BCFCGav Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 As above. Plymouth fans currently ‘Oxfording’ - though they’re calling Schumacher a ‘rat’, where I believe our Liam was a ‘snake’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Club and Country Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Plymouth fans are fuming... welcome to the championship/ premier league food chain where money talks can't blame him at all for going probably doubling his money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Is a brave move as Stoke have got a reputation as a managerial graveyard last few years, but it is closer to home for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 I notice Stoke have classed him as Head Coach not Manager. Increasing trend certainly and a break from the norm for then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Stoke is a graveyard for managers of late, Schumacher was building something nicely at Plymouth as was Jones at Luton...I expect moving back up north was a contributory factor though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 I would assume a big pay rise and a much bigger club. Stoke fans not happy either. Good move for him as even if he gets sacked with a pay off he wouldn’t have done his reputation too much damage. If he transforms them then it’s a great move. Stoke fans certainly believe their squad is better than the results. Good luck to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Wouldn’t be at all surprised if Plymouth had interest in Nigel Pearson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Can only assume it’s because it’s closer to Liverpool & money. No one is going to change that club, yet so many keep trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: I would assume a big pay rise and a much bigger club. Stoke fans not happy either. Good move for him as even if he gets sacked with a pay off he wouldn’t have done his reputation too much damage. If he transforms them then it’s a great move. Stoke fans certainly believe their squad is better than the results. Good luck to him Why good luck to him. Shouldn't want any of our opponents who are potential rivals for a medium term play-off tilt to do well..he does well, Stoke do well...and their fans are fairly objectionable, elements of the club are too. Edited December 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Why good luck to him. Shouldn't want any of our opponents who are potential rivals for a medium term play-off tilt to do well..he does well, Stoke do well...and their fans are fairly objectionable, elements of the club are too. Seems like a really good guy. Ambitious young English manager working his way up the ladder. Hope he does well for himself. I understand you and others might disagree. When I was younger I’d have thought the same as you but too old and calm now to let that sort of thing bother me! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Can anyone explain to me why Stoke are thought of as a big Championship club? They aren't on the level of WBA, Norwich, Boro let alone the likes of Leeds, Sunderland etc Ultimately they are a club like us and let's say Cardiff, with a similar size of fanbase despite years to grow it in the Prem, rich owners but don't we all and from a totally nondescript place. I wouldn't have expected us to be able to poach Schumacher and yet Stoke have. Seems strange to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Seems like a really good guy. Ambitious young English manager working his way up the ladder. Hope he does well for himself. I understand you and others might disagree. When I was younger I’d have thought the same as you but too old and calm now to let that sort of thing bother me! That's fair. Yes nice to see more young English managers getting their chance. Plymouth at home especially under him played quite an entertaining brand of football. Yes we all mellow a bit, I get that. I'm calmer than a decade ago, antics less wacky etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Can anyone explain to me why Stoke are thought of as a big Championship club? They aren't on the level of WBA, Norwich, Boro let alone the likes of Leeds, Sunderland etc Ultimately they are a club like us and let's say Cardiff, with a similar size of fanbase despite years to grow it in the Prem, rich owners but don't we all and from a totally nondescript place. I wouldn't have expected us to be able to poach Schumacher and yet Stoke have. Seems strange to me. I think it’s because they’ve spent 11 of the last 16 years in the premier league including some European football. We’ve spent 0 years in the top flight in over 40 years 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Can anyone explain to me why Stoke are thought of as a big Championship club? They aren't on the level of WBA, Norwich, Boro let alone the likes of Leeds, Sunderland etc Ultimately they are a club like us and let's say Cardiff, with a similar size of fanbase despite years to grow it in the Prem, rich owners but don't we all and from a totally nondescript place. I wouldn't have expected us to be able to poach Schumacher and yet Stoke have. Seems strange to me. They have surely had a lot more years in the top 2 divisions than us but I know what you mean. We could be a step up for Schumacher, had we made a play. It is perhaps because a prospective manager knows they will be backed up to or close to financial limits. Here it isn't so clearcut these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, BCFCGav said: As above. Plymouth fans currently ‘Oxfording’ - though they’re calling Schumacher a ‘rat’, where I believe our Liam was a ‘snake’. Schumacer is somebody i wish we went for to be honest. Can see him being be a good appointment for Stoke. As for Plymouth fans unfortunately he was always going to go as soon as a bigger club came calling IMO. No disrespect to them but they are punching above their weight being at this level. Edited December 19, 2023 by Bris Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 minute ago, And Its Smith said: I think it’s because they’ve spent 11 of the last 16 years in the premier league including some European football. We’ve spent 0 years in the top flight in over 40 years Does the past equate to future possibilities? We are hamstrung by the Bristol City inertia but side by side in the midtable they have nothing we don't have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, BCFCGav said: As above. Plymouth fans currently ‘Oxfording’ - though they’re calling Schumacher a ‘rat’, where I believe our Liam was a ‘snake’. Define 'rat' & 'snake' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 A job for Warnock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Does the past equate to future possibilities? We are hamstrung by the Bristol City inertia but side by side in the midtable they have nothing we don't have You asked why they are seen as bigger. I think it’s pretty obvious they are bigger than us. They have the Premier League pedigree and more money. They will be back there before we get there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) They are somewhat pumped up by related sponsorship by Bet365, I wonder about a Fair Value test there. Albeit they do sponsor a lot, naming rights could boost ours. Their income is about the same as us give or take a bit. The loopholes they used are not repeatable, hope they go down. Arrogant and chippy yet ignorant fans too. Edited December 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, xerox6060 said: Stoke is a graveyard for managers of late, Schumacher was building something nicely at Plymouth as was Jones at Luton...I expect moving back up north was a contributory factor though... There’s moving back up north then there’s moving to Stoke two very different things Edited December 19, 2023 by redkev 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyhutchscurlymullet Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Leighton Baines the early favourite for the Plymouth job. Bit left field that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, bobbyhutchscurlymullet said: Leighton Baines the early favourite for the Plymouth job. Bit left field that I saw a poll on Pasoti earlier, unlike most clubs Pearson was quite popular as a choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollydog Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: Can anyone explain to me why Stoke are thought of as a big Championship club? They aren't on the level of WBA, Norwich, Boro let alone the likes of Leeds, Sunderland etc Ultimately they are a club like us and let's say Cardiff, with a similar size of fanbase despite years to grow it in the Prem, rich owners but don't we all and from a totally nondescript place. I wouldn't have expected us to be able to poach Schumacher and yet Stoke have. Seems strange to me. More seasons in top flight (62) than any of Leeds, Boro or Norwich including 10 consecutive in premier league with cup final appearance and European campaigns during same period. Also founder members of the Football League and Auto Windscreen Shield Winners 2002. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, hollydog said: More seasons in top flight (62) than any of Leeds, Boro or Norwich including 10 consecutive in premier league with cup final appearance and European campaigns during same period. Also founder members of the Football League and Auto Windscreen Shield Winners 2002. But like most pokey clubs they have been relegated out of the football league previously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Managers/players will always move to bigger clubs. Hopefully they get someone in who will make sure they stay up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 I spend quite a lot of time in the stoke area, my other half is up there,, there really isnt an explanation of why they should have had so much time in the top league,,, obviously the coates family has a lot to do with it over recent times,, but its not a wealthy city, the city has 2 clubs, much like bristol, so support is split, the stadium is 20 odd years old now and isnt brilliant, but they are correctly regarded as a next level up club than us… perhaps it is the hostile environment, and aggressive will to win that we just dont have that makes the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Yaga Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Maybe a bigger part of the gamble was that he thought he had taken Plymouth as far as he could? Rather than the allure of Stoke which as people have already said isn't all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 Going off on a tangent Swansea linked with Luke Williams as their new manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted December 19, 2023 Report Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, hollydog said: More seasons in top flight (62) than any of Leeds, Boro or Norwich including 10 consecutive in premier league with cup final appearance and European campaigns during same period. Also founder members of the Football League and Auto Windscreen Shield Winners 2002. Going to have to be pedantic and say it was the Auto Windscreens Shield 2000! I only know that because I have our shirt from it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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