Old Bill Overkill

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Why did we need so many plod in amongst our fans ?

The Welsh had but a mere smattering, at the bottom of Dullmoan we were outnumbered,video'd and generally intimidated.

Felt like Walsall away

Sod 'Em

[bucksred]

It was that bad then Elvis? If you sing at t'Gate, you must be a potential hoolie in todays Library environment, which I'm pleased to say, it DID NOT sound like, this great afternoon.........

[Guest Uncle Ern]

2 lads got arrested for alleged "racism" They were stood (oops "sat") near me. The funny thing about that is one of their mates is of carribean extraction and stood bang in the middle of them.

Who was monitoring the Swansea lot and checking their anti-English banter.

They can call me what they like and it sure don't bother me.

[Meh]

They can call me what they like and it sure don't bother me.

Cool.

Old git, you are. Viagra, you use.

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Cool.

Old git, you are. Viagra, you use.

If I get arrested I'll get a stiff sentence

[Meh]

If I get arrested I'll get a stiff sentence

Hope it's not hard time

[bucksred]

2 lads got arrested for alleged "racism" They were stood (oops "sat") near me. The funny thing about that is one of their mates is of carribean extraction and stood bang in the middle of them.

Who was monitoring the Swansea lot and checking their anti-English banter.

They can call me what they like and it sure don't bother me.

Youre havin a laugh, right??? and nowt was said about Swampsea standin in the EE, and the Welsh racist singing.................

[Guest Ron]

A shocking display by the local Contstabulary today.

Sith Lords and apprentice thugs.

Respect they lose, bullys they are.

Have you been taking lessons/drugs courtesy of Taipan

[Meh]

Have you been taking lessons/drugs courtesy of Taipan

He learnt from me.

He is the apprentice, but, I am the Master.

[old spot]

Well my two kids have nothing but contempt for the police after witnessing their behaviour at walsall and today, and other times at football!! They are nothing but arrogant bullys!! They spent all week trying to hype this match up!!

But this club is a total disgrace in allowing such an overkill for such a little match. When we played swampsea in the league cup a couple of years ago there was hardly any plod present and no hint of trouble, But suddenly this season it is treated like world war three is about to break out. Get real for ***ks sake!!

And what a farce keith "control freak" draisey's no standing policy has been in the last two home games, with away fans allowed to stand all game with no effort made at all to make them sit down, even after this was pointed out to stewards and team leaders!! And don't tell me s****horpe had too many fans to be able to do it!!

It seems there is one rule for away fans and another for home fans at ASHTON GATE and it is the home fans suffering!!!

[Robbored]

The police were just doing thier job.They like all of us know that there is a long history of trouble between City and both the Welsh clubs and they were just taking the appropriate precautions.Its called 'preventative policing'.

As far as I'm aware there was no trouble at all today around AG very largely due to the high police presence.

[old spot]

Robbored Posted Today, 9:14 PM

The police were just doing thier job.They like all of us know that there is a long history of trouble between City and both the Welsh clubs and they were just taking the appropriate precautions.Its called 'preventative policing'.

As far as I'm aware there was no trouble at all today around AG very largely due to the high police presence.

Bollards, they are a bunch of thugs in uniform and they were out to cause as much trouble as possible!!

There has never been any trouble with swampsea at the GATE and it was pathetic overkill today. They would be better employed walking the streets and trying to catch some of the muggers out there instead racking up the overtime filming and hassling football fans!!!

[Guest Uncle Ern]

My agent is most p'd off they never sought permission before filming.

Where does the data protection act come in all this?

Can we take pictures of them as a reprisal?

My God if the old Bill had been that upfront in the 70's they would have been chased out the East End

Gestapo thugs

[Guest come_on_you_greens]

My agent is most p'd off they never sought permission before filming.

Where does the data protection act come in all this?

Can we take pictures of them as a reprisal?

My God if the old Bill had been that upfront in the 70's they would have been chased out the East End

Gestapo thugs

Firstly, hello all, I come as a football fan, so please be gentle.

Pretty sure under the data protection act you are allowed to write to the respective police force asking for a copy of any video that may contain yourself. My friend did it when we played Rotherham away in the FA Cup, quite interesting to see.

[DOLMANDAN]

Bollards, they are a bunch of thugs in uniform and they were out to cause as much trouble as possible!!

There has never been any trouble with swampsea at the GATE and it was pathetic overkill today. They would be better employed walking the streets and trying to catch some of the muggers out there instead racking up the overtime filming and hassling football fans!!!

You clearly have a problem with police do you have a criminal record per chance bad experience with police on the city center or are you just a fool who hasnt gt a clue what kind of work the police have to undertake on the public behalf when you are next running away from an incident to the saftey of your own home just remember who is running towards it over 50 policemen were killed in 9/11 so just think before you spout off arse wipe :@

[Meh]

You clearly have a problem with police do you have a criminal record per chance bad experience with police on the city center or are you just a fool who hasnt gt a clue what kind of work the police have to undertake on the public behalf when you are next running away from an incident to the saftey of your own home just remember who is running towards it over 50 policemen were killed in 9/11 so just think before you spout off arse wipe :@

Think what? Thugs in uniform on Saturdays, traffic wardens during the week. They are a disgrace.

Couldn't solve a 20 piece puzzle let alone a crime.

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Dolman Dan is obviously a self righteous nerd who sits on his pedastal casting judgement on those he has never met.

Get real boy.

Open your eyes to the facts.

[Robbored]

Bollards, they are a bunch of thugs in uniform and they were out to cause as much trouble as possible!!

There has never been any trouble with swampsea at the GATE and it was pathetic overkill today. They would be better employed walking the streets and trying to catch some of the muggers out there instead racking up the overtime filming and hassling football fans!!!

Obviously sense and reasoning are lost on people like you.Your bigotry prevents it.

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Bigotry or blindly following the politically correct line like you ?

Old Spot is neither a thug nor a bigot.

He , like many I know are fed up with over the top reactions from those appointed to "care for our well being"

By the way he was there today with his family and is purely giving his opinion on what he saw.

I bet your farts don't even stink Robbored

[old spot]

You clearly have a problem with police do you have a criminal record per chance bad experience with police on the city center or are you just a fool who hasnt gt a clue what kind of work the police have to undertake on the public behalf when you are next running away from an incident to the saftey of your own home just remember who is running towards it over 50 policemen were killed in 9/11 so just think before you spout off arse wipe

No i don't have a criminal record, and yes i do know what work they do as my sister was a copper for 7 years and her husband was one for 25.

I base my opinion on what i have witnessed in the way the police treat football fans and other members of the public they deem unworthy of the civility in which they are supposed to treat all members of our society. I have stood in court and watched a copper lie through his teeth to try to secure a poxy public order conviction, fortunately seen for what he was by the magistrates, yet with absolutely no comeback on him leaving him free to go straight out to pick on somebody else!!

I have seen countless occasions where our public servants have deliberately tried to provoke reactions and stir up trouble, walsall last season a classic example, where my kids and nephew couldn't believe what they saw, and will now never trust the police!!!

I have also listened to the drivel our so called "top copper" ian blair has spouted in recent times, despite the gross incompetence of his force, and the obvious attempts they make at covering their snivveling arses!!

In case you don't know, 9/11 happened in the usa, and i'm talking about the police in this country, and yes they may face risk, but they also know the risks before they join up, so if they don't like it, don't join!!!

So i'll spout off about the muppets as much as i like, even more is it annoys braindead ######s like you!!!!

Obviously sense and reasoning are lost on people like you.Your bigotry prevents it.

Obviously alternative viewpoints are wasted on servile yes men arse lickers like you!!!

[Robbored]

Bigotry or blindly following the politically correct line like you ?

Old Spot is neither a thug nor a bigot.

He , like many I know are fed up with over the top reactions from those appointed to "care for our well being"

By the way he was there today with his family and is purely giving his opinion on what he saw.

I bet your farts don't even stink Robbored

I'm sure Old Spot doesn't need another like minded bigot like you to argue his case for him, but let me ask you this - why didn't I or anyone else that I know who was at AG have a problem with the police today? I had no contact with any of them at all and they weren't a problem as far I was concerned.They were simply there doing their job.

As for my flatuation - you wouldn't be able to stand if I let one of my infamous 'stone dead' methane bombs go in your vicinity.

[old spot]

but let me ask you this - why didn't I or anyone else that I know who was at AG have a problem with the police today? I had no contact with any of them at all and they weren't a problem as far I was concerned.They were simply there doing their job.

Funnily enough none of us have had any contact with them for months, why it was suddenly decided that they needed to ring both the Williams and Dolman stands at the EE end is beyond me.

Do they honestly believe hundreds of hoolies are going to try to rush the swampsea fans???? With all the cctv around???

Yes, a few stood in the EE ok, and others in reserve outside fine, but come off it, lining up like that and filming everyone despite all the cctv cameras was nothing short of pathetic.

[DOLMANDAN]

Dolman Dan is obviously a self righteous nerd who sits on his pedastal casting judgement on those he has never met.

Get real boy.

Open your eyes to the facts.

fact I am not a boy

fact i may know the facts better than you think

you are casting judgment through clouded and judgmental eyes the police prevented any public dissorder and promoted public saftey which is what they are paid to do i was in the Dolman i never had my photo taken but then i never used foul language of made obcene gestures to opposing fans i bet you did i repeat Arse wipe :@

Funnily enough none of us have had any contact with them for months, why it was suddenly decided that they needed to ring both the Williams and Dolman stands at the EE end is beyond me.

Do they honestly believe hundreds of hoolies are going to try to rush the swampsea fans???? With all the cctv around???

Yes, a few stood in the EE ok, and others in reserve outside fine, but come off it, lining up like that and filming everyone despite all the cctv cameras was nothing short of pathetic.

Well actually yes

[WTFiGO!?!]

And what a farce keith "control freak" draisey's no standing policy has been in the last two home games, with away fans allowed to stand all game with no effort made at all to make them sit down, even after this was pointed out to stewards and team leaders!! And don't tell me s****horpe had too many fans to be able to do it!!

It seems there is one rule for away fans and another for home fans at ASHTON GATE and it is the home fans suffering!!!

I felt criminalised for standing up, singing my heart out and generally having a rare but wkd time.

Another point I'd like to make, is that this is what I try to endulge in every game but it is funny how they usually clamp down on standing but made no effort to make people sit today.

Football regulations have made a mockery of them selves in my eyes. Has Clueless now become Chief PC Plod or something?

[Guest Ivan_is_a_legend]

the police were out of order yesterday!

we didnt do anything different yesterday then what we do week in week out at the gate. just cus the scum from across the bridge came down, did they have to make such a big deal out of it?

i got shouted at twice by coppers for waiving to the swansea fans cus apparently i was 'inciting trouble' and also got told off for standing up.

the cops were complete A-HOLES!!!

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Dolman "Dud" and Robbored(voice of Reason??)

You are content to follow the party line no matter what the truth of the situation.

You do not listen to the reality and simply shrug off counter arguement with comments like "bigot" "thug" and oh yes "arse-wipe" without even knowing who you are talking to.

###### are you the board police or simply self appointed guardians of our morality ?

Check out the sub site for piccys of Swansea fans standing and making gestures at our fans without OB taking the slightest notice.

No wonder a lot of people I know have deregistered from this site if it is populated by pontificating stuck up holy Joes like you.

This is football not the sodding theatre.

I stand by my previous comments OB were over the top in a situation that did not have any threat of disorder.

[WTFiGO!?!]

Dolman "Dud" and Robbored(voice of Reason??)

###### are you the board police or simply self appointed guardians of our morality ?

Sympathy with your every point.

Tony Blair, Stevie L (although I don't really mean it), authority or the thought control police?

What was it that the great profit Orwell was forcasting again?

Those piggie cam corders p155ed me right off yesterday.

[NickJ]

Well my two kids have nothing but contempt for the police after witnessing their behaviour at walsall and today, and other times at football!! They are nothing but arrogant bullys!! They spent all week trying to hype this match up!!

But this club is a total disgrace in allowing such an overkill for such a little match. When we played swampsea in the league cup a couple of years ago there was hardly any plod present and no hint of trouble, But suddenly this season it is treated like world war three is about to break out. Get real for ***ks sake!!

And what a farce keith "control freak" draisey's no standing policy has been in the last two home games, with away fans allowed to stand all game with no effort made at all to make them sit down, even after this was pointed out to stewards and team leaders!! And don't tell me s****horpe had too many fans to be able to do it!!

It seems there is one rule for away fans and another for home fans at ASHTON GATE and it is the home fans suffering!!!

Have to say Old Spot, I agre with pretty much all of that.

[Guest Cary Grant supported City]

How do you make a Copper??

Get a Uniform.

Then add an ar55hole!!.

[NickJ]

The police were just doing thier job.They like all of us know that there is a long history of trouble between City and both the Welsh clubs and they were just taking the appropriate precautions.Its called 'preventative policing'.

As far as I'm aware there was no trouble at all today around AG very largely due to the high police presence.

Incorrect. The reason there was no trouble was because there couldnt possibly be any - the Swansea fans were only allowed to travel by official coach, were brought straight into the stadium and afterwards taken straight back out again - how could any trouble be caused around AG?

The fact that this is a draconian measure, as it was for us when we travelled to Swansea, is another matter, but don't give the police credit for it.

No i don't have a criminal record, and yes i do know what work they do as my sister was a copper for 7 years and her husband was one for 25.

Game, set and match to Old Spot.

[bucksred]

Oi!!! Robbored!!

Any comment on the fact that those "wonderful" dibble n plods attitudes aint changed in 20 (yes 20) years of football at the Gate. They STILL go out of thewir way to p1ss the mass of fans right off with their attitudes

I was nearly arrested for trying to get to my motorcycle, after a Swindle game in 1985, to get away from their over reaction. And NO, I don't have a record- even showing them my MILITARY id made sod all difference, a dork of an inspector told his minion to nick me if I didnt move on. Prat.

sounds like yesterday was a repeat performance to me..............99% of fans are law abiding anyways, and its unlikely the brain deads would cause trouble in t ground....and aint our dibble and plod "supposed to have "intelligence" about hoolies?

And I'm aware that plod died on 7/7, too......its their job, just like mine in the military, goes with the territory.

And Robbo, do check out those piccies on the Subbers site, clowns stood all game too, in slight contrast to the heavy attitide if you stand in our end..............

spoil and argurement wouldnt it though.

[Guest Topbuzz]

Robbored are you speaking officially in your role or are these your personal views by the way?

[England]

The true function of the police is to enforce the will of the government.

Surely that means the will of the people because the majority of the people who voted, voted for the government.

[WTFiGO!?!]

Surely that means the will of the people because the majority of the people who voted, voted for the government.

Politics and talk of the the will/attitude of the masses, together with the influence of the media/popular culture etc makes all in all for quite a long, deep and complex debate I reckon.

[England]

Check out the sub site for piccys of Swansea fans standing and making gestures at our fans without OB taking the slightest notice.

You are probably totally incorrect with that statement in that the police normally concentrate the cctv on the away support so I would guess each and every one of those making gestures are now on filmed record and made available to the local police for future matches - in addition South Wales police would have been making independent film and using spotters to identify troublemakers.

[Robbored]

Robbored are you speaking officially in your role or are these your personal views by the way?

All my posts on this forum are my personal views unless otherwise stated.

As for the police attitude which many seem to be taking umbage at - I like many was at Walsall last season and the police up there were a complete disgrace.That said the Walsall experience was the first time in about 25 years that I had had a truly bad experience involving the police at a football matches.

Compare the West Midlands police to those at Torquay last season.They were the complete opposite - helpfull, low key and hardly noticeable.They don't all have crap attitudes.

The police attitude these days is overall 100% better than it was in the 70's and 80's - with the odd exception like WMP.

It also worth remembering that City have/had a reputation for having a 'firm' that were always up for trouble and when they came up against other clubs with a similar bunch of nutters like Cardiff,Stoke,Milwall,Rovers and Swansea trouble was always likely.There have been loads of times over the years when these clubs have clashed with City fans.

The police know which clubs are likely to be the most troublesome and to minimise the likelihood of it happening they take the appropriate measures - like having coaches only for away fans and a high police presence.

If the police had not been at AG in such numbers yesterday and had allowed the Swansea fans to turn up under thier own steam there would have certainly been trouble.That would have meant bad publicity and a fine for the club.

Are you all saying that thats what you would have prefered?

[NickJ]

The police know which clubs are likely to be the most troublesome and to minimise the likelihood of it happening they take the appropriate measures - like having coaches only for away fans and a high police presence.

If the police had not been at AG in such numbers yesterday and had allowed the Swansea fans to turn up under thier own steam there would have certainly been trouble.That would have meant bad publicity and a fine for the club.

Are you all saying that thats what you would have prefered?

Forcing all away fans to travel on "official" coaches, obliging them to turn up at a set time and returning non-stop to where they came from is draconian not to mention extremely inconvenient to those who would prefer to travel under their own steam. Did you not hear for example about the guy from Newport who was forced to travel to AG for the game at Swansea? Try telling him the official coach policy is preferable.

How about banning all 18-30 year olds from a town centre on Friday and Saturday nights? That would certainly reduce incidents there. It's pretty much the same - penalise the majority because of the potential actions of the minority.

The police are there to stop the illegal actions of the minority, but instead in this particular case

they just take the easy option and impose measures which penalise the majority.

And in fact, it wasnt even the police that imposed it, because they couldnt. They requested it of Bristol City for the game at Swansea, and the people that run this club agreed.

As for a high police presence, well given the way in which away fans attended the game, why was this needed? About 20 minutes before the game I noticed a police van, full of police, parked opposite a fairly well known City fans' restaurant/bar off North Street. Have they nothing better to do?

I attend all home games with my 70 year old dad and my 17 year old son, and I don't think anyone would call us troublemakers. But the stupid sit down policy at this club, and the "politically correct" attitude that permeates, and the people imposing the policies, does its best to try to kill any atmosphere at AG. So fair play I say to Old Spot, Elvis, Bucksred and the rest for standing up to be counted.

[Stoke_Gifford_Red]

I was searched going into the ground yesterday by the police, despite the fact that I was with my family. I had also been checked by a steward before hand, and yet they still thought there was a need to check me as I may have gone to that one game looking to cause trouble, despite the fact the steward told them that I was a ST holder and I was with my family, and the majority of us were wearing replica shirts.

And just for the record, before some of you complain that I have an axe to grind, I have never even talked to the police before December, and since then I have only spoken to them when they stopped me when I was driving (not arrested/charged/fined, just a random stop).

[Guest DrFaustus]

Bigotry or blindly following the politically correct line like you ?

Old Spot is neither a thug nor a bigot.

He , like many I know are fed up with over the top reactions from those appointed to "care for our well being"

By the way he was there today with his family and is purely giving his opinion on what he saw.

I bet your farts don't even stink Robbored

I'm sure Old Spot doesn't need another like minded bigot like you to argue his case for him

How have Old Spot or Elvis been bigoted in anything they have said?

[England]

The Police are loyal to the 'Crown' not the 'People' in this country. This country has an unelected head of state i.e. the Queen, the second chamber is also unelected i.e. the House of Lords also there by birthright. Your goodself along with around 100,000 others get to vote for a member of Parliament to represent you once in around 5 years. That member of Parliament will have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Crown on entering Parliament. Due to this curious inherently undemocratic Parliamentary make-up the actual 'will of the people' is seldom represented by government in this country.

Congratulations RG - you have excelled yourself in coming up with the biggest load of garbage yet.

The Queen, who(m) you object to, has no power and does as she is told by the government of the day, the unelected Lords can only delay government intent so my original statement is far more accurate than the twaddle you keep repeating.

[bucksred]

Blimey here we go again, the Queen is an unelected head of state. As head of state she enjoys massive privilege at taxpayers expense i.e. numerous palaces, a royal train, massive art collections and money from the civil list. Are you honestly trying to tell me she has no power and no influence ???!!!! Believe me, the Queen, as head of state, is merely advised and never 'told' what to do. The army, navy, police and air force see the Queen as their commander in chief. And you write that the Queen has no power ?????!!!!!

Being pedantic, Mr goblin: We swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen as head of State, but she has no control over either us in the military, or the police. That is exercised through the duely elected government of the day. Which wouldnt change, even if we were a republic, as we both think we should be.

[England]

The Queen may have no 'control' as such but she does have immeasurable power and influence over 'her' government. Below is the transcript of a 'Queen's Speech' note how many times she refers to government as being "my government" - that is not a phrase that would be used by a head of state with no power or influence........

I really thought you had a degree of intelligence - who wrote her speach, why Tory B.Liar of course

[bucksred]

The Queen may have no 'control' as such but she does have immeasurable power and influence over 'her' government. Below is the transcript of a 'Queen's Speech' note how many times she refers to government as being "my government" - that is not a phrase that would be used by a head of state with no power or influence........

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons.

My government's central objectives are economic stability, and investment and reform in public services, leading to a more prosperous and inclusive society.

To this end, my government will continue to secure low inflation and sound public finances.

My government's main priorities for the forthcoming session will be in reform in education, health, crime and welfare.

My government will introduce legislation to reform education. An Education Bill will be introduced to promote diversity and higher standards, particularly in secondary schools. It will provide new opportunities for school sponsorship, more options for tackling failing schools, and greater freedom for successful headteachers and governors.

My government will introduce legislation to reform health services. A Bill will decentralise power and direct resources to national health service staff, give patients greater influence on the running of the NHS, and strengthen regulation of the health professions.

Legislation will be drafted to reform the provision of health services in Wales.

Legislation will be brought forward to reform sentencing and rules of evidence, with measures to tackle corruption and sex offenders.

A Bill will be introduced to increase powers against money laundering, establish a criminal assets recovery agency, and make it easier to recover the proceeds of crime and drugs.

Legislation will be brought forward to help the police fight crime, ensure that they can co-operate effectively across police force boundaries and establish a new complaints system.

Legislation to reform the criminal courts system will be drafted in the light of the forthcoming recommendations from the review by Lord Justice Auld.

Legislation will be introduced to extend the life of the Football (Disorder) Act.

My government will introduce legislation to reform the welfare system. A Bill will include measures to help more people back into work. Legislation will also be brought forward to introduce the new tax credits system, and to establish the new pension credit for pensioners.

My government will introduce legislation to encourage enterprise, strengthen competition laws, and promote safeguards for consumers.

A draft Bill to create a single regulator for the media and communications industries and reform the broadcasting and telecommunications regulations will be published.

Members of the House of Commons. estimates for the public service will be laid before you.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons. in Northern Ireland, my government will continue to work closely with the political parties and the Irish government to secure the full implementation of the Belfast Agreement.

My government maintains its commitment to devolution in Scotland and Wales.

Following consultation, my government will introduce legislation to implement the second phase of the House of Lords reform.

My government will prepare legislation to allow political parties to make positive moves to increase the representation of women in public life.

My government will publish draft legislation to take forward the recommendations of Lord Cullen's inquiry into rail safety.

Legislation will be introduced to reform the system of land registration to promote greater electronic conveyancing. The Bill to reform the purchase of freeholds by leaseholders and to create commonhold, a new form of tenure for flat owners, will be reintroduced.

My government will introduce legislation to make the age entitlement for concessionary travel fares the same for men and women at the age of 60.

A Bill will be introduced to reform adoption law to make children's interests paramount, and tackle inter-country adoption.

"My government will enable a free vote to take place on the future of hunting with dogs.

Other measures will be laid before you.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons. The Duke of Edinburgh and I were delighted to pay a state visit to Norway at the end of May.

Similarly, we were pleased to receive the state visit of his excellency the president of South Africa and Mrs Mbeki last week.

The Duke of Edinburgh and I look forward to attending the Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Australia and subsequently visiting New Zealand in October. We also look forward to receiving a state visit by the King and Queen of Jordan this autumn.

My government will work with our partners to make sure that Europe has the most competitive knowledge-based economy in the world. It will work for rapid progress on the enlargement of the European Union and will introduce legislation to enable the United Kingdom to ratify the Treaty of Nice and implement the Berlin own resources decision on the union's future funding.

Nato will remain the cornerstone of Britain's national security, and my government will work for a still more effective alliance defence. In this context, and to enable the European Union to act where Nato chooses not to do so, my government will work to improve the European Union's capacity, and member states' capabilities, for humanitarian, peace-keeping and crisis management tasks.

Legislation will be introduced to improve the transparency of export controls and to establish their purpose.

Tackling climate change and making a reality of sustainable development will be a priority for my Government. It will fulfil the United Kingdom's international obligations arising from the Kyoto protocol.

My government will work for an early and comprehensive World Trade Round, which will benefit industrialised and developing countries alike.

In the United Nations, my government will support a more modern and representative security council, and work to make conflict prevention and peacekeeping more effective.

My government will work to encourage universal, observance of human rights, including throughout the Commonwealth.

My government will continue to work for a more effective global effort to reduce poverty, and will reintroduce its Bill to entrench and strengthen the poverty focus to development work.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons: I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may rest upon your counsels.

Again, thats tradition, an protocol...even Adolfs Riech came out with jargon like that. all she controls is her purse strings, not even er orfspring

Its all Tones fault (and all his democratically elected predessors).....all horlix, but thats politics for ya

[WTFiGO!?!]

Have you been taking lessons/drugs courtesy of Taipan

I've had my suspisions as well Ron.

High he is, Acid he's on.

My agent is most p'd off they never sought permission before filming.

I wish they'd legalise the mooning of Police filming.

The Queen may have no 'control' as such but she does have immeasurable power and influence over 'her' government. Below is the transcript of a 'Queen's Speech' note how many times she refers to government as being "my government" - that is not a phrase that would be used by a head of state with no power or influence........

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons.

My government's central objectives are economic stability, and investment and reform in public services, leading to a more prosperous and inclusive society.

To this end, my government will continue to secure low inflation and sound public finances.

My government's main priorities for the forthcoming session will be in reform in education, health, crime and welfare.

My government will introduce legislation to reform education. An Education Bill will be introduced to promote diversity and higher standards, particularly in secondary schools. It will provide new opportunities for school sponsorship, more options for tackling failing schools, and greater freedom for successful headteachers and governors.

My government will introduce legislation to reform health services. A Bill will decentralise power and direct resources to national health service staff, give patients greater influence on the running of the NHS, and strengthen regulation of the health professions.

Legislation will be drafted to reform the provision of health services in Wales.

Legislation will be brought forward to reform sentencing and rules of evidence, with measures to tackle corruption and sex offenders.

A Bill will be introduced to increase powers against money laundering, establish a criminal assets recovery agency, and make it easier to recover the proceeds of crime and drugs.

Legislation will be brought forward to help the police fight crime, ensure that they can co-operate effectively across police force boundaries and establish a new complaints system.

Legislation to reform the criminal courts system will be drafted in the light of the forthcoming recommendations from the review by Lord Justice Auld.

Legislation will be introduced to extend the life of the Football (Disorder) Act.

My government will introduce legislation to reform the welfare system. A Bill will include measures to help more people back into work. Legislation will also be brought forward to introduce the new tax credits system, and to establish the new pension credit for pensioners.

My government will introduce legislation to encourage enterprise, strengthen competition laws, and promote safeguards for consumers.

A draft Bill to create a single regulator for the media and communications industries and reform the broadcasting and telecommunications regulations will be published.

Members of the House of Commons. estimates for the public service will be laid before you.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons. in Northern Ireland, my government will continue to work closely with the political parties and the Irish government to secure the full implementation of the Belfast Agreement.

My government maintains its commitment to devolution in Scotland and Wales.

Following consultation, my government will introduce legislation to implement the second phase of the House of Lords reform.

My government will prepare legislation to allow political parties to make positive moves to increase the representation of women in public life.

My government will publish draft legislation to take forward the recommendations of Lord Cullen's inquiry into rail safety.

Legislation will be introduced to reform the system of land registration to promote greater electronic conveyancing. The Bill to reform the purchase of freeholds by leaseholders and to create commonhold, a new form of tenure for flat owners, will be reintroduced.

My government will introduce legislation to make the age entitlement for concessionary travel fares the same for men and women at the age of 60.

A Bill will be introduced to reform adoption law to make children's interests paramount, and tackle inter-country adoption.

"My government will enable a free vote to take place on the future of hunting with dogs.

Other measures will be laid before you.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons. The Duke of Edinburgh and I were delighted to pay a state visit to Norway at the end of May.

Similarly, we were pleased to receive the state visit of his excellency the president of South Africa and Mrs Mbeki last week.

The Duke of Edinburgh and I look forward to attending the Commonwealth heads of government meeting in Australia and subsequently visiting New Zealand in October. We also look forward to receiving a state visit by the King and Queen of Jordan this autumn.

My government will work with our partners to make sure that Europe has the most competitive knowledge-based economy in the world. It will work for rapid progress on the enlargement of the European Union and will introduce legislation to enable the United Kingdom to ratify the Treaty of Nice and implement the Berlin own resources decision on the union's future funding.

Nato will remain the cornerstone of Britain's national security, and my government will work for a still more effective alliance defence. In this context, and to enable the European Union to act where Nato chooses not to do so, my government will work to improve the European Union's capacity, and member states' capabilities, for humanitarian, peace-keeping and crisis management tasks.

Legislation will be introduced to improve the transparency of export controls and to establish their purpose.

Tackling climate change and making a reality of sustainable development will be a priority for my Government. It will fulfil the United Kingdom's international obligations arising from the Kyoto protocol.

My government will work for an early and comprehensive World Trade Round, which will benefit industrialised and developing countries alike.

In the United Nations, my government will support a more modern and representative security council, and work to make conflict prevention and peacekeeping more effective.

My government will work to encourage universal, observance of human rights, including throughout the Commonwealth.

My government will continue to work for a more effective global effort to reduce poverty, and will reintroduce its Bill to entrench and strengthen the poverty focus to development work.

My Lords and Members of the House of Commons: I pray that the blessing of Almighty God may rest upon your counsels.

F'ing hell RG. Did you stop for a tea break during this post?

[Guest Sheepie]

Due to the moronic few that both clubs have following and the past history

between the two clubs, we the majority have to suffer.

Do you think that for one moment we enjoy starting off at 11am in the morning for a

3pm kick off when its only just over an hour up the road.

However in the circumstances I would just like to congratulate the Avon and Somerset

police on a well organised operation. Very good of them to stop all traffic around AG and

up to the M5 so we could get back to the pubs in Swansea at a reasonable time.

By the way you deserved your 1-0 win.

All the best in your relegation fight

[gazareth]

When are you going to stop with the tired "Tory B. Liar" 'joke'? We get it, you think he's a conservative and a liar. Please stop making the same weak pun - you can refer to him as "Tony Blair" without losing your republican credentials you know.

[Meh]

I've had my suspisions as well Ron.

High he is, Acid he's on.

Libellous this is, sue you I will.

Lawyer I need. The Jedi Council I must consult.

[bucksred]

Libellous this is, sue you I will.

Lawyer I need. The Jedi Council I must consult.

Naaaaah, al ya need is Legal aid, claim asylum and they'll pay. youre obviously not from round here

[Phantom]

Due to the moronic few that both clubs have following and the past history

between the two clubs, we the majority have to suffer.

Do you think that for one moment we enjoy starting off at 11am in the morning for a

3pm kick off when its only just over an hour up the road.

However in the circumstances I would just like to congratulate the Avon and Somerset

police on a well organised operation. Very good of them to stop all traffic around AG and

up to the M5 so we could get back to the pubs in Swansea at a reasonable time.

By the way you deserved your 1-0 win.

All the best in your relegation fight

At last a Swansea fan with an itelligent point of view, shame Jack Bstard is not as bright as you

[gazareth]

[WTFiGO!?!]

Libellous this is, sue you I will.

Lawyer I need. The Jedi Council I must consult.

Productive consultation I ask?

Out of court settlement of a Mars Bar I offer.

[Chivs]

Surely that means the will of the people because the majority of the people who voted, voted for the government.

Apart from the facts, you'll almost entirely right.

The vast majority of people who voted in the last General Election did not vote for the government. And that doesn't even begin to consider those who felt so disenfranchised by politics that they didn't use their vote.

Of course, you could extend this further and point out that two elections ago President Bush got less votes than his opponent in a two-horse race.

You were talking about the will of the people....

[bucksred]

Mr Goblin, rather this system than the PR system which has crippled every European country since WW2. At least hard decisions can be taken, with a minimum of fussin, whereas look at Germany, Italy, Israel, Holland, Denmark, Austria.and the mess they are all in. Democracies are rarely ideal for everyone, unfortunately.

[Guest Uncle Ern]

How the Donald Duck did a simple debate about whether OB were over the top degenerate into this ?

[WTFiGO!?!]

How the Donald Duck did a simple debate about whether OB were over the top degenerate into this ?

This post made me laugh a lot, but to answer the question I think you should read back over the whole thread and work it out yourself.

[England]

Apart from the facts, you'll almost entirely right.

The vast majority of people who voted in the last General Election did not vote for the government. And that doesn't even begin to consider those who felt so disenfranchised by politics that they didn't use their vote.

Of course, you could extend this further and point out that two elections ago President Bush got less votes than his opponent in a two-horse race.

You were talking about the will of the people....

touche sir - my use of English was poor. I should have said that the party receiving most votes became the elected government.

As to the peasants who didn't bother to vote, the result was all their fault and they should be part of the alternate saturday entertainment when City are away and be hung by the neck until dead on College Green - now that would draw the crowds.

[Meh]

Productive consultation I ask?

Out of court settlement of a Mars Bar I offer.

Accept I do. Mars Bars I cannot purchase on Degobah.

$hitty swamp so it is

[RedTop]

And in fact, it wasnt even the police that imposed it, because they couldnt. They requested it of Bristol City for the game at Swansea, and the people that run this club agreed.

The police blackmail the club into agreeing their draconian measures, which is a disgrace. It is the police that demand the ridiculous, unjust (and counter-productive, as argued in previous threads) measures such as insisting that all away fans travel on coaches from their 'home' city, despite the fact many do not live there. The club have little option but to agree because the police and council now have such power that they can threaten to reduce the capacity or even refuse a licence if the club does not do exactly what they demand.

Put yourself in SteveL's shoes, here. The police tell you that unless you agree to their demands to only let your fans travel by official club coach, the capacity for one of the few matches guaranteed to raise a big crowd - let's say Notts Forest, for example - will be severely restricted if there is the slightest sniff of trouble. The club are left with little alternative.

Given their demands regarding travel and ticket control, which both City and Swansea followed, the policing levels yesterday were completely over the top and, I believe, utterly unjustifiable. And of course, who has to pay for all this lovely overtime? The club. For which, read you and me. We pay the money for officers we don't need, just because the police threaten us unless we agree to the levels they want.

I also have to say that the blatant videoing of fans is itself little short of incitement, and surely goes against any principle of maintaining calm in a ground. I have never been involved in any violence at any match, nor would I in any way condone such appalling crime. But I have to say that, as a normal fan trying to watch my team, having a cop dressed like a member of the bloody SAS shove a camera blatantly in my face to video me as I carry about my lawful business of watching my club enrages me and leaves me feeling far more violated than anything the opposing fans can say and do. It has two effects:

1. It winds up fans, creating a more explosive situation

2. Such aggresive and non-specific provocation turns ordinary law-abiding supporters against the police.

And don't try to tell me it's just a way of getting fans' pictures on film. It isn't. The police can easily take a decent quality picture of any fan they want off of CCTV. It is about intimidating fans. And it reduces the respect that we have for the police, and therefore the support they can expect from us. Which is a shame, but true.

[DOLMANDAN]

Blimey here we go again, the Queen is an unelected head of state. As head of state she enjoys massive privilege at taxpayers expense i.e. numerous palaces, a royal train, massive art collections and money from the civil list. Are you honestly trying to tell me she has no power and no influence ???!!!! Believe me, the Queen, as head of state, is merely advised and never 'told' what to do. The army, navy, police and air force see the Queen as their commander in chief. And you write that the Queen has no power ?????!!!!!

The negative attitude shown towards the authoities really concerns me not just flipant remarks but really deep seated hatred for police and any other person in authority.One last question what is the alternative anarchy mob rule survival of the fittest is that the way we want to live this is my final post on this subject.

[WTFiGO!?!]

The negative attitude shown towards the authoities really concerns me not just flipant remarks but really deep seated hatred for police and any other person in authority.One last question what is the alternative anarchy mob rule survival of the fittest is that the way we want to live this is my final post on this subject.

I don't mind authority just as long as it doesn't try telling me what I can and can't do.

[scootered]

The police blackmail the club into agreeing their draconian measures, which is a disgrace. It is the police that demand the ridiculous, unjust (and counter-productive, as argued in previous threads) measures such as insisting that all away fans travel on coaches from their 'home' city, despite the fact many do not live there. The club have little option but to agree because the police and council now have such power that they can threaten to reduce the capacity or even refuse a licence if the club does not do exactly what they demand.

Put yourself in SteveL's shoes, here. The police tell you that unless you agree to their demands to only let your fans travel by official club coach, the capacity for one of the few matches guaranteed to raise a big crowd - let's say Notts Forest, for example - will be severely restricted if there is the slightest sniff of trouble. The club are left with little alternative.

Given their demands regarding travel and ticket control, which both City and Swansea followed, the policing levels yesterday were completely over the top and, I believe, utterly unjustifiable. And of course, who has to pay for all this lovely overtime? The club. For which, read you and me. We pay the money for officers we don't need, just because the police threaten us unless we agree to the levels they want.

I also have to say that the blatant videoing of fans is itself little short of incitement, and surely goes against any principle of maintaining calm in a ground. I have never been involved in any violence at any match, nor would I in any way condone such appalling crime. But I have to say that, as a normal fan trying to watch my team, having a cop dressed like a member of the bloody SAS shove a camera blatantly in my face to video me as I carry about my lawful business of watching my club enrages me and leaves me feeling far more violated than anything the opposing fans can say and do. It has two effects:

1. It winds up fans, creating a more explosive situation

2. Such aggresive and non-specific provocation turns ordinary law-abiding supporters against the police.

And don't try to tell me it's just a way of getting fans' pictures on film. It isn't. The police can easily take a decent quality picture of any fan they want off of CCTV. It is about intimidating fans. And it reduces the respect that we have for the police, and therefore the support they can expect from us. Which is a shame, but true.

Excellent post, and spot on

[Guest malaggro]

Survival of the fittest and punctuation sound pretty good to me.

[Guest MaloneFM]

But this club is a total disgrace in allowing such an overkill for such a little match. When we played swampsea in the league cup a couple of years ago there was hardly any plod present and no hint of trouble,

Oh Spotty bless your heart.

Was that the very same league cup game where we went 1 - 0 up after about a minute? Where Jan Molby got 'you fat blister' as he walked off at half time pointed to himself and said 'me?'. Was that also the same league cup game where it was another 45 minutes of dull long ball rubbish?

And 10 minutes before the end Swansea ran at the pitch to try to get it abandoned and fought with the police dogs and the stewards? Would that not qualify as a hint then?

I may be old and nuts and think I'm a penguin but I remember that one.

[Guest Uncle Ern]

Red Top you've cut through the crap and said it as it is.

Fair play

[Robbored]

The police blackmail the club into agreeing their draconian measures, which is a disgrace. It is the police that demand the ridiculous, unjust (and counter-productive, as argued in previous threads) measures such as insisting that all away fans travel on coaches from their 'home' city, despite the fact many do not live there. The club have little option but to agree because the police and council now have such power that they can threaten to reduce the capacity or even refuse a licence if the club does not do exactly what they demand.

Agreed...

Put yourself in SteveL's shoes, here. The police tell you that unless you agree to their demands to only let your fans travel by official club coach, the capacity for one of the few matches guaranteed to raise a big crowd - let's say Notts Forest, for example - will be severely restricted if there is the slightest sniff of trouble. The club are left with little alternative.

Agreed..

Given their demands regarding travel and ticket control, which both City and Swansea followed, the policing levels yesterday were completely over the top and, I believe, utterly unjustifiable. And of course, who has to pay for all this lovely overtime? The club. For which, read you and me. We pay the money for officers we don't need, just because the police threaten us unless we agree to the levels they want.

Possibly so....

say that the blatant videoing of fans is itself little short of incitement, and surely goes against any principle of maintaining calm in a ground. I have never been involved in any violence at any match, nor would I in any way condone such appalling crime. But I have to say that, as a normal fan trying to watch my team, having a cop dressed like a member of the bloody SAS shove a camera blatantly in my face to video me as I carry about my lawful business of watching my club enrages me and leaves me feeling far more violated than anything the opposing fans can say and do. It has two effects:

1. It winds up fans, creating a more explosive situation

2. Such aggresive and non-specific provocation turns ordinary law-abiding supporters against the police.

Nonsense - Ive been videod and at any number of away matches and haven't felt either 'wound up' inany way.Why? because I have nothing to fear.I'm not a hooligan ,I don't cause trouble nor do I intend to.The police can video me as much as they like - it ain't a problem as far I'm concerned.

s a shame, but true.

[PhatWill]

The only people at the Gate on Saturday who were intent on causing trouble were the filth.

[cider head]

The police blackmail the club into agreeing their draconian measures, which is a disgrace. It is the police that demand the ridiculous, unjust (and counter-productive, as argued in previous threads) measures such as insisting that all away fans travel on coaches from their 'home' city, despite the fact many do not live there. The club have little option but to agree because the police and council now have such power that they can threaten to reduce the capacity or even refuse a licence if the club does not do exactly what they demand.

Put yourself in SteveL's shoes, here. The police tell you that unless you agree to their demands to only let your fans travel by official club coach, the capacity for one of the few matches guaranteed to raise a big crowd - let's say Notts Forest, for example - will be severely restricted if there is the slightest sniff of trouble. The club are left with little alternative.

Given their demands regarding travel and ticket control, which both City and Swansea followed, the policing levels yesterday were completely over the top and, I believe, utterly unjustifiable. And of course, who has to pay for all this lovely overtime? The club. For which, read you and me. We pay the money for officers we don't need, just because the police threaten us unless we agree to the levels they want.

I also have to say that the blatant videoing of fans is itself little short of incitement, and surely goes against any principle of maintaining calm in a ground. I have never been involved in any violence at any match, nor would I in any way condone such appalling crime. But I have to say that, as a normal fan trying to watch my team, having a cop dressed like a member of the bloody SAS shove a camera blatantly in my face to video me as I carry about my lawful business of watching my club enrages me and leaves me feeling far more violated than anything the opposing fans can say and do. It has two effects:

1. It winds up fans, creating a more explosive situation

2. Such aggresive and non-specific provocation turns ordinary law-abiding supporters against the police.

And don't try to tell me it's just a way of getting fans' pictures on film. It isn't. The police can easily take a decent quality picture of any fan they want off of CCTV. It is about intimidating fans. And it reduces the respect that we have for the police, and therefore the support they can expect from us. Which is a shame, but true.

spot on fair shout..

[Meh]

It certainly seemed that way. Was there really any need for this type of 'Old Bill OverKill' on Saturday? .......

Of course there was.

After all, they took out 2 fans who went quietly

Our club paid for that debacle. The Chief Super must be laughing all the way to his un-earned bonus!

[cheshire_red]

What were the two arrested for? Presume something like language or racist comments? or even, horror of horrors, standing?

Anyway, we are so short of players these days that one of the coppers has squad number 24 on!

[WTFiGO!?!]

I reckon its due to the fact OB presence is so rare at Football and at AG that they've completely fallen out of touch with how peaceful it has become and so what ever minor infringements there are they clamp down on all the more.

Am proud to announce I feature in this picture but I've heard the 'racist' chanting before and its gone completely unprevented with the absence of OB. You could even interpret it as more of a fact of oppinion than racism. Would it be racist for me to claim that I'd rather be from Australia (nice hot democratic country) than N.Korea?