The Original OTIB Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Just a bit of light relief ... 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 We will win 1-0. It's what Bristol City do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Then we pile on to Manning for not having got his players up for these more winnable games . Job’s a good’un. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If we do great. Credit where credit is due. But it’s all about progression and moving forward. Win tomorrow and then go out at Swansea and we don’t follow up. Back at square one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, Selred said: We will win 1-0. It's what Bristol City do. If (an absolutely enormous “if” that is so large it can be seen from space!) we win tomorrow, I can guarantee it won’t be because we will have been playing “Manningball”! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 56 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Just a bit of light relief ... It papers Iver the cracks, and those missing from the weekends debates will reappear, Cycle of life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 5 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: If (an absolutely enormous “if” that is so large it can be seen from space!) we win tomorrow, I can guarantee it won’t be because we will have been playing “Manningball”! The players are not stupid, they understand more then we give them credit for, the instructions really do go in, honest: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If we win tomorrow, it’s an anecdote not data. It should change nothing. If it’s the start of a sustained turnaround with good game management, square pegs in square holes, Anis Mehmeti left somewhere on the M4 and the game played to our strengths then that’s a different matter. But in isolation, it changes nothing. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The turtle Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) The thing is we are playing a team who believe their best beats our best. So will care about us a lot less. Thus we'll have more chances to press, and HOPEFULLY less time to play slow fake control football. We win these types of games because they can sometimes allow us to show our best version, nicking the ball on the counter at pace, not the version we (management) want. It is a free hit which can ease the pressure on the weekend. But city winning tonight wouldn't be luck. Edited March 4 by The turtle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Obviously if we win we'll make it to the play offs. Look out everybody. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Whilst it's highly unlikely to not win anymore games, the chances of beating Ipswich are remote. We've taken 8 points from a possible 30 in the last ten games. Whilst they've taken 21. If it wasn't for Rotherham we'd sit bottom of the form guide over 10 game segments. Relegation form. https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/form/matches:10/type:home-and-away/ 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) I think you need to see a win achieved through change. A win through bloody minded stubbornness would suggest a win through fortune. But if we see something different tried tomorrow, and that something delivers a positive outcome (and I'd actually class a draw away to Ipswich as positive) then that would be encouraging. I am reminded of the time in late 2022 when Pearson was persisting with a back 3. A significant number of fans were at that time fed up with him and wanted him out. IIRC we even had talk of a protest and even, most shocking of all, an OTIB poll where a majority wanted him sacked. However he eventually relented, changed to a back 4, and we went on a good run in January and February 2023. I do believe that this can be turned around, but it will require the flexibility of approach that has been missing. Edit. I see @Silvio Dante has posted something similar above. Edited March 4 by ExiledAjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) If we beat Ipswich it will no doubt be the result of a game in which Ipswich dominate and have the majority of possession, and when we win the ball we counter attack into the space they leave. This will do nothing else than tell us what we already know, this is a decent team when allowed to play to its strengths. However, it is an absolutely desperate team when it has the majority of possession and is instructed to use that possession to do nothing more than pass the ball around the backline at walking pace. In all of Manning’s wins City have had less than 50% possession. This is no coincidence. Edited March 4 by bearded_red 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If we beat Ipswich ..... then so we bleedin well should, jumped up L1 chancers riding their luck + Wes Burns (ffs) + inexperienced coach + Mark Ashton + etc and so on .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis_farewell Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 We'd prove that we have a top 6 squad and a bottom 6 manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extonsred Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If we win tomorrow...we'll still have a feeble representation of a Board. Need long term hope, not short term wins just to keep on board...I would like us to win 5 or 6 games on the tror!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 So much for this being a light relief thread ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 If we beat Ipswich it'll be all down to the coaching staff. If we lose it'll be the players. Ergo - nothing will change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: So much for this being a light relief thread ... Ok, plan B then: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68467893 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Dr Balls said: If (an absolutely enormous “if” that is so large it can be seen from space!) we win tomorrow, I can guarantee it won’t be because we will have been playing “Manningball”! It will be precisely because on manningball, we have done ok against better passing sides, cause manning knows how to set us up to play against those sides…. Its the likes of cardiff qpr and sheff weds that he hasnt got a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellist Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 9 minutes ago, The Original OTIB said: Ok, plan B then: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68467893 My lipreading in German isn't up to much, but I believe he's saying "you guys haven't been showing the right behaviours" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 14 minutes ago, cellist said: My lipreading in German isn't up to much, but I believe he's saying "you guys haven't been showing the right behaviours" I think he's saying that they should invade Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capman Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 The table doesn’t lie. When he arrived to take over a squad which was ‘underperforming under the previous regime’ we were 4 points off the playoff’s. A win tomorrow eases concerns about relegation for the current season. Not sure that people should really see that as a ‘good’ outcome. So sorry but for me a win tomorrow would just be incredible thin paper over enormous cracks which are widening by the game. The question that needs to be asked is does the current club management at all levels have the knowledge, skill and motivational ability to recruit wisely across the summer, get a team playing well and guide it into the top 6 next season? Nothing I have seen so far suggests it does. In fact I have to say if the management does not change the only way I see City out of the championship is through the trapdoor. Oh how I would love to be proved wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) Indeed, @Capman 4 off the playoffs and 10 above the drop when Manning joined. Now we have 'progressed' to the below.. Edited March 4 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southend Blue Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 The game at Plymouth on Saturday was quite pedestrian during the entire first half. It were almost like both clubs were still at League One level rather than meeting at a higher division. We were largely poor and ineffective and looked nothing like a team going for promotion to the premier league. In the end we were value for the win based on evidence of the second 45 but point being we sometimes, or often, only perform during one half rather than the other. If City are going to win tomorrow that's where you can take advantage or capitalise, it's an area of the game where we can be got at or vulnerable to opposition teams. It doesn't happen always, but often enough. It's too bad from a Robins perspective you're not playing us 5 or 6 weeks back as then we were playing nowhere like we can and dropping points often. Some were even questioning McKenna's leadership credentials or choice of manager but lo and behold we've turned it around last few weeks and back on course for something outstanding. Fans and results can be fickle but there you have it. Thing is with us although we're doing great again the potential is there to really put opposition teams to the sword by way of scoring goals but the manager ALWAYS picks one forward attacker where I could for instance include 2 or 3 others and the rewards could really work for us. I mean we could play Moore, Jackson, Sarmiento / Al Hamadi going directly forward and see where it takes us but McKenna just wouldn't entertain it. The potential is there to do greater damage than we can or have but with Chaplin not utilised in midfield (he's a forward by rights) and others like Hirst and Broadhead afflicted by injury so they can't be involved right now we have to go with what we have. To cut a long story short there's no guarantees in this game, results and predictions are always subject to change so there's no reason why Bristol City can't take something from the trip tomorrow. Just remember two words - Maidstone United. All things are possible on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 We won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Indeed, @Capman 4 off the playoffs and 10 above the drop when Manning joined. Now we have 'progressed' to the below.. I see this quite a bit, implying we've moved further away - but I always think that to remain 4 points off the playoffs that means we'd have to be keeping pace with the team who are 6th. That'd be an improvement on before. In fact after 15 games we were 4 points off, after 30 or so we're 8, now we're 12... that's roughly the same pace as before (a bit worse). The issue is we're not now 20 points off the drop (having been 10 before)... the teams at the bottom are picking up points at a greater rate than we are. Using absolute points over time is a bit unfair I think... not saying we aren't a bit crap, we are, but just a comment really. Edited March 4 by IAmNick 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original OTIB Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, IAmNick said: I see this quite a bit, implying we've moved further away - but I always think that to remain 4 points off the playoffs that means we'd have to be keeping pace with the team who are 6th. That'd be an improvement on before. In fact after 15 games we were 4 points off, after 30 or so we're 8, now we're 12... that's roughly the same pace as before (a bit worse). The issue is we're not now 20 points off the drop (having been 10 before)... the teams at the bottom are picking up points at a greater rate than we are. Using absolute points over time is a bit unfair I think... not saying we aren't a bit crap, we are, but just a comment really. Are we crap or not? This is all getting terribly confusing now ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 (edited) 10 minutes ago, IAmNick said: I see this quite a bit, implying we've moved further away - but I always think that to remain 4 points off the playoffs that means we'd have to be keeping pace with the team who are 6th. That'd be an improvement on before. In fact after 15 games we were 4 points off, after 30 or so we're 8, now we're 12... that's roughly the same pace as before (a bit worse). The issue is we're not now 20 points off the drop (having been 10 before)... the teams at the bottom are picking up points at a greater rate than we are. Using absolute points over time is a bit unfair I think... not saying we aren't a bit crap, we are, but just a comment really. 1.4 PPG and 40% win ratio was broadly my hope. To maintain the level. I wouldn't have expected top 6, or even to remain within 4 points of the top 6 but to maintain the level gives us 5 more points and or 2 more wins. 10th, 11th something like. All but safe. Conversely had we had tbis over a season..10 or 11 wins by now and 40 pts. We'd be slipping and sliding into the mire..we aren't yet. We're on our way but we aren't there yet. Edited March 4 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Put it this way, tomorrow night is on Sky tv. One think SL doesn’t like is being made to look a fool. And if it’s by Mark Ashton too…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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