U21s v Ipswich

[Northern Red]

City won 2-0, goals from Leeson and Pearson. TGH, Roberts, Mehmeti and Yeboah all played an hour.

[Bristol_South_End]

Anyone have any idea who the trialist may have been?

[Silvio Dante]

Just now, Bristol_South_End said:

Anyone have any idea who the trialist may have been?

According to the evening post, was very tall, got caught offside and was hooked at half time.

Welcome Bas Savage.

[DCT10]

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/aston-villa-bristol-city-ipswich-8778656

[WarksRobin]

8 minutes ago, Bristol_South_End said:

Anyone have any idea who the trialist may have been?

Caleb Chukwuemeka

[Major Isewater]

28 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Caleb Chukwuemeka

Thanks.

He gets knocked down but he gets up again…

[phantom]

34 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

Caleb Chukwuemeka

[Rocking Red Cyril]

51 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Thanks.

He gets knocked down but he gets up again…

Is he first 11 ready?

[Silvio Dante]

6 minutes ago, Rocking Red Cyril said:

Is he first 11 ready?

My guess would be not looking at his career history, the fact he was hooked at half time and Niges prior statements about when he expects players to be in or around the first team. I’d be surprised if this was a goer.

[petehinton]

22 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

My guess would be not looking at his career history, the fact he was hooked at half time and Niges prior statements about when he expects players to be in or around the first team. I’d be surprised if this was a goer.

 

1 hour ago, phantom said:

Which is why I get so defensive and over zealous about how absolutely crazy our academy to first team effectiveness has been since Pearson came in.
 

Benarous 20, Bell 21, Conway 21, Yeboah 17….all making/made huge strides in the first team already - we are almost just getting used to it because of how regularly a new name pops up and fits in so seamlessly, but it really really isn’t ‘normal’ - especially not for us. 

[Silvio Dante]

2 minutes ago, petehinton said:

 

Which is why I get so defensive and over zealous about how absolutely crazy our academy to first team effectiveness has been since Pearson came in.
 

Benarous 20, Bell 21, Conway 21, Yeboah 17….all making/made huge strides in the first team already - we are almost just getting used to it because of how regularly a new name pops up and fits in so seamlessly, but it really really isn’t ‘normal’ - especially not for us. 

I 100% agree, and this is where I think SL has shown a real blind spot (yes, back to the “nest egg” comment).

The pathway to the first team of younger academy players - and improvement in players like Zak - under Nige is insane. When you see so many coming through, there is a tendency to think “well this is the norm” - so in Steve’s eyes, Semenyo for £10m, Scott for £25m - well we then have Conway who can go for £x, Bell who can go for £y and Yeboah who can go for £z. And that leads to his “we can sell one a year” comment - he’s now become used to players coming from £0 and potentially being sold for millions, both in the actual and potential sales.

If anything, and this is an angle I’ve not considered before, has Nige done too well and our owner now considers an exception normal because of how well NP has brought players through?

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

I 100% agree, and this is where I think SL has shown a real blind spot (yes, back to the “nest egg” comment).

The pathway to the first team of younger academy players - and improvement in players like Zak - under Nige is insane. When you see so many coming through, there is a tendency to think “well this is the norm” - so in Steve’s eyes, Semenyo for £10m, Scott for £25m - well we then have Conway who can go for £x, Bell who can go for £y and Yeboah who can go for £z. And that leads to his “we can sell one a year” comment - he’s now become used to players coming from £0 and potentially being sold for millions, both in the actual and potential sales.

If anything, and this is an angle I’ve not considered before, has Nige done too well and our owner now considers an exception normal because of how well NP has brought players through?

You need to get out more!

[Lrrr]

On Chukwuemeka it would be a no for me, bar one or two flashes he was hardly a standout in league 2 and at 21 or 22 in Jan he doesn't have enough imo.

[Malago]

 

[Port Said Red]

Why was this game at the Gate?

[View from the Dolman]

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Why was this game at the Gate?

"Each club must host at least five league matches at their main stadium during the course of the season, which helps to enhance the matchday experience for the young players and fans." 

[GrahamC]

4 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I 100% agree, and this is where I think SL has shown a real blind spot (yes, back to the “nest egg” comment).

The pathway to the first team of younger academy players - and improvement in players like Zak - under Nige is insane. When you see so many coming through, there is a tendency to think “well this is the norm” - so in Steve’s eyes, Semenyo for £10m, Scott for £25m - well we then have Conway who can go for £x, Bell who can go for £y and Yeboah who can go for £z. And that leads to his “we can sell one a year” comment - he’s now become used to players coming from £0 and potentially being sold for millions, both in the actual and potential sales.

If anything, and this is an angle I’ve not considered before, has Nige done too well and our owner now considers an exception normal because of how well NP has brought players through?

Just further evidence of how little SL understands about football.

When you consider how long he’s been involved with us this is both incredible & depressing.

[Phileas Fogg]

I would say that, pound for pound, we have an argument for having the best academy "pathway" outside of the Prem at the moment.

I always remember when we would be envious of Southampton and Cardiff's successes with young players in recent years

[mozo]

19 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

If anything, and this is an angle I’ve not considered before, has Nige done too well and our owner now considers an exception normal because of how well NP has brought players through?

Is it not Nige's remit, set by SL, that we need to rely more on the pathway? 

We don't who set the expectation here?

[Silvio Dante]

28 minutes ago, mozo said:

Is it not Nige's remit, set by SL, that we need to rely more on the pathway? 

We don't who set the expectation here?

I agree, and I think he’s been delivering in spades.

My point is that he’s delivered a pathway that is beyond expectations. As a result, the owner has now seen exceptional as normal - hence “expecting” a sale akin to Semenyo or Scott every year with equal quality coming through to replace.

Put simply, if Nige (and Tinns) hadn’t brought through the players they have I’d bet Lansdowns hand would be in his pocket willingly at this stage. Had it just been Scott, he’d have seen it as a one off. He now seems to expect a new £10m academy player every year from his comments.

[Davefevs]

20 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I 100% agree, and this is where I think SL has shown a real blind spot (yes, back to the “nest egg” comment).

The pathway to the first team of younger academy players - and improvement in players like Zak - under Nige is insane. When you see so many coming through, there is a tendency to think “well this is the norm” - so in Steve’s eyes, Semenyo for £10m, Scott for £25m - well we then have Conway who can go for £x, Bell who can go for £y and Yeboah who can go for £z. And that leads to his “we can sell one a year” comment - he’s now become used to players coming from £0 and potentially being sold for millions, both in the actual and potential sales.

If anything, and this is an angle I’ve not considered before, has Nige done too well and our owner now considers an exception normal because of how well NP has brought players through?

What owners don’t understand / think about is when you sell a Scott or Semenyo, who replaces them.  If you replace them with Academy, then the conveyor belt keeps on rolling.  However if you replace with signings, even ones like Knight, that’s 1) one less off the conveyor belt and 2) it’s not all profit either.

The good thing is to have a nice balance.

Achieving that is difficult.

Even with 20 man match days squads we are actually naming less Academy players this season.  Some of that due to injury (Conway) some due to sales (Scott).

[mozo]

10 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I agree, and I think he’s been delivering in spades.

My point is that he’s delivered a pathway that is beyond expectations. As a result, the owner has now seen exceptional as normal - hence “expecting” a sale akin to Semenyo or Scott every year with equal quality coming through to replace.

Put simply, if Nige (and Tinns) hadn’t brought through the players they have I’d bet Lansdowns hand would be in his pocket willingly at this stage. Had it just been Scott, he’d have seen it as a one off. He now seems to expect a new £10m academy player every year from his comments.

Yeah, agree, was just playing devil's advocate.

[GrahamC]

Bit of a tangent but surprised no one has highlighted that young Nelson is on the bench for the first team but doesn’t ever play for the 21s.

He’s not injured but I was told there is a specific reason for this.

With Zak now injured & Weimann back far more logical to me to have Knight-Lebel on the bench instead as defensive cover but Nige clearly has his own reasons.

[petehinton]

Anyone know/heard of the 21s game against Spurs on Monday at the HPC will have fans allowed up to it? Keen to go up for it. 

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Anyone know/heard of the 21s game against Spurs on Monday at the HPC will have fans allowed up to it? Keen to go up for it. 

Just call Supporter Services and request a ticket.

[alexukhc]

7 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Anyone know/heard of the 21s game against Spurs on Monday at the HPC will have fans allowed up to it? Keen to go up for it. 

Hopefully they aren’t playing Jamie Donley

[petehinton]

FYI spoke to Jerry and they are allowing supporters, can just rock up don’t need a ticket. 

[Northern Red]

 

[Maldini]

On 27/09/2023 at 07:26, GrahamC said:

Bit of a tangent but surprised no one has highlighted that young Nelson is on the bench for the first team but doesn’t ever play for the 21s.

He’s not injured but I was told there is a specific reason for this.

With Zak now injured & Weimann back far more logical to me to have Knight-Lebel on the bench instead as defensive cover but Nige clearly has his own reasons.

Can you reveal the specific reason? 

[alexukhc]

Will it be on robins tv?