Never to the dark side Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 I hope not 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Teams / players should bang out of order no doubt FIFA thinking about ££££ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 I'm not surprised if they are preparing Russia's reintroduction, given that it appears the USA is starting to show signs of getting bored with funding Zelensky. Sorry for the politics, but there it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Let them win the world cup. Allow Putin take the applause then arrest the bar steward and take him to The Hague to be tried for genocide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) I would be surprised if any country barring North Korea or China would play them, I sincerely hope that no European country would. Edited October 4, 2023 by pillred 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 They'll probably have to play in Asia if they return as I doubt many in UEFA would be willing to play them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Just now, 2015 said: They'll probably have to play in Asia if they return as I doubt many in UEFA would be willing to play them. Belarus would, probably Serbia & Hungary too, I wouldn’t put my house on the likes of Azerbaijan, Georgia or several others in that part of Europe saying no. Slovakia’s election result this week (a big concern for very many on here, I bet) makes them more likely to do so. This could get really messy, several countries like Sweden & the 3 Baltic states have already said they would refuse & would withdraw rather play them. Just extend the ban until the war is resolved. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Now been announced; wear neutral shirts, not national ones. No playing of their anthem and refer to them as something like "football players from Russia" A precedent was Russian Olympic Athletes in the last Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcredandwhite Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 This is an interesting and thought provoking thread. At first it seems obvious; what Russia is up to in Ukraine is abominable and the world should ban them from everything. However, sport is supposed to be non-political. Their players are playing football not attacking Ukrainian villages. I kind of agree with what UEFA are doing in this case - allowing the athletes to compete but not under the flag of an aggressive regime. Genuinely undecided on this but my initial thoughts are above. Absolutely open to challenges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 I would hope we (England) refuse to play them. I also would hope that they don't receive a rouble from sponsorship or prize money. So we seem to have gone from Saudi sports washing to Russian war washing. Not for me. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, bcfcredandwhite said: This is an interesting and thought provoking thread. At first it seems obvious; what Russia is up to in Ukraine is abominable and the world should ban them from everything. However, sport is supposed to be non-political. Their players are playing football not attacking Ukrainian villages. I kind of agree with what UEFA are doing in this case - allowing the athletes to compete but not under the flag of an aggressive regime. Genuinely undecided on this but my initial thoughts are above. Absolutely open to challenges. It's supposed to be a punishment, despite playing under a neutral flag do you really think someone like Putrid won't use it as propaganda and say to the ordinary people of Russia look the world has forgiven us? at least at the moment, there is some kind of sanction for the abominable things they have done to a poor innocent country, what does this tell the people of Ukraine? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Shouldn't be countenanced while the war is ongoing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 Mixed views on this. Other sports have already done similar and allowed Russian athletes to return. I’d hope there would be no punishment for any team refusing to play them / refusing to travel to Russia. Theres a part of me that thinks other countries have done things and not received such sanctions but that’s not for here. Ultimately though if you’ve taken the decision to ban them because of the war then I don’t see the justification for going back on that while the war shows no signs of ending. What was the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted October 4, 2023 Report Share Posted October 4, 2023 The money making just gets sicker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 Shouldn't be allowed to participate until every last Russian soldier leaves Ukrainian sovereign territory. 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobtherobin Posted October 5, 2023 Report Share Posted October 5, 2023 On 04/10/2023 at 16:30, GrahamC said: Belarus would, probably Serbia & Hungary too, I wouldn’t put my house on the likes of Azerbaijan, Georgia or several others in that part of Europe saying no. Slovakia’s election result this week (a big concern for very many on here, I bet) makes them more likely to do so. This could get really messy, several countries like Sweden & the 3 Baltic states have already said they would refuse & would withdraw rather play them. Just extend the ban until the war is resolved. Georgia? Maybe do a bit more research before commenting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ryan said: Georgia? Maybe do a bit more research before commenting. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/24/where-is-the-logic-georgia-will-not-sanction-russia-says-pm https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/18/georgians-dream-of-eu-membership-as-their-leaders-move-closer-to-putin Edited October 6, 2023 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 04/10/2023 at 17:08, bcfcredandwhite said: This is an interesting and thought provoking thread. At first it seems obvious; what Russia is up to in Ukraine is abominable and the world should ban them from everything. However, sport is supposed to be non-political. Their players are playing football not attacking Ukrainian villages. I kind of agree with what UEFA are doing in this case - allowing the athletes to compete but not under the flag of an aggressive regime. Genuinely undecided on this but my initial thoughts are above. Absolutely open to challenges. I think lots of people would agree in principle that politics and sports should be separate and that the players and coaches don't deserve to be punished. In practice it's a lot more messy. It's important for the international community to make a clear message that military invasions will be punished with a comprehensive exclusion from the benefits of that community. If you make exceptions the response isn't comprehensive and deterrent (this now setting the precedent). So, I think it's fine to feel conflicted, but I see a justification here for many institutions to prejudice Russian participants, especially whereby they are given a platform to celebrate their nationalism, and potentially the war. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billio Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 04/10/2023 at 18:18, Sir Geoff said: I would hope we (England) refuse to play them. I also would hope that they don't receive a rouble from sponsorship or prize money. So we seem to have gone from Saudi sports washing to Russian war washing. Not for me. Or me! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted October 6, 2023 Report Share Posted October 6, 2023 No from me too. OK so they play under a neutral flag as a non Russian team. Where do you think they would go to celebrate if they won a competition? They would be greeted as heroes by Putin and his administration. The rest of the world would look like arseholes. End the war and then, and only then, let's talk about it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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