Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just now, Glasgow Red said: "I know nothing im just sat here looking at pretty colours" Not sure if you’re trying to be funny or making out that I’m a bootlicker as you called someone earlier. but I can assure you I’ve seen a lot more pain and distress caused by people intoxicated or off their heads on drugs than I’ve ever seen caused by a dog detecting drugs or pyros. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KnowleUtd City said: I can't remember the last away game I went to where there weren't loads of sniffer dogs at the entrance (West Ham, Leeds, Leicester, Forest, QPR) Definitely saw it at West Ham but that wasn’t Police it was a private company Edited February 8 by Back of the Dolman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Old father Isewater told me before a public speaking engagement ‘ Son, imagine the audience naked and you won’t be intimidated ‘ I suppose it could be said that posting on a public forum is a bit like making a speech. So..........taking your advice, I have to say, it's not looking good from where I'm sat. Without naming names, there are a few excess pounds since December, some rashes that won't go away following the last trip to Birmingham and some tattoos that would benefit from some laser treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 12 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: I know this is a joke but the obvious difference is that would be out of choice It was a joke but my point is that I’m not sure how a dog walking around your feet violated your right to privacy in any way. Simple fact is, it didn’t. The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrongagain Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 No way should anyone in a crowd in England have to worry about some idiot coked up and dangerous at a football match or anywhere else - if it takes dogs to mitigate the risk let’s have more of them! every public space should be a safe space! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 40 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: It was a joke but my point is that I’m not sure how a dog walking around your feet violated your right to privacy in any way. Simple fact is, it didn’t. The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” To be fair Fordy, Police regard football fans as a soft target. I dont expect you to agree with that of course. No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 46 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: The only way it violates your right to privacy is if you were carrying something illegal in which case it’s tantamount to saying “how dare the police investigate my movements, it’s my right to murder!” Fordy you are kind of proving my point. This is how coppers can think, you are now suggesting I was doing something wrong! Oh dear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Natchfever said: No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. Yes! And this is where most of the arguments in this thread fall down. End of the day, the scrutiny and surveillance football fans come under is just not fair or subjective compared to other events where plenty of drugs and anti social behaviour happen. I dont even think many would disagree with that. Its obvious. Edited February 8 by Glasgow Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Back of the Dolman said: Well you chose to go to the match and these are things that can happen in todays society Sad to hear a fellow fan thinks I should stay away from going to see my team because drunk on power cops want to shove their dogs in my face. Not really a nice way to say it but I do think you have bootlicking tendancies here, sorry mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: Sad to hear a fellow fan thinks I should stay away from going to see my team because drunk on power cops want to shove their dogs in my face. Not really a nice way to say it but I do think you have bootlicking tendancies here, sorry mate. Don’t think I said you should stay away. i said that you made the choice to go which you did, I presume you weren’t forced to go ? And I said that this is something we know can happen. what part of what I said there is wrong and at what point did I say you should stay away ? You say they were power hungry cops shoving dogs in your face but that’s your opinion, nobody else seems to be complaining about the way they were treated last night. You know nothing about me or my tendencies and as you’re not my mate I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use that term towards me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 26 minutes ago, Natchfever said: To be fair Fordy, Police regard football fans as a soft target. I dont expect you to agree with that of course. No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. Is there anything that attracts drugs and violence like football does? Theres an incredible amount of coke at football matches - and I know that as a supporter rather than a copper. And the people most up for a fight? Coked (and beefed) up footy fans. 24 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: Fordy you are kind of proving my point. This is how coppers can think, you are now suggesting I was doing something wrong! Oh dear! I don’t believe I said that at all, I’m merely saying having a dog walk around your feet is not in any way violating your right to privacy. I just can’t understand how you could think that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just now, Fordy62 said: Is there anything that attracts drugs and violence like football does? Theres an incredible amount of coke at football matches - and I know that as a supporter rather than a copper. And the people most up for a fight? Coked (and beefed) up footy fans. I think another point to add to that is that the sorts of events they’re talking about will have security staff who are far more likely and willing to get hands on with people causing trouble at these events so they is how they are policed. that won’t happen with the stewarding at Ashton Gate and quite right to. Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: You know nothing about me or my tendencies and as you’re not my mate I’d appreciate it if you didn’t use that term towards me. Sounds like a cop or ex cop? Edited February 8 by Glasgow Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 8 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I don’t believe I said that at all, I’m merely saying having a dog walk around your feet is not in any way violating your right to privacy. I just can’t understand how you could think that. In fairness i did kind of backtrack on "privacy" when someone else pointed it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: I’m not sure what that’s meant to signify. We have different opinions and that’s fine. Best to leave it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night If stewards are manhandling people they are most probably breaking the law. Its a weird comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 8 hours ago, TV Tom said: I don't like dogs and i don't particularly want one sniffing my balls Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: If stewards are manhandling people they are most probably breaking the law. Its a weird comparison. How are they breaking the law ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 6 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: I think another point to add to that is that the sorts of events they’re talking about will have security staff who are far more likely and willing to get hands on with people causing trouble at these events so they is how they are policed. that won’t happen with the stewarding at Ashton Gate and quite right to. Im sure the posters complaining wouldn’t like to be manhandled by stewards at Ashton Gate like they could be a a festival or a club night This is valid although what I would say, is that using shall we say more robust Security Staff can pose an issue at football as you have a very different crowd dynamic or have done for many years. I remember pre Covid, in 2017 v Stoke a kid was pushed off a seat by a Security Guard type Steward ie probably Door Staff or something..crowd turned in a flash. Heavy handed tactics unless clearly justified with members of a football crowd can see it turn sharply and unpredictably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Just picking up on Fordys point, I can't think what else in the Bristol area could attract as much police interest as a football match at AG. The potential for disorder is clearly there and although most games might be trouble free, if the police do not prepare with suitable caution they could be liable in some way. Happy to hear if there are similar events I might have forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Back of the Dolman said: I’m not sure what that’s meant to signify. We have different opinions and that’s fine. Best to leave it there Yeh, lets leave it. Though a day will probably come when policing is far more authoritarian and you change your mind. Its a slippery slope for sure. And the beefed up police and dog presence is a relatively new thing as others have pointed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Chap outside the turnstile with his gainfully employed animal was perfectly affable and even let me know it was Jason knight who scored after I got held up in the utter debacle that was collecting tickets probably helped I wasn’t carrying any drugs or had any drug related residue about my clothing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, Back of the Dolman said: How are they breaking the law ? Private security guards are not allowed to put their hands on people pretty much period. So I'm surprised if this a common thing. They will likely get fired for doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: This is valid although what I would say, is that using shall we say more robust Security Staff can pose an issue at football as you have a very different crowd dynamic or have done for many years. I remember pre Covid, in 2017 v Stoke a kid was pushed off a seat by a Security Guard type Steward ie probably Door Staff or something..crowd turned in a flash. Heavy handed tactics unless clearly justified with members of a football crowd can see it turn sharply and unpredictably. Yes I wasn’t condoning heavy handed security at football. What I was suggesting was that if preventative and detection methods aren’t utilised(ie. Sniffer dogs) then you may well end up having more heavy handed security inside the stadium if issues occur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow Red Posted February 8 Author Share Posted February 8 3 minutes ago, Fjmcity said: Chap outside the turnstile with his gainfully employed animal was perfectly affable and even let me know it was Jason knight who scored after I got held up in the utter debacle that was collecting tickets probably helped I wasn’t carrying any drugs or had any drug related residue about my clothing though. Amazing so many people jump to the defence of the police and their tactics given their track record in recent years. Im pretty shocked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Glasgow Red said: Private security guards are not allowed to put their hands on people pretty much period. So I'm surprised if this a common thing. They will likely get fired for doing so. This is why I stated you know nothing about me and my tendencies as this is a subject I’m well informed on. Section 3 of the criminal law act and common law are any person powers in relation to use of force so stewards or private security can by law lay hands on you if the circumstances are right to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 minutes ago, Fjmcity said: Chap outside the turnstile with his gainfully employed animal was perfectly affable and even let me know it was Jason knight who scored after I got held up in the utter debacle that was collecting tickets probably helped I wasn’t carrying any drugs or had any drug related residue about my clothing though. Was it a police officer or a private security company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: Amazing so many people jump to the defence of the police and their tactics given their track record in recent years. Im pretty shocked! You’re shocked that somebody has given their view on the experience that they had but it was okay for you to start a thread giving your view of the experience you had Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The dog that accosted me looked like he'd been getting high on his own supply tbh 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back of the Dolman Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 20 minutes ago, Glasgow Red said: Sounds like a cop or ex cop? Even if that was the case, is that an issue ? Does it mean my opinion wouldn’t count ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 43 minutes ago, Natchfever said: To be fair Fordy, Police regard football fans as a soft target. I dont expect you to agree with that of course. No way is there the level or approach of policing at other events in Bristol I could name, which are rife with drugtaking and violence. Hit nail on head natch, as a football fan you have no rights whatsoever, if old bill want to label you with something they will and you would do well to get out of it , One little story that just shows what happens , quite a few years ago went to qpr went with my 2 lads18 & 20 at the time ,firstly sat in a boozer with lots of other city fans no hint of trouble whatsoever suddenly old bill turn up DRINK UP WERE WALKING YOU TO THE GROUND ) shouts the big cheese , after a few grumbles were put in an escourt and started marching to the ground as were walking my lads shoelaces came undone as he bends down to do it up he is kicked right in the small of his back really hard ( he was in agony ) get a move on keep walking shouts the copper I approach the copper to be within seconds taken to the ground by 2 other coppers and hands put behind my back and told in no uncertain terms shut the xxxx up or your nicked , my crime questioning the bully copper who kicked my son for xxxx all , can people also remember the Walsall fiasco with coppers dragging city fans out of the queue to get in the ground for nothing more than smelling of alcohol ( not drunk ) just smelling of alcohol or anybody reacting to the police pulling people out of the queue. I could go on , this is what I mean about football fans have virtually no rights . I don’t go to the rugby often but when I have and at twickers and in Cardiff I have seen people absolutely bolloxed falling about within the crowd , causing problems , and sniffing the white marching powder and not a thing done . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 9 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: If you’ve got nothing to hide you should have nothing to worry about Yeah...........God Bless Freedom! While i appreciate the need to be vigilant in certain circumstances, this is yet another step to control people and take away their rights. This kind of action, alongside Anti protest laws are just another brick in the wall to monitor individuals? IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I do believe Forest and there stewards have history for being rather heavy handed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicolin Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 My partner is afraid of dogs , so it's a good job we didn't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristolisredd Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 What were to happen if a city fan chucked a flare and it hit an elderly person … people in here would be saying why werent the fans properly searched before the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KendrickDNB Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 5 hours ago, Back of the Dolman said: Was it a police officer or a private security company He was private security, I had a chat with him on the way in as well and wished us all the best for the game. Edited February 9 by KendrickDNB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, Glasgow Red said: Sorry but id rather run the risk of being with what you describe as "tanked up bellends" than being made to feel like a criminal for no reason. I went to the game last night. I was quickly patted down upon entry and I smoothed the dog on the way in. At no point did that make me feel like a criminal or even uncomfortable and its bizarre that you felt that way and that you'd rather be with the tanked up people. It's not for no reason is it? It's to ensure people are not bringing in things to the ground that can hurt people. The vast majority of us accept that whilst its not nice to be patted down, it's for our own safety. I just can't quite get it into my head why you would have a problem with the police ensuring that public event is safe? But yea lets just stop all these searches and put the public at risk just so you don't feel uncomfortable with authority. However the vast majority of us are reassured that authority are keeping us safe. Ultimately, if you wish to enter a private premises such as a football stadium then the rules and regulations state they can search you etc. That's a condition of entry. If you don't want to be searched etc then you have the option of simply not attending. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, Glasgow Red said: Amazing so many people jump to the defence of the police and their tactics given their track record in recent years. Im pretty shocked! Amazing that people like you are complaining about searches etc given the attacks that have happened in this country. It was only a few weeks ago that a guy was sentenced for killing 3 people with a knife in Nottingham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 18 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said: A wine shop? Bargain Booze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 My sister in law used to work in the security control room at Fulham acting as the liaison point between the club stewards and the old bill on match days. She was staggered at the amount of class A and class B that was confiscated on match days, it does seem that recreational drug use and football are becoming more intrinsic. Perhaps it’s a generational thing, in my son’s age group (early 20s), coke seems to be part of the night out, whereas when I was his age it was the rich man’s yuppie drug. I suspect walking past a drugs dog as well as a disinterested pat down may well become the norm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Last time we played at forest in the league they weren't serving any alcohol at half time. When we questioned the bar staff in the concourse, the answer was that they choose not to do so for certain clubs. Seems as though Forest have City earmarked as potentially causing problems, which might explain the many dogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, Bernard Lerring said: Last time we played at forest in the league they weren't serving any alcohol at half time. When we questioned the bar staff in the concourse, the answer was that they choose not to do so for certain clubs. Seems as though Forest have City earmarked as potentially causing problems, which might explain the many dogs? I was going to put something to that effect in my post about the sister in law at Fulham, her feedback on City fans at Craven Cottage was that an element of our away support created more trouble than they had when Millwall were down there, and as much as our away following is very good, like all clubs there is definitely a darker element with a bit of a reputation which clearly club security teams are become more aware of in their match day planning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: What were to happen if a city fan chucked a flare and it hit an elderly person … people in here would be saying why werent the fans properly searched before the game And some would be going "ugh... No one died... No pyro, no party" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 15 hours ago, Glasgow Red said: Sorry but id rather run the risk of being with what you describe as "tanked up bellends" than being made to feel like a criminal for no reason. If that's the trade off then I 100% stand on the side of not having police treat good citizens like that. Well that says an awful lot more about "people like you" (as you put it) than it does about many others on the thread. I know who's company I'd rather be in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Half the guys on coke, I could sell a bag of snow and they wouldn’t know the difference… On a cold wednesday night tho, I don’t get it, done enough in my past not now though, last time I did it I couldn’t put anymore up my nose but felt the same yet my mate was rolling round the floor chatting shit I thought **** this, waste of time and now they’re making a film called marching powder, that’ll breed a whole new lot of stone island wannabes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 22 hours ago, archie andrews said: If you aint doing anything wrong whats the problem.... This sort of thing been happening for years worst thing was the s60s stop and search at the match.... Agreed, couldnt care less and expect it, never once think about privacy or human rights or stuff like that ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 22 hours ago, TV Tom said: I don't like dogs and i don't particularly want one sniffing my balls Reminds me of the old Thursday nights at the Mauretania on Park Street. (probably lost on anyone under 50!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I went to the game last night. I was quickly patted down upon entry and I smoothed the dog on the way in. At no point did that make me feel like a criminal or even uncomfortable and its bizarre that you felt that way and that you'd rather be with the tanked up people. It's not for no reason is it? It's to ensure people are not bringing in things to the ground that can hurt people. The vast majority of us accept that whilst its not nice to be patted down, it's for our own safety. I just can't quite get it into my head why you would have a problem with the police ensuring that public event is safe? But yea lets just stop all these searches and put the public at risk just so you don't feel uncomfortable with authority. However the vast majority of us are reassured that authority are keeping us safe. Ultimately, if you wish to enter a private premises such as a football stadium then the rules and regulations state they can search you etc. That's a condition of entry. If you don't want to be searched etc then you have the option of simply not attending. Both things can be true though right - we want to feel safe at events, but we should also be aware of what impact that has on our lives. I'm sure we'd all draw the line somewhere, his is just sooner than yours. I don't want to be frisked at every game, searched by dogs, have my photo taken, and so on "just in case" - I don't think that's right. I also think it's a bit of a poor argument overall as I don't get searched at home games - do you? Do you feel unsafe at them because people may have weapons in the ground as a result? I don't. Given the huge oversteps "authority" routinely makes in the name of keeping us safe, as well as the police's historic relation with football fans I'm certainly not "reassured" they're keeping us safe. I accept they have a hard job and I have no issue with the people doing it as individuals. I'm not convinced that the searches really have any positive effect to be honest, although I'd be happy to see the evidence otherwise. 6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Amazing that people like you are complaining about searches etc given the attacks that have happened in this country. It was only a few weeks ago that a guy was sentenced for killing 3 people with a knife in Nottingham. At a football match? Did he avoid a search somehow which otherwise would have caught him? Or is this point completely irrelevant? Edited February 9 by IAmNick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 7 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Both things can be true though right - we want to feel safe at events, but we should also be aware of what impact that has on our lives. I'm sure we'd all draw the line somewhere, his is just sooner than yours. I don't want to be frisked at every game, searched by dogs, have my photo taken, and so on "just in case" - I don't think that's right. I also think it's a bit of a poor argument overall as I don't get searched at home games - do you? Do you feel unsafe at them because people may have weapons in the ground as a result? I don't. Given the huge oversteps "authority" routinely makes in the name of keeping us safe, as well as the police's historic relation with football fans I'm certainly not "reassured" they're keeping us safe. I accept they have a hard job and I have no issue with the people doing it as individuals. I'm not convinced that the searches really have any positive effect to be honest, although I'd be happy to see the evidence otherwise. I think the point is that this thread is about the sniffer dogs, and specifically those at Forest. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of the photos, the searches etc. I accept the reasons for the searches - at my age most of them tend to be pretty cursory anyway. I’m less comfortable with someone pointing a camera at me. I get really irritated at grounds where they won’t let you keep a cap on a water bottle. But compared to all those things, having a dog amble past me sniffing the air around me really doesn’t seem like something to get too upset about! Edited February 9 by italian dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, italian dave said: I think the point is that this thread is about the sniffer dogs, and specifically those at Forest. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of the photos, the searches etc. I accept the reasons for the searches - at my age most of them tend to be pretty cursory anyway. I’m less comfortable with someone pointing a camera at me. I get really irritated at grounds where they won’t let you keep a cap on a water bottle. But compared to all those things, having a dog walk past me sniffing the air around me really doesn’t seem like something to get too upset about! Yeah fair point. I guess I was more thinking about the "If you're got nothing to hide why do you care" comments - I think that's a dangerous mentality to have. Rights are hard won, and easily given away! The dogs don't really bother me personally either, but I can understand where those who are bothered by them are coming from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 9 Admin Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, redkev said: Hit nail on head natch, as a football fan you have no rights whatsoever, if old bill want to label you with something they will and you would do well to get out of it , One little story that just shows what happens , quite a few years ago went to qpr went with my 2 lads18 & 20 at the time ,firstly sat in a boozer with lots of other city fans no hint of trouble whatsoever suddenly old bill turn up DRINK UP WERE WALKING YOU TO THE GROUND ) shouts the big cheese , after a few grumbles were put in an escourt and started marching to the ground as were walking my lads shoelaces came undone as he bends down to do it up he is kicked right in the small of his back really hard ( he was in agony ) get a move on keep walking shouts the copper I approach the copper to be within seconds taken to the ground by 2 other coppers and hands put behind my back and told in no uncertain terms shut the xxxx up or your nicked , my crime questioning the bully copper who kicked my son for xxxx all , can people also remember the Walsall fiasco with coppers dragging city fans out of the queue to get in the ground for nothing more than smelling of alcohol ( not drunk ) just smelling of alcohol or anybody reacting to the police pulling people out of the queue. I could go on , this is what I mean about football fans have virtually no rights . I don’t go to the rugby often but when I have and at twickers and in Cardiff I have seen people absolutely bolloxed falling about within the crowd , causing problems , and sniffing the white marching powder and not a thing done . I remember this incident well I was with friends in a bar opposite where the police started getting heavy handed, as I had been working in the area a bit before then I took friends into a quieter bar that weren't letting football fans in that day, but we still got treated like a criminal and added to the escort The thing that makes what you said above worse that one of those officers that put the guy on the floor was the dedicated medic, and wearing additional uniform to show this. Ironically ended up treating the injured party 2 hours ago, bexhill reds said: My sister in law used to work in the security control room at Fulham acting as the liaison point between the club stewards and the old bill on match days. She was staggered at the amount of class A and class B that was confiscated on match days, it does seem that recreational drug use and football are becoming more intrinsic. Perhaps it’s a generational thing, in my son’s age group (early 20s), coke seems to be part of the night out, whereas when I was his age it was the rich man’s yuppie drug. I suspect walking past a drugs dog as well as a disinterested pat down may well become the norm. Funny mentioning Fulham, they were well known for a head steward Jhudan (sic) who the police wouldn't touch and would let him get away with many things, he was well known for keeping items collected from supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 21 hours ago, Robbored said: Police dogs were there probably because of the history between Forest and City fans especially after our ‘fans’ wrecked a wine shop up there not so long ago. Thought it was the tamest atmosphere I've ever seen between us and Forest. Last time I went up there I remember being charged down in the car park and it all kicking off. Back on topic, I spotted the dogs and the people searching everyone and neither were interested - even asked if they needed to search me and they said no need. Don't know how I feel about it personally - I've always been of the "nothing to hide why worry" thought, but then i also understand peoples rights, people who are uneasy around dogs etc. Also, as someone who isn't going to be taking in something that the dogs are looking for, it's potentially in the interest of my safety that these things are found / prevented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, kiwicolin said: My partner is afraid of dogs , so it's a good job we didn't go. I sincerely feel sorry for anyone who is afraid of dogs, as most of them are friendlier and better company than many humans IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 35 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Also, as someone who isn't going to be taking in something that the dogs are looking for, it's potentially in the interest of my safety that these things are found / prevented Police dogs are specially trained. Some are sniffer dogs to locate explosives,narcotics of any kind, often seen at airports but rarely at football matches Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents and given the history between the two sets of fans it’s no surprise that they were there. Same at the Vetch and NP years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, supercidered said: Reminds me of the old Thursday nights at the Mauretania on Park Street. (probably lost on anyone under 50!). Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: What were to happen if a city fan chucked a flare and it hit an elderly person … people in here would be saying why werent the fans properly searched before the game Interesting point - they obviously weren’t searching their own fans as when they won the shootout someone in their end lobbed a red flare towards the pitch and it hit one of the stewards (bald, slightly older chap) straight on the swede. He seemed to laugh it off from what I saw. World War 3 would’ve broken out if that happened at AG! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 8 minutes ago, TV Tom said: Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! And the Parkside (Park & Ride) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, supercidered said: And the Parkside (Park & Ride) wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, IAmNick said: Both things can be true though right - we want to feel safe at events, but we should also be aware of what impact that has on our lives. I'm sure we'd all draw the line somewhere, his is just sooner than yours. I don't want to be frisked at every game, searched by dogs, have my photo taken, and so on "just in case" - I don't think that's right. I also think it's a bit of a poor argument overall as I don't get searched at home games - do you? Do you feel unsafe at them because people may have weapons in the ground as a result? I don't. Given the huge oversteps "authority" routinely makes in the name of keeping us safe, as well as the police's historic relation with football fans I'm certainly not "reassured" they're keeping us safe. I accept they have a hard job and I have no issue with the people doing it as individuals. I'm not convinced that the searches really have any positive effect to be honest, although I'd be happy to see the evidence otherwise. At a football match? Did he avoid a search somehow which otherwise would have caught him? Or is this point completely irrelevant? 2 hours ago, IAmNick said: Yeah fair point. I guess I was more thinking about the "If you're got nothing to hide why do you care" comments - I think that's a dangerous mentality to have. Rights are hard won, and easily given away! The dogs don't really bother me personally either, but I can understand where those who are bothered by them are coming from. No one is being frisked to walk along a street. A football stadium is a private premises. No one is forcing anyone to be searched. However if someone wishes go enter the private premises then they have to give consent to being frisked. If they don't want to be frisked then simply do not enter the private premises. It's a condition of entry. So talking about rights etc is irrelevant. There was a time not so long ago when they were searching people entering Ashton Gate and running wands over people. I guess it's all to do with the alert level. Bristol is never really a target. Nottingham is. I don't get searched at Ashton Gate however when I've been to places like the o2 arena I've had to put my bag through an airport style scanner, been searched and walk through a metal detector and that would likely be because of the alert level in London. Im not aware of any attacks at arenas in London. So I think your argument is irrelevant. I saw a few people being arrested, I'd say that's a huge positive. Usually, in my experience, those who have a problem with authority is usually because they don't want to be caught. I'm a law abiding citizen so for me being searched and walking past a dog had zero impact upon my night. The only impact it will have is on those who are carrying things they shouldn't be. Edited February 9 by W-S-M Seagull 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 44 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? I'm not sure that is an appropriate choice of words these days RS, but yes it was !! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? It was. It's a very sad day in a man's life when he goes to somewhere like that and finds that the grannies are far too young. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 23 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: I was down Torquay last year and police were doing that above, going around the pubs of Brixham Paignton and Torquay with a dog at weekends and they arrested double figures, if they did that here, imagine the manpower, and the cells would be full by 6pm, too much work for them, I reckon Brixham? Can't imagine the fisherman doing coke?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, TV Tom said: Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! Not lost on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 39 minutes ago, Calculus said: It was. It's a very sad day in a man's life when he goes to somewhere like that and finds that the grannies are far too young. Some of them were officially Grannies and they were only 32 years old mind !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherrich Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just don’t get the coke heads at footie nowadays. 6 pints of Natch is far more effective. But then I’m old skool…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: No one is being frisked to walk along a street. A football stadium is a private premises. No one is forcing anyone to be searched. However if someone wishes go enter the private premises then they have to give consent to being frisked. If they don't want to be frisked then simply do not enter the private premises. It's a condition of entry. So talking about rights etc is irrelevant. There was a time not so long ago when they were searching people entering Ashton Gate and running wands over people. I guess it's all to do with the alert level. Bristol is never really a target. Nottingham is. I don't get searched at Ashton Gate however when I've been to places like the o2 arena I've had to put my bag through an airport style scanner, been searched and walk through a metal detector and that would likely be because of the alert level in London. Im not aware of any attacks at arenas in London. So I think your argument is irrelevant. I saw a few people being arrested, I'd say that's a huge positive. Usually, in my experience, those who have a problem with authority is usually because they don't want to be caught. I'm a law abiding citizen so for me being searched and walking past a dog had zero impact upon my night. The only impact it will have is on those who are carrying things they shouldn't be. I do wonder how some people cope with Bristol Airport and EasyJet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, supercidered said: Reminds me of the old Thursday nights at the Mauretania on Park Street. (probably lost on anyone under 50!). Towns Talk on a Wednesday night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Now you know why fisherman can drink 3 days non stop on shore leave super, imagine what's come in on boats there over the years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 A fisherman on cocaine, hes bound to get hooked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Police dogs are specially trained. Some are sniffer dogs to locate explosives,narcotics of any kind, often seen at airports but rarely at football matches Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents and given the history between the two sets of fans it’s no surprise that they were there. Same at the Vetch and NP years ago. Police dogs are specially trained. And the rest of OTIB thought they picked up the dogs from the RSPCA the morning of the match. Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents If only there was a Robbored deterrent hound patrolling this forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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