Muddy Funster Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I read with interest the thread referring to the supporters trust, and noticed its removal. Not knowing the whole story behind this, i was wondering whether we are witnessing a form of censorship on OTIB? If this is so, it will be a downward spiral into what can only be described as a dictatorship ran by Supporters trust sympathising Mods, I hope this is not going to be the case. I believe it is vital to the fans that there is an open forum in which we can say exercise our rights to free speech.I would like to draw attention to something posted by Milo before the Trust took over the running of OTIB from the club:http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=...mp;#entry132739in particular the following statement:"I believe we have this forum affiliated to the official site because it allows the club to apply 'news management'. The club have some control if its under their wing and there are different ways in which we can be manipulated." Anger at 'news management'Just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 The thread wasnt pulled at the request of the Supporters Trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Without trying to cause an argument, can I ask why?At the end of the day I'm not for or against the ST so I'm not really bothered, just interested to see the reasoning behind it's removal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=82504thats all I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topsham Red Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=82504thats all I know.And yet there still hasn't been an answer as to why the thread was pulled? and then subsequent threads pulled when people have only been trying to put there point of view across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 That other bloke (oji?) asked Clik for the thread to be pulled to save his 'reputation'This was in a thread earlier on which was deleted quickly. I expect this will be aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Clik may be busy and havent had a chance to do so yet.Give them chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 It was a good idea to pull it. It was a conversation that should have been had down the pub rather than on record and an agreement reached. People seemed to be unfairly trying to catch others out by recounting the detail of previously private conversations.There's nothing wrong with the ST having a private document; it needs less review and discussion than a public one. They are volunteers not civil servants and there's no conspiracy going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Orj Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I did try earlier today to post a summary of what happened to the original thread and why it was pulled but the explanation itself was soon pulled - without any reason being given, publicly or privately.I daren't try again to explain why it was pulled for fear of getting this thread pulled too.I would be grateful if somebody would let me know why my thread from earlier today was pulled, however.Note to mods: If for some reason you feel the need to remove this post, please don't feel the need remove this entire thread - it seems silly to me for others to have their posts removed as a side effect of my posts being somehow contentious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Do you know what. I no longer care about this forum.Someone else can be an admin. After 5 years I've just about reached the limit where I can take no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I think a lot of people are feeling the same as Tom, maybe this forum is getting to the end of the road. Too much bickering etc, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 don't go Tom.This forum has been well run considering its large membership.You cant control the actions of others, or the petty politics.If you stop with the control of this place it'd be game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fleuriot Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Do you know what. I no longer care about this forum.Someone else can be an admin. After 5 years I've just about reached the limit where I can take no more.I know I rarely post on here and to be honest I've got no clue what this thread's about, but I'd like to say that I think you do a sterling job there Tom in the face of some fairly childish posting. get yourself a mojito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Just want to add that it seems that we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. I can fully appreciate how Tom feels and wouldn't blame him at all if he walked away, and then surely that's the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 He has gone.Some people should really look at themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Its a internet forum, about a football club, which we all support.Computers do funny things to people.I hope some people are happy now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted June 28, 2007 Admin Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I don't think anyone will mind me stating that I understand the original thread has been removed from public sight whilst the Clik "higher ups" investigate claims of potentially libellous material being made that could hurt the reputation of one or more of this forum's membership.Depending on the outcome of this investigation, the thread will/will not be reinstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 What does clik (in relation to the forum etc) do? Out of intrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muddy Funster Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I think if an announcement had been made about the removal of this thread, ie potential libellous material, there would of been no questioning about the threads removal. There was to much secrecy about it, that was the main issue, nothing more, nothing less. i regret to see the admin leave, and honestly hope he reconciders his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC&T Board Members Blagdon red Posted June 28, 2007 SC&T Board Members Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 What does clik (in relation to the forum etc) do? Out of intrest.Clik do this: Clik websiteThey're based at the Tobacco Factory in Bedminster. As I understand it, they host a few football fan forums as a bit of a sideline, mainly 'cos several of the key people there are footy - City - fans. Tom F being the guy who is most hands-on day to day.They are paid a fee for hosting and supervising the forum, in the case of OTIB previously by the club and, since they decided not to do so any more, by the ST. I don't believe it's a huge amount and wouldn't be missed by Clik if overseeing the forum became more hassle than it was worth.So if you feel you've been making life difficult for the likes of Tom recently, give them a break! It would be a shame to see Clik and/or the ST decide it was all just too much like a pain in the behind and pull the plug.It's a forum ... there's supposed to be a bit of banter ... but within limits!Speech over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Clik do this: Clik websiteThey're based at the Tobacco Factory in Bedminster. As I understand, they host a few football fan forums as a bit of a sideline, mainly 'cos several of the key people there are footy - City - fans. Tom F being the guy who is most hands-on day to day.They are paid a fee for hosting and supervising the forum, in the case of OTIB previously by the club and, since they decided not to do so any more, by the ST. I don't believe it's a huge amount and wouldn't be missed by Clik if overseeing the forum became more hassle than it was worth.So if you feel you've been making life difficult for the likes of Tom recently, give them a break! It would be a shame to see Clik and/or the ST decide it was all just too much like a pain in the behind and pull the plug.It's a forum ... there's supposed to be a bit of banter ... but within limits!Speech over.Every forum attracts a minority of unbalanced pedants who will moan about anything and drag everybody down to their petty level. Don't try and be fair to them, don't try and please everybody, JUST BAN THEM.Not me you understand, perfectly balanced pedant, honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_red Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I feel sorry for the st, taking over this forum, although very good of them, will also lead to critsism on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I'm sorry to hear this, Tom.##### politics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_red Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Do you know what. I no longer care about this forum.Someone else can be an admin. After 5 years I've just about reached the limit where I can take no more. don't worry tom you got realise you can never please everybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I enjoy using otib, it's a great source of info on BCFC, it passes the time at work and sometimes the debate can be interesting. I think most people who use it do as well. The mods here, most of whom aren't in the ST or connected with it, do a demanding and largely thankless task. That's the same on most if not all forums as people like ciderhead and chesire_red will know. Users really should think twice before making the mods' job harder for no good reason. TomF is a bloke who puts far more hours into not just moderating but also administrating and maintaining otib. Far more hours than Clik get paid for or he gets paid for. He does so at silly o'clock in his own time often enough and he has been essential to running this site for so long, as well as helping some of the people who run other sites. Without his support this forum and some of the others might very well not be here, and Clik (which I believe is owned/run by Scott Davidson?) certainly don't run otib at anything like a profit. The forum we use every day exists solely on the goodwill of others who give their time freely. Why piss them off unnecessarily?And frankly... what the bloody hell are people doing whinging about libel and arguing about private mesages on a sodding anonymous internet forum anyway? It's unquestionably pathetic and childish.The basic question that this furore arose around is a simple and reasonable one that can be answered clearly. The people that can do so should do it without spin or secrecy, the people that asked the question should accept the answer like adults and then all sides should apologise for this b***ocks and move on.Tom, if you can be persuaded to change your mind then that would be great. If not then my thanks to you and the mods for your hard work over many years. It's appreciated even if it may not seem like it sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 I enjoy using otib, it's a great source of info on BCFC, it passes the time at work and sometimes the debate can be interesting. I think most people who use it do as well. The mods here, most of whom aren't in the ST or connected with it, do a demanding and largely thankless task. That's the same on most if not all forums as people like ciderhead and chesire_red will know. Users really should think twice before making the mods' job harder for no good reason. TomF is a bloke who puts far more hours into not just moderating but also administrating and maintaining otib. Far more hours than Clik get paid for or he gets paid for. He does so at silly o'clock in his own time often enough and he has been essential to running this site for so long, as well as helping some of the people who run other sites. Without his support this forum and some of the others might very well not be here, and Clik (which I believe is owned/run by Scott Davidson?) certainly don't run otib at anything like a profit. The forum we use every day exists solely on the goodwill of others who give their time freely. Why piss them off unnecessarily?And frankly... what the bloody hell are people doing whinging about libel and arguing about private mesages on a sodding anonymous internet forum anyway? It's unquestionably pathetic and childish.The basic question that this furore arose around is a simple and reasonable one that can be answered clearly. The people that can do so should do it without spin or secrecy, the people that asked the question should accept the answer like adults and then all sides should apologise for this b***ocks and move on.Tom, if you can be persuaded to change your mind then that would be great. If not then my thanks to you and the mods for your hard work over many years. It's appreciated even if it may not seem like it sometimes.Superb post, Nibor. There was no need for that discussion to be published on the forum.Hopefully Tom will reconsider after the summer is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednready Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Otib is without doubt one of the best club websites in the country. Without it we would have to use the Rivals and/or subbers sites, or perhaps a new site produced to fill the void. The numbers on line, give an indication of how popular the site is. Add to that the information available, usually days ahead of the newspapers or the main BCFC site. In todays world, legal issues raise their head at an ever increasing rate. That is the sad point, and it is a plain and simple fact that many unthinking or irrisponsible posters shoot from the hip with little thought of their words or possible legalities. In the past couple of years there have been posts about players and other players wives, and of course the Tinnion/Wilson saga. Peoples lives, marriages and careers are at stake so there have to be levels of responsibility. I for one would miss the Otib forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2007 Report Share Posted June 29, 2007 Superb post, Nibor. There was no need for that discussion to be published on the forum.Hopefully Tom will reconsider after the summer is over. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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