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The sentence "............the Met and British Transport Police have planned a Pan-London operation.....and a high visibility presence.." would say to me that there WILL be ticket checks, maybe even at Paddington - but certainly at London Bridge and South Bermondsey.

Fortunately I have a ticket - but if I didn't and was planning to go ( although I wouldn't personaly go ticketless) then I would plan to arrive by a less obvious route.

I also wouldn't be surprised if large groups of boisterous fans (with tickets) arriving at Paddington were rounded up & escorted to a "safe" pub either at Paddington or LB. I can't see the ob allowing a large group of City to congregate around LB for example.

Similarly - after the match - I would guess that everyone who didn't travel by official coach will be escorted down the "station walkway" and escorted through LB and out of South London possibly all the way to Paddington regardless of your own travel arrangements.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but I don't remember such a Police statement on the OS before?

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The sentence "............the Met and British Transport Police have planned a Pan-London operation.....and a high visibility presence.." would say to me that there WILL be ticket checks, maybe even at Paddington - but certainly at London Bridge and South Bermondsey.

Fortunately I have a ticket - but if I didn't and was planning to go ( although I wouldn't personaly go ticketless) then I would plan to arrive by a less obvious route.

I also wouldn't be surprised if large groups of boisterous fans (with tickets) arriving at Paddington were rounded up & escorted to a "safe" pub either at Paddington or LB. I can't see the ob allowing a large group of City to congregate around LB for example.

Similarly - after the match - I would guess that everyone who didn't travel by official coach will be escorted down the "station walkway" and escorted through LB and out of South London possibly all the way to Paddington regardless of your own travel arrangements.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but I don't remember such a Police statement on the OS before?

Edit link added http://www.bcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,1...1012836,00.html

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depends how youre getting there ,,if you are going by train then there is a very good chance everybody will be rounded up and put in one pub,,but if youre getting to paddington through different means of transport then it will be difficult for them,,i don't mind being hearded by ob but id rayher have the freedom of choice where i want to drink prematch

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The sentence "............the Met and British Transport Police have planned a Pan-London operation.....and a high visibility presence.." would say to me that there WILL be ticket checks, maybe even at Paddington - but certainly at London Bridge and South Bermondsey.

Fortunately I have a ticket - but if I didn't and was planning to go ( although I wouldn't personaly go ticketless) then I would plan to arrive by a less obvious route.

I also wouldn't be surprised if large groups of boisterous fans (with tickets) arriving at Paddington were rounded up & escorted to a "safe" pub either at Paddington or LB. I can't see the ob allowing a large group of City to congregate around LB for example.

Similarly - after the match - I would guess that everyone who didn't travel by official coach will be escorted down the "station walkway" and escorted through LB and out of South London possibly all the way to Paddington regardless of your own travel arrangements.

Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself but I don't remember such a Police statement on the OS before?

Edit link added http://www.bcfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,1...1012836,00.html

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CodeRed

OK, so I've been reading with interest all the debate/reasonable concerns/scaremongering (delete as applicable) over the last few days about the trip to Millwall. I'm going with my brother-in-law and my 10 year old son. We're travelling by train via Reading, Paddington, London Bridge, South Bermondsey. We won't be wearing City colours, we will be drinking in pubs (Lemonade for my boy) and we will not be looking for trouble. Oh yes, and we have tickets.

Now the thing is, I could easily be swayed by some of the hype about this and not take my son, thereby wasting a ticket and denying him an opportunity to see City possibly promoted. If I'd never been to Millwall or not been innocently been caught up in football related incidents in the past and taken these stories at face value, then I may have been deterred.

In the past I have been eternally grateful for the thin blue line holding strong in the car park at Cardiff and other places, even at home a time or two. Stoke arriving unannounced at the Rising Sun with a hail of bottles anybody?

I'm not naive and I know the score. There is clearly an element of risk. Maybe we have been too long in the lower divisions and will need to be more cognisant of the risks when/if travelling in the higher divisions? :dunno:

If I come back on here on Sunday with tales of woe about our experience, then I guess you can say "I told you so". But for now, I'm going to attend the game, keep ourselves to ourselves, not give it the big one to Wall fans at the station and generally enjoy the day, just as I have at other grounds up and down the country.

Hope I'm right :unsure:

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'I also wouldn't be surprised if large groups of boisterous fans (with tickets) arriving at Paddington were rounded up & escorted to a "safe" pub either at Paddington or LB'

That will definitely happen. It happens with everyone else

' I can't see the ob allowing a large group of City to congregate around LB for example'.

!!!! No shit sherlock!!! As ive said a million times, if you are on your own, or with a couple of people, quietly behaving, you will get no trouble and wonder what the fuss was all about. But if any group of Bristol, hooligans or not, are seen wandering around LB, there will be trouble.....100%.

'I would guess that everyone who didn't travel by official coach will be escorted down the "station walkway" and escorted through LB and out of South London possibly all the way to Paddington regardless of your own travel arrangements'

This has happened before. I remember seeing Leeds being escorted in LB and the old bill forcing everyone onto the tube. Leeds fans were argueing with the law, trying to get out but they were having none of it (with the exception of a few family fans)

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I've been to Millwall a couple of times, including the game about 10 years ago when Millwall invaded thepitch at the end, and the police have got games there pretty much off pat in and around the ground. Any trouble that there will be is going to be away from the ground and easily avoided so nobody should have any really large fears about going there.

These days to actually get caught up in any trouble at football you've either got to be looking for it (in which case you deserve everything you get), naive or a complete fool.

Just don't expect to get away from the ground quickly. Every time I've been they let you out of the ground but keep everybody penned back behind a bloody big fence just outside until all the home fans have dispersed. Usually about a 45 minute delay.

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The last time we played at Millwall (after the game) we were put on the train at South Bermondsey and had a police escort right through the tube network (not allowing anyone else on at any other tube stations) to Paddington where we were FORCED (NO EXCUSES) to board the next train back to Bristol- EVEN IF YOU DROVE TO LONDON- the OB just wouldn't let you out of the escort at all.

IMO there will be trouble in and around the London Bridge Station area on saturday but it will be sporadic as there will be too many OB about.

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P.s. What is all this 'cross networks' thingy in the Police statement?.

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The last time we played at Millwall (after the game) we were put on the train at South Bermondsey and had a police escort right through the tube network (not allowing anyone else on at any other tube stations) to Paddington where we were FORCED (NO EXCUSES) to board the next train back to Bristol- EVEN IF YOU DROVE TO LONDON- the OB just wouldn't let you out of the escort at all.

IMO there will be trouble in and around the London Bridge Station area on saturday but it will be sporadic as there will be too many OB about.

If so, thats an absolute disgrace. The police have no right to force people to board trains back to Bristol if they have plans to stay in London. What do they think this is, a fascist regime?

I'm supposed to be meeting friends in central London after the game and staying overnight and if this escort is likely to be the case, then I'm far more worried about the old bill ruining my day than I am the Millwall fans. Says it all.

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The last time we played at Millwall (after the game) we were put on the train at South Bermondsey and had a police escort right through the tube network (not allowing anyone else on at any other tube stations) to Paddington where we were FORCED (NO EXCUSES) to board the next train back to Bristol- EVEN IF YOU DROVE TO LONDON- the OB just wouldn't let you out of the escort at all.

IMO there will be trouble in and around the London Bridge Station area on saturday but it will be sporadic as there will be too many OB about.

BCAGFC

P.s. What is all this 'cross networks' thingy in the Police statement?.

how can they put you on a train thats full up and that you havent got a ticket for :blink::blink::dunno:

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They do it to us every week mate, that is why we don't bother buying return or tube tickets!!

actually that quite suits me in a way if that is the case,but our coach driver at paddington might be wondering where we all are,still train is quicker than coach and I'm only round the corner from btm

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Seems to be the way of it (OB putting everybody on the train regardless of where they actually have to get to)

see this account of a QPR fans visit to Millwall - scroll dwn to section 6. 7. 8. if you don't want to read about the game - to find out about the treatment given out by the police to fans for their own safety ! Also the account does seem to bear out what our "Millwall Friend" on this thread has said in that 3 QPR (not thugs) were drinking quietly a pub near LB and were "spotted" and threatened by some Millwall ######s.

http://queensparkrangers.rivals.net/defaul...mp;stid=8392986

I'm also concerned as I'm driving (picking up mates en route) and was going to park on the outskirts of London and then tube into either Waterloo or maybe Borough tube station for a few beers (no colours on) and then tube to LB.

I don't really want to find myself on the train out of Paddington when my car's in Hammersmith or Hounslow. Presumably if that happens we'll have to get off at Slough and double back! Doesn't sound like there's going to be too much of a promotion party!

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how can they put you on a train thats full up and that you havent got a ticket for :blink::blink::dunno:

Doesn't matter, the OB can do anything if they think it is warranted, some people had to get off at the first station out of Paddington and go back in to collect their cars.

There was a bit of trouble before that game and I can see the same happening again on saturday, I will also not be too happy as I am planning to have a night out in Central London afterwards.

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P.s. The story from the QPR fan is more or less EXACTLY what happened except for the fact that the OB eventually allowed them to get their proper train, that did not happen in our case, as I said NO EXCUSES.

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Seems to be the way of it (OB putting everybody on the train regardless of where they actually have to get to)

see this account of a QPR fans visit to Millwall - scroll dwn to section 6. 7. 8. if you don't want to read about the game - to find out about the treatment given out by the police to fans for their own safety ! Also the account does seem to bear out what our "Millwall Friend" on this thread has said in that 3 QPR (not thugs) were drinking quietly a pub near LB and were "spotted" and threatened by some Millwall ######s.

http://queensparkrangers.rivals.net/defaul...mp;stid=8392986

I'm also concerned as I'm driving (picking up mates en route) and was going to park on the outskirts of London and then tube into either Waterloo or maybe Borough tube station for a few beers (no colours on) and then tube to LB.

I don't really want to find myself on the train out of Paddington when my car's in Hammersmith or Hounslow. Presumably if that happens we'll have to get off at Slough and double back! Doesn't sound like there's going to be too much of a promotion party!

CodeRed

I'm also worried i have to get back 2 my family at caterham as thats where my wife and kids will b and my car

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The last time we played at Millwall (after the game) we were put on the train at South Bermondsey and had a police escort right through the tube network (not allowing anyone else on at any other tube stations) to Paddington where we were FORCED (NO EXCUSES) to board the next train back to Bristol- EVEN IF YOU DROVE TO LONDON- the OB just wouldn't let you out of the escort at all.IMO there will be trouble in and around the London Bridge Station area on saturday but it will be sporadic as there will be too many OB about.

BCAGFC

My mate, her brother, his friend and i are driving to brentford parking there, and getting the train central london to look around for abit

then getting the tube to south Bermondsey when the groung opens,

i will be well p*ssed off if we cant just make our own back to the car!

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As a City fan who lives in South London about 20-30 mins from Millwall, getting escorted back to Paddington doesn't exactly excite me too much.

Having said that, if we get promoted I won't really care where I end up.

The police do have certain powers for situations like these where the whole civil liberties thing can thrown out the window.

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Seems to be the way of it (OB putting everybody on the train regardless of where they actually have to get to)

see this account of a QPR fans visit to Millwall - scroll dwn to section 6. 7. 8. if you don't want to read about the game - to find out about the treatment given out by the police to fans for their own safety ! Also the account does seem to bear out what our "Millwall Friend" on this thread has said in that 3 QPR (not thugs) were drinking quietly a pub near LB and were "spotted" and threatened by some Millwall ######s.

http://queensparkrangers.rivals.net/defaul...mp;stid=8392986

I'm also concerned as I'm driving (picking up mates en route) and was going to park on the outskirts of London and then tube into either Waterloo or maybe Borough tube station for a few beers (no colours on) and then tube to LB.

I don't really want to find myself on the train out of Paddington when my car's in Hammersmith or Hounslow. Presumably if that happens we'll have to get off at Slough and double back! Doesn't sound like there's going to be too much of a promotion party!

CodeRed

Drive to Ealing Broadway and park around there (Jct2 M4 then north circular from chisick rounabout). That way if you do get herded back to Paddington you can easily get the train/tube back to Ealing also Ealing is on the Central line so nice and easy to get to any point in London from there

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The only way we'll get herded back to Paddington is if a bunch of morons cause the police to resort to these measures. In which case our own 'so-called fans' are likely to be just as much to blame as Millwalls.

Out of interest do we have to pay for our 'return' ticket back into London. I can see some interesting arguments with the transport police!!

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My mate, her brother, his friend and i are driving to brentford parking there, and getting the train central london to look around for abit

then getting the tube to south Bermondsey when the groung opens,

i will be well p*ssed off if we cant just make our own back to the car!

same as us mate

do you know then where the tube station is in brentford?,

can't find it on the interweb :dunno:

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The QPR text only mentions compulsory tube travel with a police escort, and no mention of having to get on inter city trains to other towns.

If we are forced to Paddington it is not really a problem as those that don't want to get onto a train can easily switch to other lines at Paddington and get to where they want to. Paddington also ha some top drinking establishments!

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The police do have certain powers for situations like these where the whole civil liberties thing can thrown out the window.

The low-life son of a lawyer and war mongering lawyer himself below is responsible for the English peoples' current lack of civil liberties. Tony Blair and his New Labour Party lawyer creed truely stink of corruption.......

blairtakingliberties.jpg

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The QPR text only mentions compulsory tube travel with a police escort, and no mention of having to get on inter city trains to other towns.

If we are forced to Paddington it is not really a problem as those that don't want to get onto a train can easily switch to other lines at Paddington and get to where they want to. Paddington also ha some top drinking establishments!

I (and many others) tried everything to get out the escort, if the OB want you out of London they will get you out- FACT.

What surprised me though was that when we got to Paddington BR concourse normal passengers were pushed out the way by the OB to make a corridor (dogs and all) to take us to the Bristol trains platform, (it was a bit like the films you see of WWII and the jews being herded on to trains), it was a bit like Plymouth Argyle by train quite a few years ago when our train was put in the middle of 3 tracks and we were not allowed off the train AT ALL.

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