Coombsy Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 He own a formula 2 team not sure what he calls them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 15 minutes ago, Coombsy said: He own a formula 2 team not sure what he calls them Is it under the Pula Sport umbrella? The Lansdowns own loads of other companies such as those related to the Botswana safari stuff, multiple property/land holding companies etc. My chart is intended to only encompass the companies under Pula Sport, and therefore those that are directly related to BCFC and Bristol Sport. I'm basically trying to set out what the "Bristol Sport Group" is. If I've missed a racing team then I'd love to know about it - but there's no mention of it on the Bristol Sport website and Google isn't helping either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Ian M said: All of BS for £200m. Thats change to a Saudi billionaire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombsy Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 Sponsors - #TeamDZ It is part of a stable of sports companies owned by Stephen Lansdown. ... We believe things should start and end with you; you are The Driver and you call the ... Missing: formula 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 15 hours ago, bristol red said: £200m running at say £30m year loss… seems a good investment NOT. Unless they invest a whole lot more and get the football club competitive in the top half premiership What club in the Championship would be a good investment by any normal return on investment criteria? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Coombsy said: He own a formula 2 team not sure what he calls them Teams here; https://www.fiaformula2.com/Teams-and-Drivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 17 hours ago, bristol red said: I guess that will include the sporting quarter if it goes ahead? Bit of a strange one… not gonna get a whole out sale on that.. too much uncertainty and will never run as a profitable or breakeven business. Uncertain times ahead. Realistically need to get BCFC into the premiership to stand a chance of a sale and based on recent decisions got no chance whatsoever. I’d say that includes the land and planning application which is owned by Bristol sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 17 hours ago, pongo88 said: I’m afraid that SL seems to want to recover a large percentage of the money he’s invested. Unfortunately things aren’t like that. No matter how much I spend on my house, if I decide to sell, the amount I get will be the market value of the house and no more. The market valuation of loss making Bristol Sport can’t be want SL is asking. (Assuming the figures quoted are accurate and, less be honest, nobody really knows for sure) But if you have plenty of money it’s like buying houses to rent out yes you might rent em all but then again you might fail ,planning for 600 homes included in that 200 m deal - 600 rentals return I nice sum , maybe a full hotel weekly return a nice profit along with a basketball arena/full concert arena bringing in money stick On top football mens and women plus rugby and out door summer concerts and biggest indoor seminar hall in south Of England then maybe 200mill to a Rich consortium ain’t a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 1, 2023 Report Share Posted November 1, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dolman Block B said: Thats change to a Saudi billionaire It is, although. Not all of them, Sheffield United are owned by a Saudi Prince and he too is trying to offload, not investing much etc. More widely, if from the same inner circle of the Royal Family, may find a problem with dual ownership rules etc from a football angle. Edited November 1, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 So West Brom are reportedly about to be sold for £60m. Presumably a little bit of cash is also going to settle the loans that are outstanding. But that is football club + the Hawthorns. But it's another marker in the sand for current market valuations of Championship football clubs. If it's still £200m for all of Bristol Sport then the logic is that Bristol Sport, the Bears (including Bears women), and the Flyers is worth about £125m (generously valuing BCFC Holdings at £75m). Insane by any measure. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 How come Delia can bring in an American investor at Norwich? Why can't we do a similar thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Monaghan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: How come Delia can bring in an American investor at Norwich? Why can't we do a similar thing? Bribed them with sticky toffee puddings? Edited December 3, 2023 by Ghost Rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: How come Delia can bring in an American investor at Norwich? Why can't we do a similar thing? See @ExiledAjax ‘s answer above. If West Brom (bigger club, far better history) are £60m, who is buying us (smaller club, plus loads of loss making minority interest sports) for £200m? I reckon we are stuck with JL for the long haul. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: See @ExiledAjax ‘s answer above. If West Brom (bigger club, far better history) are £60m, who is buying us (smaller club, plus loads of loss making minority interest sports) for £200m? I reckon we are stuck with JL for the long haul. Plus other things. Any investor putting in millions of pounds will want some degree of control over the asset they are buying in to. They will want a seat on the board of directors for themselves or one of their representatives. They will want a list of things over which they have a veto. They may want certain other rights and privileges. Delia may have been willing to grant those bonuses and privileges, whilst Steve isn't. @Ghost Rider jokes about sticky toffee puddings but that is actually not a bad analogy for the "sweeteners" that investors are looking for. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, GrahamC said: See @ExiledAjax ‘s answer above. If West Brom (bigger club, far better history) are £60m, who is buying us (smaller club, plus loads of loss making minority interest sports) for £200m? I reckon we are stuck with JL for the long haul. I am not suggesting a takeover just a mega-rich investor with an interest in football to help share the financial burden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: I am not suggesting a takeover just a mega-rich investor with an interest in football to help share the financial burden. So for £60m you can buy WBA, or for the same investment take a 30% share in BS and sit back and share the pain with JL.. sounds compelling.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashton_fan Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 As discussed in another topic, at the q&a recently JL said they were looking for an investor who had expertise that would benefit Bristol Sport and that the Lansdowns aren't going to "walk away" so some of the discussion on here appears to be wide of the mark. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: I am not suggesting a takeover just a mega-rich investor with an interest in football to help share the financial burden. Then read the thread. SL clearly isn’t prepared to do that, so it is either a complete sale or nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: As discussed in another topic, at the q&a recently JL said they were looking for an investor who had expertise that would benefit Bristol Sport and that the Lansdowns aren't going to "walk away" so some of the discussion on here appears to be wide of the mark. But if that investment is being sought based on a valuation of £200m for the Pula/Bristol Sport group, then as @FNQ says you're asking someone to spend £60m for just 30%. Why would anyone agree to that deal when they can go and buy all of West Brom (or any number of other clubs) for that same price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FNQ Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: As discussed in another topic, at the q&a recently JL said they were looking for an investor who had expertise that would benefit Bristol Sport and that the Lansdowns aren't going to "walk away" so some of the discussion on here appears to be wide of the mark. Well if JL said so… Any new investor who would truly benefit Bristol Sport needs to be a majority shareholder or it’ll just be more of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, johnbytheriver said: I am not suggesting a takeover just a mega-rich investor with an interest in football to help share the financial burden. Regarding Norwich it looks like, from reports, that Attanasio initially bought 16% of Norwich for $11.5m in September 2022. That's about $700,000 for each 1% of the club, and so values Norwich at roughly $70m. So again, it's more evidence that our owner is simply delusional in his overvaluation of our club and it's wider group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: But if that investment is being sought based on a valuation of £200m for the Pula/Bristol Sport group, then as @FNQ says you're asking someone to spend £60m for just 30%. Why would anyone agree to that deal when they can go and buy all of West Brom (or any number of other clubs) for that same price? Where has the 200m figure come from, it was quoted as 140m not that long ago, which also seems to be a figure suddenly quoted as facts Where have the Lansdowns ever stated what they want to sell for or are the figures just used to beat them with? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, FNQ said: So for £60m you can buy WBA, or for the same investment take a 30% share in BS and sit back and share the pain with of JL.. sounds compelling.. The reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Then read the thread. SL clearly isn’t prepared to do that, so it is either a complete sale or nothing. I can’t see anyone in their right mind paying £200m for BS, nor should they be expected to in the current market. So that leaves us with nothing, and the prospect of the Lansdowns bumbling on for another decade is so depressing. If BCFC was up for sale, however, surely a deal would be done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 On 31/10/2023 at 21:05, Kashmir said: Will the Lansdown Stand be renamed once he sells up? Yes.......to the Crayola Stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: Where has the 200m figure come from, it was quoted as 140m not that long ago, which also seems to be a figure suddenly quoted as facts Where have the Lansdowns ever stated what they want to sell for or are the figures just used to beat them with? Honestly even £100m for all of BS is too much imo. Even that would be giving the rugby, basketball, and other small companies a value of £30m - £40m. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 So, in summary, it might be an outright sale, or an investment to share the load, or nothing, at a price no-one really knows? Sounds like the perfect scenario for a OTIB thread! Isn’t there someone on here with a penchant for investigative reporting? Who could pose as a potential investor, get themselves into discussions or negotiations with the Lansdowns, and then report back. A sort of OTIB Dispatches? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Regarding Norwich it looks like, from reports, that Attanasio initially bought 16% of Norwich for $11.5m in September 2022. That's about $700,000 for each 1% of the club, and so values Norwich at roughly $70m. So again, it's more evidence that our owner is simply delusional in his overvaluation of our club and it's wider group. You really have to question what SL actually wants here. Using West Brom and Norwich’s valuations as a comparison, surely SL putting £200 mill on Bristol Sport is like putting a crazily high F-off valuation on a player you desperately want to keep. He has to be seriously delusional to believe he’ll get any takers at that price, so really can’t see what he’s playing at. If he IS that delusional, it will certainly explain some of the baffling decisions he’s made during his ownership of the club and also why we’re going nowhere fast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: You really have to question what SL actually wants here. Using West Brom and Norwich’s valuations as a comparison, surely SL putting £200 mill on Bristol Sport is like putting a crazily high F-off valuation on a player you desperately want to keep. He has to be seriously delusional to believe he’ll get any takers at that price, so really can’t see what he’s playing at. If he IS that delusional, it will certainly explain some of the baffling decisions he’s made during his ownership of the club and also why we’re going nowhere fast. Where has the 200m figure you are quoting for SL to be delusional come from? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 42 minutes ago, ashton_fan said: As discussed in another topic, at the q&a recently JL said they were looking for an investor who had expertise that would benefit Bristol Sport and that the Lansdowns aren't going to "walk away" so some of the discussion on here appears to be wide of the mark. They’ve changed tack / re-positioned their focus. Because until very recently one of the routes they were going down was that they were looking to sell the whole thing. There was definitely one group working with them. As nobody was gonna pay them the alleged £200m (which I do believe is more than a made-up figure) they’re looking to see if they can onboard investment to work alongside them / share the load. Control will be the biggest barrier to this though. Maybe this is partly linked to JL’s renewed vigour / involvement in the club again. Maybe he wants the club after SL “departs” having previously thinking he didn’t. I heard he wanted to be CEO. I guess SL has decided to keep him as Chairman but surround him with trusted Pula / BS people. I am critical of JL, but at least he’s a City fan. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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