robinforlife2 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 In some countries, including USA, and some in Europe, if a sentence is passed down, which in affect could have been suspended, or deemed harsh, you could lodge appeal on sentencing, and in these cases, the defendant would be bailed if they have already been on bail until the conclusion of the hearing. I,e if appeal rejected, the defendant would have to present themselves to the police to be jailed. In the UK, if you are jailed, you go straight to jail, you can obviously appeal sentence or conviction, but it happens whilst you are banged up, and if it was overturned, you would receive compensation. Lets not forget, Adam Johnson carried on playing right up until his guilty verdicts. In some European countries, sentences of under 3 years, mean you can serve the sentence in the community doing voluntary work, or on probation. In Spain, you can get a jail sentence of 3 years but effectively not have to spend a day in jail, you do however have to adhere to a curfew, can't undertake paid work, and have to surrender your passport. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan11 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: I'm a bit torn on this. Obviously a player HAS to be suspended if there is an obvious safeguarding risk and a potential danger to others if that player is enabled to remain unsuspended. (So, for example, I think any player accused of sexual violence or any form of domestic violence should be suspended until the outcome of any legal proceeding because maintaining the illusion of them as a person who hasn't been accused of those things puts them in a position to harm others). I'm not sure if I think a player should be suspended before trial based on an accusation of assault and I think it probably comes down to the circumstances and whether letting the player continue to play increases the chances of a repeat incident. The incident happened in 2020 so that would be a long time to suspend someone! Seems odd this has taken so long to get to court...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 49 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thoughts are with the truck driver who got assaulted of course but should he have been eligible to play against us and perhaps a few other sides? I am no longer familiar with the Belgian legal system, but I should imagine it is very similar to that in France and, indeed, to the UK, where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. 35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I don't understand legally though how kept it was kept out of the public domain until sentencing. Different laws in Belgium? Certainly, the law in France, Germany and other continental countries is that the identity of a person charged with a crime is not divulged to the public until such time as the accused person has been found guilty. By extension, the media are not allowed to divulge such details either. Personally, I think that is quite a quaint system, and goes a long way to supporting the concept of being considered innocent until proven guilty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 He'll be out in six months so, like Sam Bell, in time for the new season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I am no longer familiar with the Belgian legal system, but I should imagine it is very similar to that in France and, indeed, to the UK, where a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. Certainly, the law in France, Germany and other continental countries is that the identity of a person charged with a crime is not divulged to the public until such time as the accused person has been found guilty. By extension, the media are not allowed to divulge such details either. Personally, I think that is quite a quaint system, and goes a long way to supporting the concept of being considered innocent until proven guilty. A certain Nicolas Sarkozy, ex-President of France, has been found guilty of two serious corruption offences. In the first, he was sentenced to three years imprisonment, two of which were suspended, but has appealed and, accordingly, has not set one foot in prison. In the second, he was sentenced to twelve months prison, which he is currently serving at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 11 minutes ago, TV Tom said: He'll be out in six months so, like Sam Bell, in time for the new season Is that right? Is it the same in Belgium as here..thought the sentence was a year with 1 suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 36 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said: Had to pay the victim £13,000 as well. Am I the only one who thinks that’s low and would want much more if someone of his financial status broke my skull ? . Especially someone clearly well remunerated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 14 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: A certain Nicolas Sarkozy, ex-President of France, has been found guilty of two serious corruption offences. In the first, he was sentenced to three years imprisonment, two of which were suspended, but has appealed and, accordingly, has not set one foot in prison. In the second, he was sentenced to twelve months prison, which he is currently serving at home. Must be awful locked up with carla bruni...... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Jailed for breaking a truck drivers skull with a rock, and for breaking OTIB with a goal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Otoh we sold Ayling for something incredibly minor by comparison so I'm not sure how to view it really. No we didn't. He was sold because we thought we had somebody better. We hadn't though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 I think it’s fair enough he continued to play and if it’s his first offence and he learns his lesson should be allowed to continue upon release. however, multiple offenders shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near pro sport in my opinion. Two examples would be Joey Barton and Jon Jones (UFC). It’s a disgrace we allow scum like that to compete, earn vast amounts of cash and be ‘role models in the public eye’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Just goes to show how lucky or unlucky you can be in an altercation. He's hit him with a stone...I bet he wouldn't have intended to break his skull. Yet you can punch an opposition fan and push him down the Dolman steps...and he survives any damage...yet could end so differently. Small margins in heated red mist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 23 Admin Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Always injured said: Ilias Chair locked up for a year 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Talksport (fwiw) says something quite different. Says he is back in UK, is available for QPR while Appealing. So he isn't in jail, and he's available to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Wilson Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 He couldn’t have hit him with a chair at least? What a waste of a human Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, Big C said: No we didn't. He was sold because we thought we had somebody better. We hadn't though I'm sure it played a role, officially or otherwise? 5 minutes ago, phantom said: So he isn't in jail, and he's available to play Seems to be a lot of contradictory reporting around on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Tootle Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, Winterstoke toad said: Had to pay the victim £13,000 as well. Am I the only one who thinks that’s low and would want much more if someone of his financial status broke my skull ? . Yeah it's absolutely pathetic. I got more for a hand injury in an RTA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I don't understand legally though how kept it was kept out of the public domain until sentencing. Different laws in Belgium? Been on the QPR forum for a while.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 According to a QPR fan on Twitter the Chair thing is a 'Storm in a Teacup'. Interesting choice of words... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well I dunno if there is no hard and fast rule then I guess. Innocent until Proven Guilty but other clubs have suspended players. I was thinking more a Replay minus Chair. Great album.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 (edited) In general, I've a feeling QPR will play him for as long as possible. If Appealing doesn't lead to an Automatic ban and if there is any chance they'll play him IMO. Edited February 23 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 35 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Great album.... Not familiar with that one but very fitting title.. shall perhaps look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not familiar with that one but very fitting title.. shall perhaps look it up. Angular New Wave art-punk from the late 70s from one of my favourite bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 2 hours ago, spudski said: Just goes to show how lucky or unlucky you can be in an altercation. He's hit him with a stone...I bet he wouldn't have intended to break his skull. Yet you can punch an opposition fan and push him down the Dolman steps...and he survives any damage...yet could end so differently. Small margins in heated red mist. A fist fight is totally different than using a knife or in this case brick/stone,what a ridiculous comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 3 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: A fist fight is totally different than using a knife or in this case brick/stone,what a ridiculous comment It's not a ridiculous comment...you've just misunderstood the post. You'd go to prison if you punched someone and broke their skull, or they fell and broke their skull. Or even worse died from their injuries. The fine margin is the outcome. Blimey...I remember being pelted with stones at the Ninian Park car park, both sets lobbing em. But that was considered high jinx back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 (edited) 5 minutes ago, spudski said: It's not a ridiculous comment...you've just misunderstood the post. You'd go to prison if you punched someone and broke their skull, or they fell and broke their skull. Or even worse died from their injuries. The fine margin is the outcome. Blimey...I remember being pelted with stones at the Ninian Park car park, both sets lobbing em. But that was considered high jinx back then. You are correct but red mist is throwing a punch off the cuff,I’m guessing he went looking for a brick/stone unless he carries them Willy nilly in his back pocket,if the incident happened in a quarry of course Edited February 23 by joe jordans teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 minute ago, joe jordans teeth said: You are correct but red mist is throwing a punch off the cuff,I’m guessing he went looking for a brick/stone unless he carries them Willy nilly in his back pocket You're guessing and presuming...it might have been right where he was stood. And we don't even know whether the guy who was injured did the same thing. Like I said, you only hear one side when they are seriously injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 7 minutes ago, spudski said: It's not a ridiculous comment...you've just misunderstood the post. You'd go to prison if you punched someone and broke their skull, or they fell and broke their skull. Or even worse died from their injuries. The fine margin is the outcome. Blimey...I remember being pelted with stones at the Ninian Park car park, both sets lobbing em. But that was considered high jinx back then. I sort of know what you're saying, i'm sure he wouldn't of meant to do such damage but ultimately he did so has to pay the consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 2 minutes ago, spudski said: You're guessing and presuming...it might have been right where he was stood. And we don't even know whether the guy who was injured did the same thing. Like I said, you only hear one side when they are seriously injured. Exactly as you are guessing and presuming,from reading the report the bloke was on his own while the pebble smasher was with his mates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, spudski said: You're guessing and presuming...it might have been right where he was stood. And we don't even know whether the guy who was injured did the same thing. Like I said, you only hear one side when they are seriously injured. You do know the difference between a rock and stone as you keep calling it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 13 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: Exactly as you are guessing and presuming,from reading the report the bloke was on his own while the pebble smasher was with his mates I'm not trying to justify his actions, just pointing out how easy it is to go to prison from injuring someone. If he had a bump on his head, the sentence would have been less. Like I said fine margins. The Mirror called it a rock...then quoted this... In January, Antwerp's public prosecutor told a hearing: "According to many people involved, Ilias Chair lashed out at Niels T with a stone and knocked him unconscious. The consequences were dramatic for Niels T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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