Admin phantom Posted February 9 Admin Report Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, redkev said: Hit nail on head natch, as a football fan you have no rights whatsoever, if old bill want to label you with something they will and you would do well to get out of it , One little story that just shows what happens , quite a few years ago went to qpr went with my 2 lads18 & 20 at the time ,firstly sat in a boozer with lots of other city fans no hint of trouble whatsoever suddenly old bill turn up DRINK UP WERE WALKING YOU TO THE GROUND ) shouts the big cheese , after a few grumbles were put in an escourt and started marching to the ground as were walking my lads shoelaces came undone as he bends down to do it up he is kicked right in the small of his back really hard ( he was in agony ) get a move on keep walking shouts the copper I approach the copper to be within seconds taken to the ground by 2 other coppers and hands put behind my back and told in no uncertain terms shut the xxxx up or your nicked , my crime questioning the bully copper who kicked my son for xxxx all , can people also remember the Walsall fiasco with coppers dragging city fans out of the queue to get in the ground for nothing more than smelling of alcohol ( not drunk ) just smelling of alcohol or anybody reacting to the police pulling people out of the queue. I could go on , this is what I mean about football fans have virtually no rights . I don’t go to the rugby often but when I have and at twickers and in Cardiff I have seen people absolutely bolloxed falling about within the crowd , causing problems , and sniffing the white marching powder and not a thing done . I remember this incident well I was with friends in a bar opposite where the police started getting heavy handed, as I had been working in the area a bit before then I took friends into a quieter bar that weren't letting football fans in that day, but we still got treated like a criminal and added to the escort The thing that makes what you said above worse that one of those officers that put the guy on the floor was the dedicated medic, and wearing additional uniform to show this. Ironically ended up treating the injured party 2 hours ago, bexhill reds said: My sister in law used to work in the security control room at Fulham acting as the liaison point between the club stewards and the old bill on match days. She was staggered at the amount of class A and class B that was confiscated on match days, it does seem that recreational drug use and football are becoming more intrinsic. Perhaps it’s a generational thing, in my son’s age group (early 20s), coke seems to be part of the night out, whereas when I was his age it was the rich man’s yuppie drug. I suspect walking past a drugs dog as well as a disinterested pat down may well become the norm. Funny mentioning Fulham, they were well known for a head steward Jhudan (sic) who the police wouldn't touch and would let him get away with many things, he was well known for keeping items collected from supporters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 21 hours ago, Robbored said: Police dogs were there probably because of the history between Forest and City fans especially after our ‘fans’ wrecked a wine shop up there not so long ago. Thought it was the tamest atmosphere I've ever seen between us and Forest. Last time I went up there I remember being charged down in the car park and it all kicking off. Back on topic, I spotted the dogs and the people searching everyone and neither were interested - even asked if they needed to search me and they said no need. Don't know how I feel about it personally - I've always been of the "nothing to hide why worry" thought, but then i also understand peoples rights, people who are uneasy around dogs etc. Also, as someone who isn't going to be taking in something that the dogs are looking for, it's potentially in the interest of my safety that these things are found / prevented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 14 hours ago, kiwicolin said: My partner is afraid of dogs , so it's a good job we didn't go. I sincerely feel sorry for anyone who is afraid of dogs, as most of them are friendlier and better company than many humans IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 35 minutes ago, MarcusX said: Also, as someone who isn't going to be taking in something that the dogs are looking for, it's potentially in the interest of my safety that these things are found / prevented Police dogs are specially trained. Some are sniffer dogs to locate explosives,narcotics of any kind, often seen at airports but rarely at football matches Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents and given the history between the two sets of fans it’s no surprise that they were there. Same at the Vetch and NP years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, supercidered said: Reminds me of the old Thursday nights at the Mauretania on Park Street. (probably lost on anyone under 50!). Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 11 hours ago, Bristolisredd said: What were to happen if a city fan chucked a flare and it hit an elderly person … people in here would be saying why werent the fans properly searched before the game Interesting point - they obviously weren’t searching their own fans as when they won the shootout someone in their end lobbed a red flare towards the pitch and it hit one of the stewards (bald, slightly older chap) straight on the swede. He seemed to laugh it off from what I saw. World War 3 would’ve broken out if that happened at AG! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 8 minutes ago, TV Tom said: Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! And the Parkside (Park & Ride) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 40 minutes ago, supercidered said: And the Parkside (Park & Ride) wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, IAmNick said: Both things can be true though right - we want to feel safe at events, but we should also be aware of what impact that has on our lives. I'm sure we'd all draw the line somewhere, his is just sooner than yours. I don't want to be frisked at every game, searched by dogs, have my photo taken, and so on "just in case" - I don't think that's right. I also think it's a bit of a poor argument overall as I don't get searched at home games - do you? Do you feel unsafe at them because people may have weapons in the ground as a result? I don't. Given the huge oversteps "authority" routinely makes in the name of keeping us safe, as well as the police's historic relation with football fans I'm certainly not "reassured" they're keeping us safe. I accept they have a hard job and I have no issue with the people doing it as individuals. I'm not convinced that the searches really have any positive effect to be honest, although I'd be happy to see the evidence otherwise. At a football match? Did he avoid a search somehow which otherwise would have caught him? Or is this point completely irrelevant? 2 hours ago, IAmNick said: Yeah fair point. I guess I was more thinking about the "If you're got nothing to hide why do you care" comments - I think that's a dangerous mentality to have. Rights are hard won, and easily given away! The dogs don't really bother me personally either, but I can understand where those who are bothered by them are coming from. No one is being frisked to walk along a street. A football stadium is a private premises. No one is forcing anyone to be searched. However if someone wishes go enter the private premises then they have to give consent to being frisked. If they don't want to be frisked then simply do not enter the private premises. It's a condition of entry. So talking about rights etc is irrelevant. There was a time not so long ago when they were searching people entering Ashton Gate and running wands over people. I guess it's all to do with the alert level. Bristol is never really a target. Nottingham is. I don't get searched at Ashton Gate however when I've been to places like the o2 arena I've had to put my bag through an airport style scanner, been searched and walk through a metal detector and that would likely be because of the alert level in London. Im not aware of any attacks at arenas in London. So I think your argument is irrelevant. I saw a few people being arrested, I'd say that's a huge positive. Usually, in my experience, those who have a problem with authority is usually because they don't want to be caught. I'm a law abiding citizen so for me being searched and walking past a dog had zero impact upon my night. The only impact it will have is on those who are carrying things they shouldn't be. Edited February 9 by W-S-M Seagull 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 44 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? I'm not sure that is an appropriate choice of words these days RS, but yes it was !! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, redsquirrel said: wasnt that the one with the grab a granny bar?? It was. It's a very sad day in a man's life when he goes to somewhere like that and finds that the grannies are far too young. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 23 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: I was down Torquay last year and police were doing that above, going around the pubs of Brixham Paignton and Torquay with a dog at weekends and they arrested double figures, if they did that here, imagine the manpower, and the cells would be full by 6pm, too much work for them, I reckon Brixham? Can't imagine the fisherman doing coke?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, TV Tom said: Or the Carlton club on Old Market !! Not lost on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 39 minutes ago, Calculus said: It was. It's a very sad day in a man's life when he goes to somewhere like that and finds that the grannies are far too young. Some of them were officially Grannies and they were only 32 years old mind !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherrich Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Just don’t get the coke heads at footie nowadays. 6 pints of Natch is far more effective. But then I’m old skool…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: No one is being frisked to walk along a street. A football stadium is a private premises. No one is forcing anyone to be searched. However if someone wishes go enter the private premises then they have to give consent to being frisked. If they don't want to be frisked then simply do not enter the private premises. It's a condition of entry. So talking about rights etc is irrelevant. There was a time not so long ago when they were searching people entering Ashton Gate and running wands over people. I guess it's all to do with the alert level. Bristol is never really a target. Nottingham is. I don't get searched at Ashton Gate however when I've been to places like the o2 arena I've had to put my bag through an airport style scanner, been searched and walk through a metal detector and that would likely be because of the alert level in London. Im not aware of any attacks at arenas in London. So I think your argument is irrelevant. I saw a few people being arrested, I'd say that's a huge positive. Usually, in my experience, those who have a problem with authority is usually because they don't want to be caught. I'm a law abiding citizen so for me being searched and walking past a dog had zero impact upon my night. The only impact it will have is on those who are carrying things they shouldn't be. I do wonder how some people cope with Bristol Airport and EasyJet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, supercidered said: Reminds me of the old Thursday nights at the Mauretania on Park Street. (probably lost on anyone under 50!). Towns Talk on a Wednesday night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Now you know why fisherman can drink 3 days non stop on shore leave super, imagine what's come in on boats there over the years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 A fisherman on cocaine, hes bound to get hooked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Robbored said: Police dogs are specially trained. Some are sniffer dogs to locate explosives,narcotics of any kind, often seen at airports but rarely at football matches Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents and given the history between the two sets of fans it’s no surprise that they were there. Same at the Vetch and NP years ago. Police dogs are specially trained. And the rest of OTIB thought they picked up the dogs from the RSPCA the morning of the match. Those at football matches are to act largely as deterrents If only there was a Robbored deterrent hound patrolling this forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, RedLionLad said: Towns Talk on a Wednesday night Was that up on A38 towards the Airport? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchay Red Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) Sniffer dogs were used at Fulham a few years ago (when Tubby Tomlin scored a late winner) I asked the dog handler what they were looking for. He said flares. I said you're out of luck, I haven't worn them since the 70s Edited February 9 by Frenchay Red 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 34 minutes ago, supercidered said: Was that up on A38 towards the Airport? After consulting a colleague of mine it was yes.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 7 minutes ago, archie andrews said: After consulting a colleague of mine it was yes.... Here is another blast from the past. The Enterprise on the way up from Bemmy on the Hartcliffe Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, supercidered said: Some of them were officially Grannies and they were only 32 years old mind !! The scouse version: https://images.app.goo.gl/hMiX6BUr15YxqBASA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 If you went down the back staircase in the Carlton club, there was that little bar on the other side, what a dive that was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supercidered Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: If you went down the back staircase in the Carlton club, there was that little bar on the other side, what a dive that was Got pretty rough sometimes but I loved it. It was the default place for any Family knees up. Sums up my family to be honest! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 Yes, the downstairs bar had some sound locals, I would personally describe upstairs as a marawana supermarket with pool tables! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 19 minutes ago, supercidered said: Here is another blast from the past. The Enterprise on the way up from Bemmy on the Hartcliffe Road. Nice friendly establishment was that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted February 9 Report Share Posted February 9 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: If you went down the back staircase in the Carlton club, there was that little bar on the other side, what a dive that was Remember the fire? Everyone panicked and people crushed on the stairs trying to get out Edited February 9 by RedLionLad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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