redkev Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 We are around or possibly in the play off positions would Lord Steven open thee old wallet a little if needed ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 Yawn....been done to death on other threads. Put these two well known words together to make a well known saying...egg nest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, redkev said: We are around or possibly in the play off positions would Lord Steven open thee old wallet a little if needed ? I get the feeling that he thinks he's put enough money into the football club already and doesn't intend to put any more in. Also bear in mind the HL shares he has left are only worth about a third of what they were a few years back. Is it just my imagination or haven't we seen a lot of him or his son lately either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted September 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: I get the feeling that he thinks he's put enough money into the football club already and doesn't intend to put any more in. Also bear in mind the HL shares he has left are only worth about a third of what they were a few years back. Is it just my imagination or haven't we seen a lot of him or his son lately either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 I mentioned this on a thread recently...I honestly don't believe SL would spend. I look at Luton and Sheff Utd and see them struggle now promoted. I fear we would fair even worse. Whilst people say we are a premier team in waiting with great infrastructure, training facilities, good manager... I wouldn't trust the owner to spend or make the right decisions to stay up. How much do you make when getting promoted... https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/11/championship-play-offs-2023-how-much-winners-earn-for-premier-league-promotion-18766573/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said: Yawn....been done to death on other threads. Put these two well known words together to make a well known saying...egg nest. I was just thinking the same . . . .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolBEAT Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 If 2008 proves anything...he won't. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 57 minutes ago, spudski said: I mentioned this on a thread recently...I honestly don't believe SL would spend. I look at Luton and Sheff Utd and see them struggle now promoted. I fear we would fair even worse. Whilst people say we are a premier team in waiting with great infrastructure, training facilities, good manager... I wouldn't trust the owner to spend or make the right decisions to stay up. How much do you make when getting promoted... https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/11/championship-play-offs-2023-how-much-winners-earn-for-premier-league-promotion-18766573/ Agree, apart from the fairing worse bit. Both are going to really struggle & are nailed on to return. If we did get there (not expecting that in my lifetime) realistically we’d probably do equally badly but it is unlikely we could do any worse than losing 8-0 at home like Sheff U did or relying on penalties & getting opposition players sent off, like Luton do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Monaghan Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 This forum is a horrible place at times isn’t it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted September 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: This forum is a horrible place at times isn’t it. Get on gaschat that’s another level , oh and very entertaining when they have lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbcfc Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 3 hours ago, redkev said: We are around or possibly in the play off positions would Lord Steven open thee old wallet a little if needed ? the last time we were in a position to go up - did he open his wallet then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: This forum is a horrible place at times isn’t it. It's a valid question, capitalise when the going is good or not. In 2007-08 we did not. At other times we have spent freely and possibly without an overarching strategy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 norwich seem to do alright,up and down like irenes knickers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: norwich seem to do alright,up and down like irenes knickers Good old Parachute Payments and PL cash. The key question is what happens if they don't go up this year- as this is their 2nd and final season. As far as these clubs go they cut their cloth quite well but their model has not truly been tretrd yet. See also Fulham and Bournemouth who usually get up in time plus spend big. Indeed to add, for them and Watford they currently are on the £61m 3 year loss limit plus allowables and in their 2nd and final year of Parachute Payments. Should they stay down, that falls to £39m...and their Parachute Payments plus Championship TV cash falls to Solidarity Payments plus Championship TV cash. By way of example Norwich, following their 2010-11 promotion. 2011-12...PL cash 2012-13...PL cash 2013-14...PL cash- Relegated 2014-15...Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- Won playoffs, instant return. 2015-16...PL cash- Relegated. 2016-17..Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2017-18..Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2018-19...Championship cash plus Solidarity Payments- Promoted! As Champions. 2019-20- PL cash- Relegated 2020-21- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- Promoted! As Champions. 2021-22- PL cash- relegated. 2022-23- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2023-24- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- ?? Edited September 28, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbcfc Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: It's a valid question, capitalise when the going is good or not. In 2007-08 we did not. At other times we have spent freely and possibly without an overarching strategy. 2017-18 also - playing well but a thin squad and awful form in january. we reacted by signing a goalless striker and an unproven winger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, jbcfc said: 2017-18 also - playing well but a thin squad and awful form in january. we reacted by signing a goalless striker and an unproven winger. On paper at time of signing they didn't seem terrible signings. There were FFP considerations in 2018 because they did check Projected Accounts added to the actual 2 last seasons accounts in March for all clubs and we had to stay within that £39m. What we did spend we could have spent better.. but again hindsight to an extent as on paper a PL loanee wide player, a Ligue 1 striker and a young PL midfielder with promise looked okay. Edited September 28, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, jbcfc said: 2017-18 also - playing well but a thin squad and awful form in january. we reacted by signing a goalless striker and an unproven winger. Not sure it was a thin squad really, but certainly overplayed Smith and Pack in CM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Good old Parachute Payments and PL cash. The key question is what happens if they don't go up this year- as this is their 2nd and final season. As far as these clubs go they cut their cloth quite well but their model has not truly been tretrd yet. See also Fulham and Bournemouth who usually get up in time plus spend big. Indeed to add, for them and Watford they currently are on the £61m 3 year loss limit plus allowables and in their 2nd and final year of Parachute Payments. Should they stay down, that falls to £39m...and their Parachute Payments plus Championship TV cash falls to Solidarity Payments plus Championship TV cash. By way of example Norwich, following their 2010-11 promotion. 2011-12...PL cash 2012-13...PL cash 2013-14...PL cash- Relegated 2014-15...Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- Won playoffs, instant return. 2015-16...PL cash- Relegated. 2016-17..Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2017-18..Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2018-19...Championship cash plus Solidarity Payments- Promoted! As Champions. 2019-20- PL cash- Relegated 2020-21- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- Promoted! As Champions. 2021-22- PL cash- relegated. 2022-23- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments. 2023-24- Championship cash plus Parachute Payments- ?? I would really like to see tWatford have to compete without parachute payments. Their Italian owners have got away with enough of circumnavigating some of the transfer rules, IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: I would really like to see tWatford have to compete without parachute payments. Their Italian owners have got away with enough of circumnavigating some of the transfer rules, IMO. Yes agreed. Fulham kinda irk me more in one way as they brought their way up under Al Fayed and since then have had PL or Parachute cash unbroken from 2001-02 to present. Bournemouth given the nature of their 2015 promotion. Those two without Parachute Payments would also be excellent or onto a year whereby the FFP margins close sharply. Albeit Watford have also sold some to the benefit of Udinese- I would argue most notably Pererya and Deulofeu in 2020. They are also under investigation for their 2022 transaction of a sale and loan back of Kamara. Edited September 28, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Yawn....been done to death on other threads. Put these two well known words together to make a well known saying...egg nest. Wait theres an Easter transfer window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted September 28, 2023 Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 Not everybody reads this forum regularly, just saying… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted September 28, 2023 Admin Report Share Posted September 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: Not everybody reads this forum regularly, just saying… Sadly the very vast majority don't use the search facility either 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cityboy1954 Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 18 hours ago, jbcfc said: the last time we were in a position to go up - did he open his wallet then? He did ask johnson if he wanted another striker but he said im Happy with my family . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) I’m not sure he’d go too mad with his spending if we got promoted, never mind looking like we might. Edited September 29, 2023 by ralphindevon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 21 hours ago, BristolBEAT said: If 2008 proves anything...he won't. I was wondering with the power of hindsight and probably now realising it was a big mistake in 2008 not to push the boat out would he want to make the same mistake again? I'm not so sure he would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 16 hours ago, phantom said: Sadly the very vast majority don't use the search facility either There are only a finite number of things we can discuss on here, it's inevitable the same topics will crop up from time to time, but yes this one has had more than its fair share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 29, 2023 Report Share Posted September 29, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, pillred said: I was wondering with the power of hindsight and probably now realising it was a big mistake in 2008 not to push the boat out would he want to make the same mistake again? I'm not so sure he would. I agree about 2008 and hope you are correct if we are in a strong position come January. Edited September 29, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 (edited) On 28/09/2023 at 23:56, phantom said: Sadly the very vast majority don't use the search facility either You’re suggesting that before anyone starts any topic about anything, they should do a search to see if something similar has been posted before? I don’t think most people operate that way, and as a forum moderator, I don’t think it’s appropriate for you to make passive aggressive comments towards users. You seem to do this often. Edited September 30, 2023 by Wanderingred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 They way some people talk it’s as if they think Mr Lansdown somehow needs the money to add to his couple of billion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 30, 2023 Report Share Posted September 30, 2023 Dont worry as we are currently closer points wise, to the bottom 6 than the top 6....no chance..either way...down or up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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