Roadrunner Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Well another ex player keeps on scoring sammy got a hattrick in the FA cup today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 8 minutes ago, Roadrunner said: Well another ex player keeps on scoring sammy got a hattrick in the FA cup today. Might get more yet, game still going. Szmodics must be the biggest slip up in recent years. If only we’d played him! 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) The thing is we don't know. I won't defend the treatment but sometimes players need to go back to progress again- his stint at Peterborough and the setback for him here could have helped him grow as a player. Here..would he have lit up the side. Maybe maybe not. Good luck to him and feels like one that got away but we just don't know. Edited January 6 by Mr Popodopolous 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The thing is we don't know. I won't defend the treatment but sometimes players need to go back to progress again- his stint at Peterborough and the setback for him here could have helped him grow as a player. Here..would he have lit up the side. Maybe maybe not. Good luck to him and feels like one that got away but we just don't know. All good comments mate. It’s the same with managers when people say “we were going down” or players that do well elsewhere but not here. You are quite right, we will never know. Some players just fit clubs. Edited January 6 by One Team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The thing is we don't know. I won't defend the treatment but sometimes players need to go back to progress again- his stint at Peterborough and the setback for him here could have helped him grow as a player. Here..would he have lit up the side. Maybe maybe not. Good luck to him and feels like one that got away but we just don't know. Couldn’t have done much worse than Kasey Palmer, given the fee and wages we paid out on him by comparison. Szmodics was a good piece of scouting and that’s about all you can say positively about his time with us. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 A victim of the scattergun approach to recruitment at the time. Maybe would have had more of a chance if we didn't sign Palmer that summer too 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 IIRC Szmodics had a really good preseason for us, scoring goals. Once the season started he was nowhere to be seen, replaced by Kasey Palmer. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, WarksRobin said: IIRC Szmodics had a really good preseason for us, scoring goals. Once the season started he was nowhere to be seen, replaced by Kasey Palmer. Some of the opposition weren't the most taxing but that was all very odd. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019–20_Bristol_City_F.C._season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 So we would all have been patient and waited until he was 28 years old before he showed his full potential, but we are more than ready to pass on Mehmetl, Bell or even Conway at 22? OK, sounds believable. 2 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Ahh , see. That Lee Johnson had an eye for a player. Didn't know what to do with them , or have a system in mind , or know how he wanted to set up or play , but he could definitely sign a player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Ahh , see. That Lee Johnson had an eye for a player. Didn't know what to do with them , or have a system in mind , or know how he wanted to set up or play , but he could definitely sign a player. “Clubs in the bag, clubs in the bag”. As provided by Mark Ashton and his Top Trumps approach to recruitment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 This goes firmly at the feet of our owner and at some fans who like a singalong I’m afraid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galley is our king Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 58 minutes ago, One Team said: Might get more yet, game still going. Szmodics must be the biggest slip up in recent years. If only we’d played him! Why when we had Kasey Palmer? ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I’ve never been able to find the quote again, but didn’t LJ say something along the lines of “I didn’t really want to sign him, but all of his numbers/stats suggested I should” ?? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, The Nest Egg said: A victim of the scattergun approach to recruitment at the time. Maybe would have had more of a chance if we didn't sign Palmer that summer too 100%. Signed him, then signed Palmer because we could so that was the end of that. Just showed how little thought and analysis was going into recruitment by that point, it was all about stockpiling and trading players. 24 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: This goes firmly at the feet of our owner and at some fans who like a singalong I’m afraid There was nowhere near as much clamour from fans to sign Palmer as there had been for Kalas in the same summer, or Tomlin a few years before. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOZZYBCFC Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 51 minutes ago, petehinton said: I’ve never been able to find the quote again, but didn’t LJ say something along the lines of “I didn’t really want to sign him, but all of his numbers/stats suggested I should” ?? Yea I recall this quote too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) If I remember rightly palmer didn't really pull up any trees while on loan with us, and had to make do with coming off the bench alot. we had szmodics in the building aswell that summer who was having a great pre season, I then remember being completely baffled as to why we signed palmer. I understood kalas and Dasilva but it completely blocked sammies pathway into the starting XI, especially given the pressure would have been on to play palmer given his massive wages at the time. You can certainly see why there is no love lost between us and szmodics Edited January 6 by BCFC31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: 100%. Signed him, then signed Palmer because we could so that was the end of that. Just showed how little thought and analysis was going into recruitment by that point, it was all about stockpiling and trading players. There was nowhere near as much clamour from fans to sign Palmer as there had been for Kalas in the same summer, or Tomlin a few years before. And all 3 turned out to be duds apart from kalas maybe when he was fit which wasn’t often Edited January 6 by joe jordans teeth 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, BCFC31 said: If I remember rightly palmer didn't really pull up any trees while on loan with us, and had to make do with coming off the bench alot. we had szmodics in the building aswell that summer who was having a great pre season, I then remember being completely baffled as to why we signed palmer. I understood kalas and Dasilva but it completely blocked sammies pathway into the starting XI, especially given the pressure would have been on to play palmer given his massive wages at the time. You can certainly see why there is no love lost between us and szmodics There was a story that he was being signed to feed Nketiah. However true or not it was, I recall thinking - hadn’t we paid £5.3m for Diedhiou and now he’s being cast aside for a 18 year old loanee??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: There was a story that he was being signed to feed Nketiah. However true or not it was, I recall thinking - hadn’t we paid £5.3m for Diedhiou and now he’s being cast aside for a 18 year old loanee??? Things seemed to be working albeit with flaws until Afobe injured. (Kalas, DaSilva, Nagy all got medium term too and Smith carried his). Back to Palmer, behind Weimann and Afobe we were looking quite sharp. Diedhiou absolutely didn't fit that style. Palmer behind Weimann and Nketiah again absolutely could have been interesting. Two very divergent styles though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I remember in the pre season community game at Hallen Smodzics was exceptional playing behind a front two. Granted the standard of the opposition was not great, but I thought I could see a plan of either him or Pato behind the front two. KP signing changed that and SS got pushed down the pecking order - and when he did play for us (I think I remember Swansea home) he looked miles off the standard. In short, we didn’t help him but when he did get opportunities he didn’t look ready. My criticism of the club is not not keeping him, but signing Palmer which without that, would have given more time to see if he could develop. I don’t see the need to hang the club on this one for any reason other than poor recruitment outside of SS 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, petehinton said: I’ve never been able to find the quote again, but didn’t LJ say something along the lines of “I didn’t really want to sign him, but all of his numbers/stats suggested I should” ?? Pete, I remember this as well. I thought it was such a disrespectful thing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, petehinton said: I’ve never been able to find the quote again, but didn’t LJ say something along the lines of “I didn’t really want to sign him, but all of his numbers/stats suggested I should” ?? Not quite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Northern Red said: 100%. Signed him, then signed Palmer because we could so that was the end of that. Just showed how little thought and analysis was going into recruitment by that point, it was all about stockpiling and trading players. There was nowhere near as much clamour from fans to sign Palmer as there had been for Kalas in the same summer, or Tomlin a few years before. Yeah, Palmer was a bit underwhelming in his loan spell, and I thought we'd dodged a bullet. But fair play to mark ashton who was to pay 2-4x his worth in transfer fee and wages. Then LJ was forced to backtrack a bit and mention that he wanted to get a full preseason training in with KP. It was an absolutely idiotic period, that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, James54De said: Not quite. But near enough. LJ made it clear SS was a 'numbers' signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Things seemed to be working albeit with flaws until Afobe injured. (Kalas, DaSilva, Nagy all got medium term too and Smith carried his). Back to Palmer, behind Weimann and Afobe we were looking quite sharp. Diedhiou absolutely didn't fit that style. Palmer behind Weimann and Nketiah again absolutely could have been interesting. Two very divergent styles though. Afobe was the last minute plan b for Nketiah….the point I was trying to make (badly) was less about Palmer, and more about casting aside your record signing of 12 months earlier. Magpie - new shiny object - must have it - sod the £5.3m! 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 14 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I remember in the pre season community game at Hallen Smodzics was exceptional playing behind a front two. Granted the standard of the opposition was not great, but I thought I could see a plan of either him or Pato behind the front two. KP signing changed that and SS got pushed down the pecking order - and when he did play for us (I think I remember Swansea home) he looked miles off the standard. In short, we didn’t help him but when he did get opportunities he didn’t look ready. My criticism of the club is not not keeping him, but signing Palmer which without that, would have given more time to see if he could develop. I don’t see the need to hang the club on this one for any reason other than poor recruitment outside of SS Agree with every word. Palmer was an utterly baffling signing, people like to jump on the bandwagon and say all 3 of the Chelsea players were poor but the other two made perfect sense. Szmodics didn’t look ready in his very few opportunities & when he left us for (League One) Peterborough I don’t recall many (any?) of these posters complaining. At 28, over 3 years since he left us it is clearly all coming together for him, but to pretend that there was a majority opinion at the time that said keep him is nonsense. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Afobe was the last minute plan b for Nketiah….the point I was trying to make (badly) was less about Palmer, and more about casting aside your record signing of 12 months earlier. Magpie - new shiny object - must have it - sod the £5.3m! Ah yes, when you put it like that..his flip flopping of style, ooh new player, new style new player etc did us few favours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewquayRed Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 So depressing posts like this, at what point do we start not giving a monkeys ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, NewquayRed said: So depressing posts like this, at what point do we start not giving a monkeys ? When they get sold & do nothing, because those players never get mentioned again. You could probably find loads of threads saying we’ll regret selling/releasing so & so but when like in the cases of Liam Walsh or Ryley Towler it doesn’t happen they’re not brought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, joe jordans teeth said: This goes firmly at the feet of our owner and at some fans who like a singalong I’m afraid Lansdown provides the funds but doesn’t choose how we spend it, Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson are at fault. Kasey Palmer coming in is the most pointless waste of money I can possibly remember and that takes some doing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherrich Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, The Nest Egg said: A victim of the scattergun approach to recruitment at the time. Maybe would have had more of a chance if we didn't sign Palmer that summer too Wasn’t rated by Johnson so they let him go. Another crass decision to go with all the others. The rest is history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 39 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Agree with every word. Palmer was an utterly baffling signing, people like to jump on the bandwagon and say all 3 of the Chelsea players were poor but the other two made perfect sense. Szmodics didn’t look ready in his very few opportunities & when he left us for (League One) Peterborough I don’t recall many (any?) of these posters complaining. At 28, over 3 years since he left us it is clearly all coming together for him, but to pretend that there was a majority opinion at the time that said keep him is nonsense. Good explanation Graham... players develop at different speeds and Szmodics didn't look ready for Champ football when we signed him. His career path could be the same as Bobby Reid. Up until the age of 24 there was no way that i could see Bobby being a 10 million Prem footballer but credit to him, he really kicked on. Szmodics may earn a similar move now. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 15 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: Lansdown provides the funds but doesn’t choose how we spend it, Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson are at fault. Kasey Palmer coming in is the most pointless waste of money I can possibly remember and that takes some doing I used to think Nakhi Wells was our worst value signing ever but his redemption arc has been considerable. It must be Palmer now, absolutely baffling signing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 LJ should never have been appointed, but his final season saw some crazy decisions in the market. Money spent would see most sides promoted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: Lansdown provides the funds but doesn’t choose how we spend it, Mark Ashton and Lee Johnson are at fault. Kasey Palmer coming in is the most pointless waste of money I can possibly remember and that takes some doing Everyone on here knows I like a good argument but I can’t with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Blame Lee Johnson. Sammie was a victim of the disastrous summer transfer window of Summer 2019 where LJ decided to go big on signings without a real plan on how to fit them in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 3 hours ago, The Nest Egg said: I used to think Nakhi Wells was our worst value signing ever but his redemption arc has been considerable. It must be Palmer now, absolutely baffling signing In fairness, when you look at it 21/22 was a very poor season for him (even though he rarely started) his other two full seasons at the club he hit double figures for league goals. Not entirely sure he’s worth the high fee we paid but he has contributed 1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said: Everyone on here knows I like a good argument but I can’t with that Could argue Tomlin but we got our fee back and he did contribute a fair few goals and assists atleast. That whole summer window and even the January window was a shambles with how it was ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 27 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: In fairness, when you look at it 21/22 was a very poor season for him (even though he rarely started) his other two full seasons at the club he hit double figures for league goals. Not entirely sure he’s worth the high fee we paid but he has contributed Could argue Tomlin but we got our fee back and he did contribute a fair few goals and assists atleast. That whole summer window and even the January window was a shambles with how it was ran Nah tomlin apart from a few sparks was dogshit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 52 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Nah tomlin apart from a few sparks was dogshit I agree but I always think the main difference between him and a couple of others is a couple of sparks and we got what we paid for back. Pretty sure we terminated Palmer’s contract early if I’m not mistaken? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, Charlie BCFC said: In fairness, when you look at it 21/22 was a very poor season for him (even though he rarely started) his other two full seasons at the club he hit double figures for league goals. Not entirely sure he’s worth the high fee we paid but he has contributed Could argue Tomlin but we got our fee back and he did contribute a fair few goals and assists atleast. That whole summer window and even the January window was a shambles with how it was ran We lost money on Tomlin. (but it was the best transfer we did getting rid of him) Edited January 7 by Davefevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 32 minutes ago, Charlie BCFC said: I agree but I always think the main difference between him and a couple of others is a couple of sparks and we got what we paid for back. Pretty sure we terminated Palmer’s contract early if I’m not mistaken? Nah we lost money on tomlin I think not as much as on palmer granted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Palmer was from Chelsea, Szmodics was from Colchester, who would the majority of managers pick first ? KP showed flashes of genius when he played but it wasn’t sufficient in our style of play and, sadly, when SS got his chances he never really took them. I don’t think it was bad business to move both of them on when we did. Also I think SS was a bit of a clown which LJ didn’t appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 11 hours ago, GrahamC said: Agree with every word. Palmer was an utterly baffling signing, people like to jump on the bandwagon and say all 3 of the Chelsea players were poor but the other two made perfect sense. Szmodics didn’t look ready in his very few opportunities & when he left us for (League One) Peterborough I don’t recall many (any?) of these posters complaining. At 28, over 3 years since he left us it is clearly all coming together for him, but to pretend that there was a majority opinion at the time that said keep him is nonsense. Obviously I don't know how he was looking in training, and TBF if Johnson said he didn't think he was ready for the Championship and loaned him out for a year it would have made sense. But he had 3 Sub appearances totalling about 1 full game , not really getting a chance, specially as they were at least 5 games apart. That said totally agree with the last sentence , people tend to rewrite history a little after time. I remember questions being asked, but as fans we enjoyed spending and signing almost as much as LJ , until we realised what FFP meant. 10 hours ago, The Nest Egg said: I used to think Nakhi Wells was our worst value signing ever but his redemption arc has been considerable. It must be Palmer now, absolutely baffling signing I liked Palmer and in that short spell with Afobe it looked like LJ knew what he was doing, after the injury it showed he didn't . Palmer needed pace and movement ahead of him and we didn't have it. I also like Nahki , but we paid far too much for him at the age he was. The problem was Johnson wanted a big striker signing . Wells from Burnley for £5M was too much to resist . He's done ok for us, but we could have spent that money better IMO. 6 hours ago, Davefevs said: We lost money on Tomlin. (but it was the best transfer we did getting rid of him) On fees alone, I thought we signed him for £3.5m and sold him for the same . But agree it was brilliant business getting what we did for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Yes, circa £3m fee paid, circa £2m recouped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinforlife2 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 WE paid about 500K for him from Colchester, he limited starts and went on loan and was sold for 1m, despite barely kicking a ball for us. We made money on SS, there's no doubting he came good at Peterborough and was great in league one for them and carrier it forward and then joined Blackburn. I don't know if we got a sell on or not? But given how good in the market Peterborough usually are, they paid 1m for a player they recouped 1.5m for, despite him being more proven for them, than he was for us, we both made 500K out the player. If anyone made a mistake, it was Peterborough selling him so cheaply, especially with still 2 years on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 25 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said: WE paid about 500K for him from Colchester, he limited starts and went on loan and was sold for 1m, despite barely kicking a ball for us. We made money on SS, there's no doubting he came good at Peterborough and was great in league one for them and carrier it forward and then joined Blackburn. I don't know if we got a sell on or not? But given how good in the market Peterborough usually are, they paid 1m for a player they recouped 1.5m for, despite him being more proven for them, than he was for us, we both made 500K out the player. If anyone made a mistake, it was Peterborough selling him so cheaply, especially with still 2 years on his contract. Yes we did, not a huge amount, and we had to pay a small amount onward to Colchester too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) We barely saw Sammy but in the few occasions I saw KP there was obviously a player there. Whether or not you can get a tune out of him and/or build a team around him is another matter. Likes a tackle, good in the air... pick a pass.. beat a man...smash one in from 25yrds...... hang on a minute I remember that from the 3 Chelsea players we signed, Thomas Kalas was their longest serving player....without hardly playing for them Edited January 7 by Will Rollason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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