Daft, Disgraceful And Disappointing...

[Redtilldead]

People have to get their buzz somewhere. Some get it through drink, some get it through drugs, some get it through violence. It's very rare that innocent people get caught up in any trouble that occurs, certainly in the modern day anyway.

As I said here during the week - if you were to come down and didn't want trouble you would not encounter any trouble. I love the fact we're hated and feared but I don't like it when so much rubbish is written about us. "They hit scarfers", "Theay eat children" it's all a load of rubbish. If you come down Saturday, drink away from the ground and don't do anything stupid you will be FINE.

Yeah but hold on MrMillwall, do you live by these policies yourselves???,

I have been reading Blue Lion's posts on this forum for the last few weeks, and I have to say, I generally agree with most things that he has to say, (he sounds to me like a real football fan), but... if any City fan was to post a message like Blue did, (about life as a Milwall fan) they would be, and have been called, knuckledraggers, yet lots of people on here are praising him for his honesty, not having a go at you Blue, its just the hypocrisy of some fans who post on here.

[Dolman Block B]

Yeah but hold on MrMillwall, do you live by these policies yourselves???,

I have been reading Blue Lion's posts on this forum for the last few weeks, and I have to say, I generally agree with most things that he has to say, (he sounds to me like a real football fan), but... if any City fan was to post a message like Blue did, (about life as a Milwall fan) they would be, and have been called, knuckledraggers, yet lots of people on here are praising him for his honesty, not having a go at you Blue, its just the hypocrisy of some fans who post on here.

Thats a good post RTD and all exactly spot on!

[Simon Lambley]

"I'm forever blowing bubbles" as michael jackson once said,

i'd forgot about Millwalls "status" i always thought the ICF and Bill gardner had

the real reputation.

oh and the mile end mob 3 brothers who if they couldnt find any faces to fight they'd

fight each other...

i'm interested in the hooligan theology, and i kinda understand why but at petrol stations and wasteland

not at a ground where innocent women and kids can accidentally get harmed.

my wifes not on offer , i do have a dog however

[everreddy]

It's amazing how well you know me after replying to, what, two posts on a message board

In your mind, hooliganism has no place in football, but for others it does....an arguement that has gone back 40 years and is as tedious now as it no doubt was back then. People like you are never going to understand it and the people on the other side are always going to believe in what they do.

and how exactly does violence have a place in Iraq? I'm sure the women and children of that country will be delighted to know that you agree with the on going chaos over there.

...as "delighted", no doubt, as the innocent women and children, and others, caught up in the chaos and violence you revel in.

I'm switching off, now, as you're clearly in a totally different mindset to any rational human being, worthy of the name....

Enjoy the game, DB ... and for goodness sake, don't cause trouble if things don't go your way...

PEACE!!!

[Andy Horsman]

No probs.....you'll find that a lot of my posts include tounge-in-cheek, sacrcastic, harmless humour!

Maybe the heat and tension of the coming weekend is getting to all of us.

Come 5.00 Saturday, I'm sure we'll all be singing from the same hymn sheet......and that wasn't a religously motivated dig at anyone!

Anyway, wouldn't you be getting a tractor upto London?

Only if I can't get the Combine started,wifes banjo playing distracted me and I ploughed it into a hedge! :noexpression: :noexpression:

[exiledinwatford]

"I'm forever blowing bubbles" as michael jackson once said,

i'd forgot about Millwalls "status" i always thought the ICF and Bill gardner had

the real reputation.

oh and the mile end mob 3 brothers who if they couldnt find any faces to fight they'd

fight each other...

i'm interested in the hooligan theology, and i kinda understand why but at petrol stations and wasteland

not at a ground where innocent women and kids can accidentally get harmed.

my wifes not on offer , i do have a dog however

That's how I see it Red Lam. If groups of people want a tear up why not organise something in a field somewhere. Why does it have to be football? I really appreciate opposition fans and enjoy a beer and a chat before and even after the game - not much chance tomorrow. This isn't just about Millwall - we have more than our fair share of idiots.

[COLDBLOWLANE]

And that may be the case.....but to me the over-riding "advice" given by all the guys from Millwall has carried an under-tone of scare-mongering, probably because, as stated, the minority, or in this case possibly majority, enjoy having the reputation and will do all they can to keep it.

The vast majority of City fans going will be there purely for a good day out, a city win, promotion and a good all sing-song........I doubt they will want to walk the streets, drink in their manor or run on the pitch, in other words not taking "liberties" or showing "disrespect" but you can bet your bottom dollar that Millwall will revel in making it overly hostile and will no doubt at some point clamber over seats to try an get at the city contigent

Came on here tonight to see how the Bristol fans are warming up for tomorrow. Your use of speechmarks ("advice") implies that you treat that advice more as a threat.

Millwall have a significant minority who do of course revel in, and like to live up to, their reputation. No Millwall fan would deny this. There are also a minority of Bristol City fans who themselves are not shrinking violets (I remember meeting a nice couple of thousand of them at Dulwich Hamlet many years ago, when you lot were playing Corinthian Casuals in an early round of the FA Cup).

Were we playing Wycombe Wanderers tomorrow, there would in all probability not be one arrest. There were a handful of arrests at the FA Cup semi final and final, a number of whom were Sunderland and Man Utd fans. You couldn't get higher profile games for Millwall. There is an expectation that Bristol City fans will attempt to take up seats in Millwall areas of the ground and this type of rumour ups the ante and possibly, attracts the attention of those who might be inclined to be there for an 'off' rather than to watch the game.

As for making it overly-hostile, yes, that will be the case and it would be the case for any opposition team in such a situation. We make it as overly-hostile as possible and always have done, to put the players off as much as anything else. This is though different to attacking opposition fans. The last two 'high profile' games where there were the beginnings of trouble in the ground, were against West Ham and Liverpool. In both cases, their fans were the main aggressors, from the lower tier, which your fans will not be allowed to occupy, unless of course there are so many in other parts of the ground that it has to be opened up for the sake of safety.

In my 30 years watching Millwall, I can recall just one incident where an innocent opposition fan was set upon outside the ground. There may of course have been other cases, but I haven't seen them. Generally, those who get involved in violence are, shall we say, like-minded. Bristol fans who come to the match with tickets, do not act aggessively, sit in the right areas and generally behave themselves will be fine. Those who don't, may not. It's not a threat, it's just common-sense.

As for coming on to the pitch, I'd like to think this would be allowed were Bristol to be promoted. It's only right that they should be able to celebrate. It is though very often the case that after the initial mobbing of the team, the fans then congregate and move, en masse, to the home supporters end (and sides) of the ground. Again, common sense would suggest that this shouldn't be done, especially at our place.

I hope all Bristol fans have a safe and enjoyable day. It's just a shame you couldn't have been given the whole end as this would have reduced the possibility of trouble in other areas of, and outside, the ground.

You'll not win anyway, so you'll probably have your promotion party at the Gate. Don't miss us too much next season, eh!

[exiledinwatford]

Came on here tonight to see how the Bristol fans are warming up for tomorrow. Your use of speechmarks ("advice") implies that you treat that advice more as a threat.

Millwall have a significant minority who do of course revel in, and like to live up to, their reputation. No Millwall fan would deny this. There are also a minority of Bristol City fans who themselves are not shrinking violets (I remember meeting a nice couple of thousand of them at Dulwich Hamlet many years ago, when you lot were playing Corinthian Casuals in an early round of the FA Cup).

Were we playing Wycombe Wanderers tomorrow, there would in all probability not be one arrest. There were a handful of arrests at the FA Cup semi final and final, a number of whom were Sunderland and Man Utd fans. You couldn't get higher profile games for Millwall. There is an expectation that Bristol City fans will attempt to take up seats in Millwall areas of the ground and this type of rumour ups the ante and possibly, attracts the attention of those who might be inclined to be there for an 'off' rather than to watch the game.

As for making it overly-hostile, yes, that will be the case and it would be the case for any opposition team in such a situation. We make it as overly-hostile as possible and always have done, to put the players off as much as anything else. This is though different to attacking opposition fans. The last two 'high profile' games where there were the beginnings of trouble in the ground, were against West Ham and Liverpool. In both cases, their fans were the main aggressors, from the lower tier, which your fans will not be allowed to occupy, unless of course there are so many in other parts of the ground that it has to be opened up for the sake of safety.

In my 30 years watching Millwall, I can recall just one incident where an innocent opposition fan was set upon outside the ground. There may of course have been other cases, but I haven't seen them. Generally, those who get involved in violence are, shall we say, like-minded. Bristol fans who come to the match with tickets, do not act aggessively, sit in the right areas and generally behave themselves will be fine. Those who don't, may not. It's not a threat, it's just common-sense.

As for coming on to the pitch, I'd like to think this would be allowed were Bristol to be promoted. It's only right that they should be able to celebrate. It is though very often the case that after the initial mobbing of the team, the fans then congregate and move, en masse, to the home supporters end (and sides) of the ground. Again, common sense would suggest that this shouldn't be done, especially at our place.

I hope all Bristol fans have a safe and enjoyable day. It's just a shame you couldn't have been given the whole end as this would have reduced the possibility of trouble in other areas of, and outside, the ground.

You'll not win anyway, so you'll probably have your promotion party at the Gate. Don't miss us too much next season, eh!

Couldn't agree more mate. At Oldham this year we had a bunch of our "fans" spending the whole game goading the Oldham fans - not sure if they even knew (or cared about) the score. They'll be the ones closest to your lot giving it the come on! I wish we didn't have them but the huge majority will just sing and resort to the odd we hate hate cockney stuff.

Hopefully our lads will do what's needed and will be back on the pitch about 5pm when your fans will be on the way home.

As for our fans who travel without tickets I hope they find some sense and stay in Paddington.

Good luck Coldblowlane.

[Bristol Boy]

People have to get their buzz somewhere. Some get it through drink, some get it through drugs, some get it through violence. It's very rare that innocent people get caught up in any trouble that occurs, certainly in the modern day anyway.

As I said here during the week - if you were to come down and didn't want trouble you would not encounter any trouble. I love the fact we're hated and feared but I don't like it when so much rubbish is written about us. "They hit scarfers", "Theay eat children" it's all a load of rubbish. If you come down Saturday, drink away from the ground and don't do anything stupid you will be FINE.

That may be the old school way but seeing a Pompey Fan have the sh1t kicked out of him on TV when he was on his own made me sick to the stomach and I'm no naive schoolboy......far from it.

In the old days, ANYONE was fair game on your manor and plenty of scarfers got hit before anyone even knew they were a scarfer because everyone wore colours as opposed to the casual/designer gear worn these days.

I am convinced BOTH sides will have all the old faces out (although some never go due to.......well, being dead or gereatric is one good reason) and the Police, who in fairness to them, pretty much know what they're doing at Football these days (Remember when Ipswich were "escorted" into the Millwall section at The Old Den?? )

I reckon there will be trouble away from the ground..........I don't know, it's just a feeling I have and that the game will be vociferous.In terms of the result, I reckon we'll do enough to clinch auto promotion and match or better Forest & Blackpools results.

Logistics won't be easy and moving around 1,000 City Supporters from West to South London and back again isn't something I'd want to take on and I know the Tube pretty well.

[WTFiGO!?!]

There is no such thing as a non game if we hear whispers of away support planning to take what we see as 'liberties' e.g. invading our pitch or sitting in amongst the home supporters, it's seen as a lack of respect and there will be some on the lookout for supporters being 'too quiet' a dead giveaway that away supporters have tried to sneak in amongst the home fans. As for no history between the two clubs i first visited Ashton Gate in the very early 70's for an opening day of the season fixture it was carnage even then.

You have to understand that we know we are never going to challenge for the Champions League, to reach the Premiership and spend a few seasons there is probably as good as its ever going to get for us, we can dream but most of us know deep down that we are a small club but what we do have is a reputation and thats something that some of our fans will literally lay their lives on the line to hang on to. I know it sounds stupid but i've seen it with my own eyes in places like Budapest when we played in the Uefa Cup a couple of seasons back when we were warned not to get off at a certain station because Ferencvaros fans would be lying in wait for us our fans packed the train got off and kicked the shit out everyone that was there, i saw it at Maine Rd in our last ever visit there when i bumped into men now their 60's who i hadn't seen for years who'd come out of the woodwork and not for the football, the lead item on the news radio on the trip home was about there being "no spare police cells in Greater Manchester that night", i've seen Millwall fans march straight into the 'Shed' at Chelsea and literally kick them out of their own end, theres nothing they wouldn't do to keep/enhance there name at the top of the tree. We even had a pre-season tour of Germany cancelled a couple of years back becuase the German authorities didn't want us over there attracting many local fascists to what were meant to be low key games.

I am not condoning the fact that our fans take pride in such things but some see it as all we've got. If you're Millwall you are always going to have your backs to the Wall because you're treated like 'shit' by the media, the League, the F.A. the police, in fact all and sundry so some of our fans see it as their duty to act accordingly, in that respect you have to be a 'fighter' to follow the club it's far easier to follow someone like Crystal Pal, Charlton or Arsenal if you're from 'round here believe me. Millwalls average crowd ths season is probably around 9000 which makes us small fry in the great scheme of things yet everybody knows us, and our fans know it's not for our footballing achievements. If you're coming on Saturday have a good day, be sensible and stay safe, personally i don't care if you get promoted or not as long as you don't do it at our expense, 2 - 1 to us i reckon.

This is not a boast, this is not meant to antagonise or prompt reaction

MILLWALL the most famous small club in world!

''No one like's you - I don't care''

You're not even a small Club FFS, that's just greater cockney self indulgence/arrogance rubbing off on you.

Bristol City F.C's my only concern.

If the primary egoism you (collectively) take is through behaving like a bunch of ****'s then all pity you. I realise we have our element too, I know a little of it personally and I enjoy the buzz of the atmosphere generated by it I must admit but to take greatest pride in the fact that the majorety of your supporters are from one of the most densly populated, deprived urban area's in the Country and major form of expression of this poverty is through hooliganism Football then.... pft, what can I say?... you indulge in insult.

See you tomorrow.