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2 hours ago, spudski said:

If you expand the photo showing the number 4, you can see it's hand stitched and not on straight. The last bit was common back then though. 

I collect City shirts and IMO it's certainly not a shirt which was worn or taken to Wembley in 1986. IMO it's not even a shirt from the 1985/86 season!

The 1986 wembley shirt was totally unique, and printed for the occasion. The logos, printing, badges were different sizes to the regular season shirts, and totally unique to that day.

The main shirt style was used from Dec 1983 through to the end of the 1985/86 season (it was replaced in July/Aug 86 by a shirt which brought back the robin, and was in used for just 6mths at the very start of the 86/87 season, then the white band shirt was introduced in Dec '86), so it crossed several seasons, but there were subtle differences...

Player shirts (excluding the goalkeeper) from Dec 83 onwards in the 83/84 season, and also in the full 1984/85 season, had the B.C. 82 stamped inline with the T in Hirerite. In 1985/86 the B.C. 82 was stamped inline with the outside edge of the last E in Hirerite. Extra nerd points, but in the 85/86 season the player shirts also had a mix of old and new Bukta logos. 

The number on this specific eBay shirt is machine stitched, not hand-stitched as being suggested here, see below. In 1985/86 all player numbers were pressed on, along with badges, sponsors and logos.

If this is a players shirt, then there is a chance it something from the 83/84 or 84/85 season, but if I were a betting man then this is a replica 84/85 shirt with a number which has been put on ad-hoc with a sewing machine by somebody.

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27 minutes ago, kmpowell said:

I collect City shirts and IMO it's certainly not a shirt which was worn or taken to Wembley in 1986. IMO it's not even a shirt from the 1985/86 season!

The 1986 wembley shirt was totally unique, and printed for the occasion. The logos, printing, badges were different sizes to the regular season shirts, and totally unique to that day.

The main shirt style was used from Dec 1983 through to the end of the 1985/86 season (it was replaced in July/Aug 86 by a shirt which brought back the robin, and was in used for just 6mths at the very start of the 86/87 season, then the white band shirt was introduced in Dec '86), so it crossed several seasons, but there were subtle differences...

Player shirts (excluding the goalkeeper) from Dec 83 onwards in the 83/84 season, and also in the full 1984/85 season, had the B.C. 82 stamped inline with the T in Hirerite. In 1985/86 the B.C. 82 was stamped inline with the outside edge of the last E in Hirerite. Extra nerd points, but in the 85/86 season the player shirts also had a mix of old and new Bukta logos. 

The number on this specific eBay shirt is machine stitched, not hand-stitched as being suggested here, see below. In 1985/86 all player numbers were pressed on, along with badges, sponsors and logos.

If this is a players shirt, then there is a chance it something from the 83/84 or 84/85 season, but if I were a betting man then this is a replica 84/85 shirt with a number which has been put on ad-hoc with a sewing machine by somebody.

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You’ve got a load of info there, so seem the perfect person to ask.  

I’ve always really liked this particular shirt design, but I can’t remember this design ever being available for fans to buy, because I would certainly have bought one myself.  I thought replica shirts first became available to buy from around ‘86 or ‘87, but do you have any info on that?

I’m guessing this ebay shirt was part of the batch supplied to the club and would have been numbered by the club when required.  

With the number being stiched, it won’t have been officially done by the club, but there must have been a few un-numbered spares knocking around at the club and this could be one that someone has acquired and numbered themselves, couldn’t it?

From what’s been discussed on this thread, it certainly isn’t one from the 1986 Wembley Final for sure.

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45 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

You’ve got a load of info there, so seem the perfect person to ask.  

I’ve always really liked this particular shirt design, but I can’t remember this design ever being available for fans to buy, because I would certainly have bought one myself.  I thought replica shirts first became available to buy from around ‘86 or ‘87, but do you have any info on that?

I’m guessing this ebay shirt was part of the batch supplied to the club and would have been numbered by the club when required.  

With the number being stiched, it won’t have been officially done by the club, but there must have been a few un-numbered spares knocking around at the club and this could be one that someone has acquired and numbered themselves, couldn’t it?

From what’s been discussed on this thread, it certainly isn’t one from the 1986 Wembley Final for sure.

Replica shirts were a thing in the 1970s, certainly around the promotion winning season. I don't know about before then as I was either too young or not yet born.

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52 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Replica shirts were a thing in the 1970s, certainly around the promotion winning season. I don't know about before then as I was either too young or not yet born.

Cheers Sleepy
I think the first replica shirts were sold by Leeds around ‘76 and it was a while before other clubs picked up on the trend and only in kids sizes at first I think.

Maybe it was only the adult sized shirts that were introduced in the mid ‘80’s at City.  I always used to get the new adult sized shirts and I think the first one I got was around ‘86.  I definitely wasn’t aware of adult sizes being sold in the City shop before that, though I stand to be corrected on that.  

I’d always been under the impression that before the mid ‘80’s, if you wanted to get hold of a team shirt, you had to drag it off a player’s back during a pitch invasion!!!

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9 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Cheers Sleepy
I think the first replica shirts were sold by Leeds around ‘76 and it was a while before other clubs picked up on the trend and only in kids sizes at first I think.

Maybe it was only the adult sized shirts that were introduced in the mid ‘80’s at City.  I always used to get the new adult sized shirts and I think the first one I got was around ‘86.  I definitely wasn’t aware of adult sizes being sold in the City shop before that, though I stand to be corrected on that.  

I’d always been under the impression that before the mid ‘80’s, if you wanted to get hold of a team shirt, you had to drag it off a player’s back during a pitch invasion!!!

Ha, I never thought of that. The ones I'm referring to from the 70s are kids sizes. I remember my first being the coffer sports one when I was 12 or 13. I really don't remember whether I kept up with shirts, but I know I wore a white long sleeved sweat shirt with Wembley stadium printed on it when we were there in 86. I think it had the road to Wembley results on the back.

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2 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Ha, I never thought of that. The ones I'm referring to from the 70s are kids sizes. I remember my first being the coffer sports one when I was 12 or 13. I really don't remember whether I kept up with shirts, but I know I wore a white long sleeved sweat shirt with Wembley stadium printed on it when we were there in 86. I think it had the road to Wembley results on the back.

I never had a kids shirt, as I’m from the lethal wooden hand rattle era, so shirts weren’t on the menu!!! 

I’ll have to get my stuff out of the loft one day and check what I’ve got, but I think my first was probably the special Wembley ‘87 shirt.  

Probably just nostalgia, but they felt more special back then, but that could just be because of what happened in ‘82.  To me, out stuff now feels a bit cheap and nasty in comparison.

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On 17/04/2024 at 14:15, Carolina Reaper said:

Price is fair at the moment for what appears to be genuine 1986 hirerite shirt but its clearly not one match worn at wembley
the actual shirt had freight rover trophy and wembley 1986 either side of sponsor and number 4 keith curle wore long sleeves that day

hate to see fellow fans ripped off

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186394531839

On this day: Bristol City 3-0 Bolton Wanderers

Well, that certainly caused some interest and a bit of a feeding frenzy.  Final price of £454.00!!!

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11 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

Well, that certainly caused some interest and a bit of a feeding frenzy.  Final price of £454.00!!!

I was chatting to a friend about this shirt and she swears blind he gave me the same replica shirt about 10 years ago with lots of other old memorabilia, the problem being I have no idea what I did with it all

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11 hours ago, BrizzleRed said:

Well, that certainly caused some interest and a bit of a feeding frenzy.  Final price of £454.00!!!

Such a shame that somebody out there, IMO, has been ripped off by a false description.

Just to show my thinking that this shirt is from the 1984/85 season, not the 1985/86 season, I dug out the team photos from the 2x seasons.

Note the position of the B.C 82 badge. In the 1984/85 season the B.C. 82 is stamped inline with the T in Hirerite (just like the bay shirt). In 1985/86 the B.C. 82 was stamped inline with the outside edge of the last E in Hirerite.

1984/85

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1985/86
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4 hours ago, phantom said:

I was chatting to a friend about this shirt and she swears blind he gave me the same replica shirt about 10 years ago with lots of other old memorabilia, the problem being I have no idea what I did with it all

You’ve got a nice little mini nest egg there if you manage to find it then Phants!!!

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4 hours ago, Carolina Reaper said:

Insane final price, if bid genuine some people got more money than sense

I was watching it at the end and it certainly looked like a bit of bidding fever going on.

There had to be at least two people who were desperate to get it, to be able to push the price that high.  

Wonder if there’s someone thinking ‘what the hell have I done’, when they woke up this morning.  Being super-competitive, or prone to getting bidding fever are the two most dangerous things in an auction.

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4 hours ago, kmpowell said:

Such a shame that somebody out there, IMO, has been ripped off by a false description.

Just to show my thinking that this shirt is from the 1984/85 season, not the 1985/86 season, I dug out the team photos from the 2x seasons.

Note the position of the B.C 82 badge. In the 1984/85 season the B.C. 82 is stamped inline with the T in Hirerite (just like the bay shirt). In 1985/86 the B.C. 82 was stamped inline with the outside edge of the last E in Hirerite.

1984/85

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1985/86
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Yes, completely makes sense what you say.

I notice the seller amended their listing just after the discussion on here. They changed   the description to say it was a match worn shirt, but wasn’t actually worn in the Final.

I can’t imagine anybody bidding anything like that price for any old shirt of that era though, so either someone put on an early auto bid before the listing was amended, or they haven’t read the description well enough.

5 hours ago, Carolina Reaper said:

Insane final price, if bid genuine some people got more money than sense

Agreed!

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29 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

I was watching it at the end and it certainly looked like a bit of bidding fever going on.

There had to be at least two people who were desperate to get it, to be able to push the price that high.  

Wonder if there’s someone thinking ‘what the hell have I done’, when they woke up this morning.  Being super-competitive, or prone to getting bidding fever are the two most dangerous things in an auction.

I doubt there will be any buyers remorse unless they stumble across this thread and see they've very likely bought a ringer.

Bidding history below. It looks like 5 people on the final day went up agasint each other, with the eventual winner coming in at around £183, and manually upping their bid several times against the others...

Bidder
 
Bid amount Bid time
Highest bidder5***tFeedback score (115)
£454.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
h***iFeedback score (1789)
£444.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:58:04pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£301.01
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
9***7Feedback score (4286)
£296.01
25 Apr 2024 at 7:58:03pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£203.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£198.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:21pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£188.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:06pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£183.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£178.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£175.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£170.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:09pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£156.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£151.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:50pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£147.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:50pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£145.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:27pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£132.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:27pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£130.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:04pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£128.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:14pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£122.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:04pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£120.00
18 Apr 2024 at 1:01:17pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£120.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:50:50pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£113.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:50:50pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£111.00
18 Apr 2024 at 11:41:45am BST
r***1Feedback score (235)
£110.00
18 Apr 2024 at 10:19:52am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.r***1Feedback score (235)
£107.00
18 Apr 2024 at 10:19:52am BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£105.00
18 Apr 2024 at 8:55:00am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***3Feedback score (28)
£103.00
18 Apr 2024 at 8:55:00am BST
r***1Feedback score (235)
£101.00
17 Apr 2024 at 10:33:12pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£100.00
17 Apr 2024 at 4:38:23pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***3Feedback score (28)
£97.00
17 Apr 2024 at 4:38:23pm BST
9***o (private)
£95.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:59am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.9***o (private)
£93.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:59am BST
6***aFeedback score (159)
£91.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.6***aFeedback score (159)
£87.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
9***o (private)
£85.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:50am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.6***aFeedback score (159)
£62.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
2***kFeedback score (920)
£60.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:25pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.2***kFeedback score (920)
£51.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:25pm BST
5***pFeedback score (210)
£50.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:09pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***pFeedback score (210)
£49.99
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:09pm BST
Starting price
£49.99
15 Apr 2024 at 7:58:07pm BST
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2 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Obviously some people put a lot more value on the 'Mickey Mouse Cup' than you do RR 🙂 

 

Really?………:cool2:

I used to find that being in it was a really embarrassing reflection on our club. It is and always has been a trophy for the also rans.

I’m delighted that City are no longer in it.

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4 hours ago, kmpowell said:

I doubt there will be any buyers remorse unless they stumble across this thread and see they've very likely bought a ringer.

Bidding history below. It looks like 5 people on the final day went up agasint each other, with the eventual winner coming in at around £183, and manually upping their bid several times against the others...

Bidder
 
Bid amount Bid time
Highest bidder5***tFeedback score (115)
£454.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
h***iFeedback score (1789)
£444.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:58:04pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£301.01
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
9***7Feedback score (4286)
£296.01
25 Apr 2024 at 7:58:03pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£203.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£198.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:21pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£188.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:06pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***tFeedback score (115)
£183.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:59pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£178.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£175.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£170.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:57:09pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£156.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:35pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£151.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:50pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£147.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:50pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£145.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:27pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.n***zFeedback score (61)
£132.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:27pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£130.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:04pm BST
n***zFeedback score (61)
£128.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:55:14pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£122.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:51:04pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£120.00
18 Apr 2024 at 1:01:17pm BST
4***iFeedback score (73)
£120.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:50:50pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***iFeedback score (73)
£113.00
25 Apr 2024 at 7:50:50pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£111.00
18 Apr 2024 at 11:41:45am BST
r***1Feedback score (235)
£110.00
18 Apr 2024 at 10:19:52am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.r***1Feedback score (235)
£107.00
18 Apr 2024 at 10:19:52am BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£105.00
18 Apr 2024 at 8:55:00am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***3Feedback score (28)
£103.00
18 Apr 2024 at 8:55:00am BST
r***1Feedback score (235)
£101.00
17 Apr 2024 at 10:33:12pm BST
4***3Feedback score (28)
£100.00
17 Apr 2024 at 4:38:23pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.4***3Feedback score (28)
£97.00
17 Apr 2024 at 4:38:23pm BST
9***o (private)
£95.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:59am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.9***o (private)
£93.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:59am BST
6***aFeedback score (159)
£91.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.6***aFeedback score (159)
£87.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
9***o (private)
£85.00
16 Apr 2024 at 1:09:50am BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.6***aFeedback score (159)
£62.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:55:40pm BST
2***kFeedback score (920)
£60.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:25pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.2***kFeedback score (920)
£51.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:25pm BST
5***pFeedback score (210)
£50.00
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:09pm BST
This is an automatic (proxy) bid placed by eBay on behalf of the bidder.5***pFeedback score (210)
£49.99
15 Apr 2024 at 8:26:09pm BST
Starting price
£49.99
15 Apr 2024 at 7:58:07pm BST

Interesting.  

Looks like that winning bidder waited until the last minute of the auction and slammed a massive bid in.  All the bids after that were automatically getting blown out the water by that huge winning bid.  Makes you wonder what their top limit was?!

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4 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Interesting.  

Looks like that winning bidder waited until the last minute of the auction and slammed a massive bid in.  All the bids after that were automatically getting blown out the water by that huge winning bid.  Makes you wonder what their top limit was?!

There are many stupid people in this world

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4 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Really?………:cool2:

I used to find that being in it was a really embarrassing reflection on our club. It is and always has been a trophy for the also rans.

I’m delighted that City are no longer in it.

For teams in the lower leagues, it was great if you got to the later rounds.  Although crowds in the early rounds were crap, it got a lot more serious when a trip to the twin towers started to loom ever bigger.  

Let's be honest, that was the only way lower league clubs were going to get to Wembley in those days and I view those times with real fondness.  Ok, there was that element of standing on the Wembley terraces and looking out onto the  pitch, and wishing you were actually at the FA or League Cup Final, rather than the Freight Rover Trophy, but I certainly wouldn't have missed it, or the Hereford semi's  .......... that said, there's nothing that would have persuaded me to stump up £454 quid to by a ringer shirt purportedly associated with it either!  

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10 minutes ago, BigTone said:

There are many stupid people in this world

There certainly are BT and I guess all us City fans come into that category too.  How else can we keep coming back every year with renewed hope that this year could be the one when deep down, we all know what the reality with this club will be 🤔  

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

That’s my point Brizzle.

Exactly and as we were in the lower leagues, it was totally appropriate for our position.  

After seeing that Terry Cooper interview with him in tears of pride after us beating Bolton, I'll never doubt the value of that competition to him, especially when you look at the honours he enjoyed with Leeds.  That was us rising from the ashes of 1982 and there was nothing embarrassing about seeing the club beginning to find its way back to a respectable place again.  Whilst I'd never want to see us in that competition again, it was just what we needed at that time to give the club a huge lift and some self-belief.

Everyone to their own though. 

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40 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said:

Exactly and as we were in the lower leagues, it was totally appropriate for our position.  

After seeing that Terry Cooper interview with him in tears of pride after us beating Bolton, I'll never doubt the value of that competition to him, especially when you look at the honours he enjoyed with Leeds.  That was us rising from the ashes of 1982 and there was nothing embarrassing about seeing the club beginning to find its way back to a respectable place again.  Whilst I'd never want to see us in that competition again, it was just what we needed at that time to give the club a huge lift and some self-belief.

Everyone to their own though. 

Nostalgia isn’t what it used to be Brizzle.

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