale!

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