Barrs Court Red Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Anyone buying coach tickets to this match is only encouraging this type of behaviour from the Police and football clubs. We have moved on from the days where football fans were treated like cattle on trains, away from home. Unfortuantly it seems A&S police are still stuck in a timewarp.This coach only scheme is an afront to all decent fans, and puts us on the presipice of a very very slippery slope indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Eaten Pillow Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Anyone buying coach tickets to this match is only encouraging this type of behaviour from the Police and football clubs. We have moved on from the days where football fans were treated like cattle on trains, away from home. Unfortuantly it seems A&S police are still stuck in a timewarp.This coach only scheme is an afront to all decent fans, and puts us on the presipice of a very very slippery slope indeed.Agreed 100%. You can take our trees but you can't take our freedom.As I mentioned yesterday old bill would rather marshall it than actually police it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collis Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why are the police going to care if knowone turns up? It will only be the clubs that lose money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Surely it's Swansea's police we should be moaning at?Also only 700 odd last year (compared to 1,500 Swans at ours) sounds like a bit of a boycott to me, and that hasn't changed the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Eaten Pillow Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why are the police going to care if knowone turns up? It will only be the clubs that lose money.Who cares what police care about it the reason to boycott is to make a point. and who cares if Swansea lose out on money - City wouldn't lose money at all - the coaches in not for profit and City get no cut of gate receipts for league games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaSnake Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why are the police going to care if knowone turns up? It will only be the clubs that lose money.Exactly, and i'm not going to not buy a ticket and miss the game, to prove a point about freedom etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I'm considering going.It's not the players fault the Police decide this. So when they look over to the away end and see it practically empty don't moan when we don't get the three points.They need and deserve our support despite what methods it takes to get there.MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seend Red Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Anyone buying coach tickets to this match is only encouraging this type of behaviour from the Police and football clubs. We have moved on from the days where football fans were treated like cattle on trains, away from home. Unfortuantly it seems A&S police are still stuck in a timewarp.This coach only scheme is an afront to all decent fans, and puts us on the presipice of a very very slippery slope indeed.Maybe you should start a petition and get it pinned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Surely it's Swansea's police we should be moaning at?As I understand it, its more a case of A&S wanting Swansea fans shipped in on the return fixture.To get this, they meet halfway... i.e. BOTH games are coach only.I do agree it seems stupid that its come to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Boy Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Just what the Police want then Nobody there.No atmosphere.Nothing to do and getting well paid for doing it.Bu**er that mate. Let's sell all the tickets, make loads of noise and cheer the lads home to a win.Swansea have the same restrictions applied and the Club have managed to get additional pick up points on both sides of the bridge, so that's a moral victory at least.There are reasons why I would boycott a game, but it's only effective at home if we've got a protest against our club, not a ticketing policy for which neither club is responsible.The fixture has a history of crowd problems, especially over there, so let's all get real.So far it's one game a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busterrimes Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 As I understand it, its more a case of A&S wanting Swansea fans shipped in on the return fixture.To get this, they meet halfway... i.e. BOTH games are coach only.I do agree it seems stupid that its come to this. Unfortunately a precedent was set when the two play-off games with Cardiff were played without incident becasue of the Coach only rule. A & S police see this as a positive so will continue to make all games against South Wales sides the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 This happens week in week out with lots of teams being subject to "bubble" games, this is because it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StapleHillPhil Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 This happens week in week out with lots of teams being subject to "bubble" games, this is because it works. Are there any other examples of games where the visiting fans have to travel by official coach? There might be but I can't think of any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Maybe you should start a petition and get it pinned still sore on that subject are we?swipe, swipe, swipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhatWill Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 If I am forced to travel on CATS then it'll be vodka in the coke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Are there any other examples of games where the visiting fans have to travel by official coach? There might be but I can't think of any.Cardiff- Leeds.Millwall- CardiffAberdeen- HeartsThese are just ones I have heard from last season, I am sure if you looked into it there would be plenty more.The point is, that it works and is an effective way of Policing potential violent situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Percy Parrot Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 My understanding of it is that when this has been done in the past it has pretty much completely eliminated trouble from games that otherwise can cause serious issues.I would far rather go by coach than not be allowed to go at all (for years Cardiff and Swansea didn't allow away fans).It's far from ideal, I agree- but suggesting that it's like putting fans on cattle trucks is a little strange. We'll be put on good(ish) coaches and get there safely. It's not that bad. Sure it's nice to go how you want to go but I really don't think the odd game like this is a problem.Glad they've sorted extra pick up routes to help fans living towards Swansea- that's good.Finally, in some ways it makes it exciting anyway- I quite like it when you turn up to AG and see thousands of people waiting to get on the coaches all at the same time and then seeing a huge line of coaches snake it's way up the Portway and over the Severn Bridge.Anyway my point it- ideal it is not- but nor is it a huge problem or a reason to boycott the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 This is one of the away games I look for at the start of the season and i'm not going to miss it over something as silly as how I get there.Beer is served in the concourse and, if last year is anything to go by, we'll arrive early enough to sink a few and get in the mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taunton_City Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 This is one of the away games I look for at the start of the season and i'm not going to miss it over something as silly as how I get there.Beer is served in the concourse and, if last year is anything to go by, we'll arrive early enough to sink a few and get in the mood. here here!! not missing this one lets sell all 2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1cityfan_tucks Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Anyone buying coach tickets to this match is only encouraging this type of behaviour from the Police and football clubs. Although, as many others have said it is not ideal, i do not blame the Police and clubs for these compulsory coach trips. I blame the mindless thugs who claim to support their clubs, that try to cause trouble at these fixtures both in and out of the ground (e.g Cardiff and Swansea). Due to this, in my opinion, it has left the police and club no other options than to lay on policed coaches. One factor that we can look at slightly on the brighter side, is that it could be further. I have heard from a few people that their is a possibility of these policed coaches going to Millwall. Anyone heard anything about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Eaten Pillow Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Although, as many others have said it is not ideal, i do not blame the Police and clubs for these compulsory coach trips. I blame the mindless thugs who claim to support their clubs, that try to cause trouble at these fixtures both in and out of the ground (e.g Cardiff and Swansea). Due to this, in my opinion, it has left the police and club no other options than to lay on policed coaches. One factor that we can look at slightly on the brighter side, is that it could be further. I have heard from a few people that their is a possibility of these policed coaches going to Millwall. Anyone heard anything about this?Heard from a very good source (Plod) that Millwall is a travel as you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmeanie Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 i wouldnt miss this game for the world. It's not great - but at least I get to watch the game. I remember not being allowed to go to Cardiff away because it was ST holders only. Boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Its a decision thats made in the interests of fan safety and I can't understand why anyone would want to boycott the game because they have to travel on official coaches.History tells us that the fixture is a potentially volatile one and it makes perfect sense to minimise any risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 If I am forced to travel on CATS then it'll be vodka in the coke.Really?Try this http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.orgI hope you get through this ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moth Eaten Pillow Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Really?Try this http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.orgI hope you get through this ordeal. But its a Sunday morning - Sundays were made for drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I think this method of policing is bar far the most cost effective and thorough. Last week I witnessed Wolves being escorted from Tinnion Park to Cardiff Central. At the front of the escort were 6 mounted police, cctv van, police motorcycle units x 3, 10-15 foot police at the back I counted no fewer than 20, Riot Vans/Police Transporters. This operation must hacve cost a fortune of Tax payers money. If the "bubble" travel arrangements stop this type of Police overkill then bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fRed Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 This operation must hacve cost a fortune of Tax payers money.I thought that the football clubs have to pay for the policing :Confused13: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I thought that the football clubs have to pay for the policing :Confused13:They do.Avon and Somerset police charged £50 per hour per copper last season.Thats why many clubs employ their own stewards - its far cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest North Street Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 They do.Avon and Somerset police charged £50 per hour per copper last season.Thats why many clubs employ their own stewards - its far cheaper.Also in seasons past sit them in the old supporters bar in the Williams v Plymouth, Hartlepool etc doing nothing. Now how can i get a mention of the East End, alleged trouble and policing costs in here? Cue yawning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 I thought that the football clubs have to pay for the policing :Confused13:the clubs have no choice, either have the games policed or run the risk of huge fines when encountered with football related violence in the surrounding areas and city centres. There was simply no need to use the ammount of Police resource that was in force in Cardiff on Saturday. By employing a bubble scenario, the charges could have been dramatically reduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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