It’s poaching season - Stoke appoint Schumacher

[Andy082005]

10 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

He did an amazing job of turning this underachieving oil tanker of a club around , culture wise, all with no little success on the pitch considering the constraints of reducing wages and the sale of his best players.

We will never know if he could have taken us higher as we all know what wicked Uncle Steve did but most suspect that we would be in touching distance of the playoffs if he had been supported by him and not undermined. 
 

Hadn’t won back to back games in over 30 games - but you think he would have had us within touching distance of the play offs 

As you say - we will never know, but based on common sense - Id say we wouldn’t be any where near the top 6

ridiculous claims

 

Edited December 20, 2023 by Andy082005

[Mr Popodopolous]

18 minutes ago, Andy082005 said:

Hadn’t won back to back games in over 30 games - but you think he would have had us within touching distance of the play offs 

As you say - we will never know, but based on common sense - Id say we wouldn’t be any where near the top 6

ridiculous claims

 

5 points off when sacked, 4 points after Fleming's final act.

I'd say we weren't far away and especially with players returning from injury a challenge for Manning is to keep us within a certain range.

A target could be 63-65 points, perhaps 60 if we are being a bit generous and excluding the Fleming game.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[E.G.Red]

21 hours ago, Dolman Block B said:

Wouldn’t be at all surprised if Plymouth had interest in Nigel Pearson 

Not  Nigel I believe he would want to sort out his health issues first, but I could see 'Colin' going there 

Edited December 20, 2023 by E.G.Red

[Natchfever]

5 hours ago, Andy082005 said:

Hadn’t won back to back games in over 30 games - but you think he would have had us within touching distance of the play offs 

As you say - we will never know, but based on common sense - Id say we wouldn’t be any where near the top 6

ridiculous claims

 

Have to agree with the squad at his disposal.

[Mr Popodopolous]

22 hours ago, Baba Yaga said:

Comparing them to other non parachute clubs that season 21/22. Forest averaged 6k more than them throughout the season and got to Wembley play off final and revenue was still 1.5mn less than Stoke. Boro just missed out on the play offs but got to Old Trafford in the cup, then in next rounds had home ties against Spurs and Chelsea and Stoke still had more than 4mn revenue than them finishing 14th and no big cup ties. It will be interesting to see 22/23 comparisons but at that time it seems like Bet365 were hugely altering the competitiveness of them, personally I don't have a problem with that but a little surprised they can get away with it.

The key test for such transactions is, whether the transactions with the Related Party are Fair Value, ie what they could get on the Open Market.

Name your price to a degree in the PL but at Championship level now into Year 6, that is very different. Not even a top half finish in 5 prior years.

They had a similar turnover to us ie at the BCFC Holdings level but we know the huge hard work we have done on the matchday side post redevelopment plus Bristol itself is a reasonably commercial city- dunno whether Stoke is, I doubt it.

Feels a somewhat overstated. Naming rights etc do being an intrinsic value which neither us, Middlesbrough or Nottingham Forest have of course.

Edited December 21, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Mr Popodopolous]

22 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Has their covid clawbacks finally been accepted by the EFL @Mr Popodopolous? They seem to think that they were impacted to a far far greater degree than any other EFL club .

It's gone awfully quiet on that hasn't it.

The Stoke variant of Covid along with that of Goodison was clearly worse than anywhere, £59-60m is a nonsense for a purely EFL club albeit one who will have had some Parachute Payment clawback. Moving between the PL and Championship say Fulham is more complex granted.

Nottingham Forest put in for around £28m in the 3 years a chunk of which was transfer related and to be fair to them they did sell players frequently before Covid such as Cash etc so maybe.

Stoke though were not huge sellers but £30m in Covid impairment 2019-20, £10-11m in supposed impact of unable to sell certain players 2020-21 and £2-3m in 2021-22. In theory Covid still covers periods under analysis so the EFL can pull sides up down the line.

The other add-backs look normal. Transfer market related add-backs for Covid really do deserve referral though, I do hope new Betting in football legislation comes in- should impact them a bit.