Arrested

[chalky]

I cannot believe anyone on here is suprised that someone has been arrested for swearing! This sort of thing has been going on for a while now and is absolutely disgraceful (not the swearing)! Football supporting in this country is turning into (has already turned into) a joke at best.

[Tunley Legend]

The best thing to do with the East End would be to knock it down and build a new one.

[scumbag]

the only thing I can say positive about the east end and having home fans in it is.........at least there is only 22 home league games to go!

today showed that certain morons can't be trusted in that stand and it is best left closed for home fans, fair enough to let any ST holders in, but the rest of them can Foxtrot Oscar

[KnowleUtd City]

the only thing I can say positive about the east end and having home fans in it is.........at least there is only 22 home league games to go!

today showed that certain morons can't be trusted in that stand and it is best left closed for home fans, fair enough to let any ST holders in, but the rest of them can Foxtrot Oscar

I guess you are one the these new post euro 96 'footy' supporters who wants going to the football to be comparable to going to the cinema or something, football is a working class game and the 'morons' as you call them actual have some passion for the old club unlike the prawn sandwich brigade. If you don't want any edge at the game then go and watch the rugby!

[BS10 RED]

They wern't arrested for just swearing - They were swearing at police.

Not sure where you were stood but the bloke who got arrested in front of me he was swearing at a player on the pitch not the police, my mate also said you fat bar steward to the qpr keeper and he was given a final warning

[SimplyRed]

Why is it that swearing is condoned because 'football is working-class game'? It's reverse snobbery. We should be allowed to do it because we're working class? What a load of tripe!

I'm working class, born and bred in Hartcliffe, and proud of it. Yet, I find the swearing at football games repulsive and unnecessary.

Yes, everybody swears - I do too - but not at the top of their voices in front of women and children, using words and phrases that can only be described as obscene.

I'm not against singing and banter at football grounds, but it doesn't have to include the repulsive language that seems to proliferate all football chants these days. I don't care what ayone says, it wasn't like that at Ashton Gate in the 50's and 60's when I was a youngster.

But it's become the norm, I suppose, and is an indicator of the depths that society, as a whole, has sunk.

I hear even young teenage girls and women in the street swearing like dockers and I cringe. Do they think it makes them attractive to men/boys? Do they think it makes them 'working class'? Do they think it makes them 'hard'. If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

I was brought up to believe that swearing was acceptable only out of earshot of females and children, and I still believe it.

[kiwicolin]

for all the people who campained for the east end to re-open

it is up to you to keep it open. we know it is only a few idiots

that will spoil it for the true city fans that wanted to be there.

IT IS YOUR EAST END. NOW KEEP IT.

[cider head]

for all the people who campained for the east end to re-open

it is up to you to keep it open. we know it is only a few idiots

that will spoil it for the true city fans that wanted to be there.

IT IS YOUR EAST END. NOW KEEP IT.

fair shout, And the police look as though they are going to deal with those

who step out of line.

[scumbag]

I guess you are one the these new post euro 96 'footy' supporters who wants going to the football to be comparable to going to the cinema or something, football is a working class game and the 'morons' as you call them actual have some passion for the old club unlike the prawn sandwich brigade. If you don't want any edge at the game then go and watch the rugby!

No, been a regular since the 70's, certain fans know how to behave themselves, others act like morons and thugs, no I don't want an "edge" at the game, I can only suggest your possible one of these burbery wearing idiots.

[Andy Horsman]

Thought the entire policing was a bit OTT. Got to AG at 11 to pick up Blackpool tickets and a mate's s/t an there seemed to be hundreds of OB everywhere. It was not Stoke/C*rdiff/Wolves, but QPR ffs.I am of the view that excessive policing in itself contributes to an atmosphere in which those who may be stupid enough to kick off in a stadium, might want to show off to their mates.

Spoke to some lads who were in the EE, after the match and they said that the policing was excessive in terms of their general intolerence.That must also explain the 36% hike in S/T prices if we are going to experience saturation policing this season!!

If supporters are going to be evicted/arrested/banned etc for swearing, then we are going to haemorrage support.

Perhaps the club should be more pro-active, with the ST/SC in engaging with the OB to calm this down, because it is way out of order imo.

[CIDER PANTS OF TWERTON]

I really enjpyed my day in the East End and will be back for many more. Saw a bit of childish posturing but nothing to worry about and certainly no trouble or blokes wanting to get at Bradley

Good atmosphere again in there and there are really going to be great days ahead.

[CIDER PANTS OF TWERTON]

No, been a regular since the 70's, certain fans know how to behave themselves, others act like morons and thugs, no I don't want an "edge" at the game, I can only suggest your possible one of these burbery wearing idiots.

We could just go back to having the library like ground again. Our support at times last season was pathetic and now its not.

Football should have a bit of edge to it as it is not the theatre.

Thought yesterday was so much better than countless previous because the East End was open.

[RedTop]

Why is it that swearing is condoned because 'football is working-class game'? It's reverse snobbery. We should be allowed to do it because we're working class? What a load of tripe!

I'm working class, born and bred in Hartcliffe, and proud of it. Yet, I find the swearing at football games repulsive and unnecessary.

Yes, everybody swears - I do too - but not at the top of their voices in front of women and children, using words and phrases that can only be described as obscene.

I'm not against singing and banter at football grounds, but it doesn't have to include the repulsive language that seems to proliferate all football chants these days. I don't care what ayone says, it wasn't like that at Ashton Gate in the 50's and 60's when I was a youngster.

But it's become the norm, I suppose, and is an indicator of the depths that society, as a whole, has sunk.

I hear even young teenage girls and women in the street swearing like dockers and I cringe. Do they think it makes them attractive to men/boys? Do they think it makes them 'working class'? Do they think it makes them 'hard'. If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

I was brought up to believe that swearing was acceptable only out of earshot of females and children, and I still believe it.

Sorry, SR, I agree with some of this but not the rest.

Football is not a 'working class game'. It should be a game for everyone of all classes, and if you look at the history of it you will find it has always been that way. It's just that whereas the vast majority in the old days were blue collar working class, society has now changed and there is a far bigger middle class. The make-up of football crowds just reflects this. However, in my experience, people of all classes swear just as much as each other and it's a fallacy, not to mention somewhat patronising, to associate swearing with the working classes.

However, I do not want swearing and 'terrace language' stamped out at football. There are plenty of places I can take my kids if I want them to experience anodyne, sanitized entertainment, like the cinema, the circus, a soft play centre. RedTopJnr loves football precisely because it is different from this. We all take our kids to a football ground knowing that they will experience raw emotion and bad language. But when I was a kid it did me no harm. I heard it and was quite capable of working out what was and was not acceptable outside of a football ground. I knew damned well I shouldn't repeat the words. But I'd have missed out on some treasured times if cops policed had the supporters to such an extent that they had to control their emotions in case they swear. It takes the authenticity out of the game if people are expected to check their emotions. I'm afraid I wouldn't expect any adult fans to temper their language just because I was near them with RedTopJnr. If I was that upset (which is unlikely), I'd see it as my responsibility to move away from him, not to expect him to tone it down. I accept by going into a mixed area of the ground that RedTopJnr's going to experience some bad language, but I do him the credit of understanding what is and is not acceptable. He's only three, but even now he occasionally berates me for a swear-word uttered in normal life, telling MrsRedTop: "Mummy, daddy said one of the words he says at football." He never repeats them himself because he has been told it is wrong. He knows the difference, and if I was worried about exposing him to that language I would have the option of not taking him, or the 'halfway house' of taking him into the family area.

I certainly DON'T think everything in life should be sanitized just to make it acceptable for squeamish mums and dads to take their kids there. Not everything in life should revolve around them.

In terms of the actual swearing, well I certainly hope fans are not being arrested for general swearing or swearing in chants. Swear at a cop, though, and you're giving them an excuse and asking for trouble. And as for the idiots rushing to taunt QPR fans (if they did - I was too busy celebrating to bother looking) then they are also asking for whatever comes their way.

[CIDER PANTS OF TWERTON]

Sorry, SR, I agree with some of this but not the rest.

Football is not a 'working class game'. It should be a game for everyone of all classes, and if you look at the history of it you will find it has always been that way. It's just that whereas the vast majority in the old days were blue collar working class, society has now changed and there is a far bigger middle class. The make-up of football crowds just reflects this. However, in my experience, people of all classes swear just as much as each other and it's a fallacy, not to mention somewhat patronising, to associate swearing with the working classes.

However, I do not want swearing and 'terrace language' stamped out at football. There are plenty of places I can take my kids if I want them to experience anodyne, sanitized entertainment, like the cinema, the circus, a soft play centre. RedTopJnr loves football precisely because it is different from this. We all take our kids to a football ground knowing that they will experience raw emotion and bad language. But when I was a kid it did me no harm. I heard it and was quite capable of working out what was and was not acceptable outside of a football ground. I knew damned well I shouldn't repeat the words. But I'd have missed out on some treasured times if cops policed had the supporters to such an extent that they had to control their emotions in case they swear. It takes the authenticity out of the game if people are expected to check their emotions. I'm afraid I wouldn't expect any adult fans to temper their language just because I was near them with RedTopJnr. If I was that upset (which is unlikely), I'd see it as my responsibility to move away from him, not to expect him to tone it down. I accept by going into a mixed area of the ground that RedTopJnr's going to experience some bad language, but I do him the credit of understanding what is and is not acceptable. He's only three, but even now he occasionally berates me for a swear-word uttered in normal life, telling MrsRedTop: "Mummy, daddy said one of the words he says at football." He never repeats them himself because he has been told it is wrong. He knows the difference, and if I was worried about exposing him to that language I would have the option of not taking him, or the 'halfway house' of taking him into the family area.

I certainly DON'T think everything in life should be sanitized just to make it acceptable for squeamish mums and dads to take their kids there. Not everything in life should revolve around them.

In terms of the actual swearing, well I certainly hope fans are not being arrested for general swearing or swearing in chants. Swear at a cop, though, and you're giving them an excuse and asking for trouble. And as for the idiots rushing to taunt QPR fans (if they did - I was too busy celebrating to bother looking) then they are also asking for whatever comes their way.

Football was and hopefully still will be a game for the working class. Our Club is an amalgamtion of clubs from working class areas. Clifton did not come into it.

It seems to me there are people out there who want the world to reflect their values by sanitising everything.

The chants with their naughty words are virtually pantomime thats all and normal people understand that.

[CIDER PANTS OF TWERTON]

Why is it that swearing is condoned because 'football is working-class game'? It's reverse snobbery. We should be allowed to do it because we're working class? What a load of tripe!

I'm working class, born and bred in Hartcliffe, and proud of it. Yet, I find the swearing at football games repulsive and unnecessary.

Yes, everybody swears - I do too - but not at the top of their voices in front of women and children, using words and phrases that can only be described as obscene.

I'm not against singing and banter at football grounds, but it doesn't have to include the repulsive language that seems to proliferate all football chants these days. I don't care what ayone says, it wasn't like that at Ashton Gate in the 50's and 60's when I was a youngster.

But it's become the norm, I suppose, and is an indicator of the depths that society, as a whole, has sunk.

I hear even young teenage girls and women in the street swearing like dockers and I cringe. Do they think it makes them attractive to men/boys? Do they think it makes them 'working class'? Do they think it makes them 'hard'. If it wasn't so sad, it would be laughable.

I was brought up to believe that swearing was acceptable only out of earshot of females and children, and I still believe it.

My old man is a chant from the seventies. Nothing new to it.

[Flaxbourton Red]

I really enjpyed my day in the East End and will be back for many more. Saw a bit of childish posturing but nothing to worry about and certainly no trouble or blokes wanting to get at Bradley

Good atmosphere again in there and there are really going to be great days ahead.

I agree, however, I saw one young thug with a blue and white hooped shirt with the word BLACKSTOCK on his back, savagely kicking another young Brazilian man blatantly in front of the police and stewards.

[cider head]

The EE is much better than it was the first time around for so called trouble,

you will get the odd few who want to spoil the party but thats why the police are

there and they will deal with it, arrested for swearing is ott if in chants but swearing

at a copper then your asking for a collar feel. The fact also the police were a bit

nervous was the fact qpr had around 40 lads intent on trouble who i seen escorted

away past the wedlocks.

How about the positives? Big flag is coming the undoubted improvement in atmosphere and the

proposal of a flag day as well as red & white nights all stemming from the EE.

The big flag is not quite ready yet but it will cover the netting.

[SUPER REDS]

Yes a good day again for me the Eastend,I did not know of anyone arrested,it is very hard in the atmosphere and old songs such as My old man sung for years not to say the the swear words,lets be honest Man Utd sing it but there to many of them to chuck out,if it does carry on then perhaps we shell just have to drop the swearing songs,dificult I know

[Gerry Gows' Tash]

Sorry, SR, I agree with some of this but not the rest.

Football is not a 'working class game'. It should be a game for everyone of all classes, and if you look at the history of it you will find it has always been that way. It's just that whereas the vast majority in the old days were blue collar working class, society has now changed and there is a far bigger middle class. The make-up of football crowds just reflects this. However, in my experience, people of all classes swear just as much as each other and it's a fallacy, not to mention somewhat patronising, to associate swearing with the working classes.

In terms of the actual swearing, well I certainly hope fans are not being arrested for general swearing or swearing in chants. Swear at a cop, though, and you're giving them an excuse and asking for trouble. And as for the idiots rushing to taunt QPR fans (if they did - I was too busy celebrating to bother looking) then they are also asking for whatever comes their way.

I disagree. Football is still a working class game. Yes there are more middle class people going, for example I know a hospital consultant who sits in the Dolman BUT they are the exception. Most people at football are on middleish income, Few are on the 60k plus salary that is entry level to the middle class these days. It's a myth that the middle class has got bigger, all that has happened is that things which were once the preserve of the middle class (home ownership, university education, white collar work etc) are now available to the working class.

Having said that, I agree that swearing is not exclusively a working class thing and that it should not be banned at football grounds. It's all part of the PC culture thats starting to engulf football. No smoking, no standing, no swearing, the game is unrecognisable from the one I started going to in the 1970s. And like most kids I learned all the swearwords I would ever need in the playground, not at the Gate

[East End Jase]

If people are complaining about the bad language of the songs they must be the ones that have just jumped on the promotion bandwagon, as anyone who has been supporting city for ant length of time before this season would have heard the songs and chants a hundred times before, and also known that the east end would be the hive of activity this season and to keep children away if they don't want them subject to swearing.

Jase

[solo1bc]

I certainly DON'T think everything in life should be sanitized just to make it acceptable for squeamish mums and dads to take their kids there. Not everything in life should revolve around them.

Excellent post RedTop.

Maybe the problem is that the family enclosure at AG is quite close to the rest of the ground (specifically Dolman A/B & the EE)... Let's hope they bring back a proper safe standing area (although it's doubtful I admit) so those who want to have fun can go in there and shout/swear to their hearts content!

[chalky]

The best thing to do with the East End would be to knock it down and build a new one.

No thanks, I quite like the EE as it is.

[Guest DanC]

Having said that, I agree that swearing is not exclusively a working class thing and that it should not be banned at football grounds. It's all part of the PC culture thats starting to engulf football. No smoking, no standing, no swearing, the game is unrecognisable from the one I started going to in the 1970s. And like most kids I learned all the swearwords I would ever need in the playground, not at the Gate

Well the funny thing is I was next to the Police all game and they let us stand all game long and not once did they ask us to sit.

From what I saw yesterday there wasn't many children in the EE.

[pdgifford64]

HHmm I have very mixed feelings about this one.. In one instance a bit unfair on the people swearing as i bet 15,000 others were using the same sort of language and nothing happend but on the other side swearing is a public order offence and the police are well within there rights..I'm guessing the Police probably saw these city fans swearing around kids and familys and fairly issued these people a warning, the fans chose to ignore the warning so were rightfully arrested..

All I would say is that families wih kids who got tickets for the eastend today should have known what the language was going to be like, maybee they should have sat in the Williams or block A of the ateo where the language is a bit lighter..

Pity there wasn`t a plod in the Atyeo E block then. Could have kicked out the fat, pissed bastard that was throwing abuse to all corners. Whether it`s done aggressively or with humour it`s out of order when there`s kids and women about. Call me what you like but i don`t swear every other word and some of the language he was coming out with would have made Bernard Manning blush.

PDG

[Riaz]

Why is it that swearing is condoned because 'football is working-class game'? It's reverse snobbery. We should be allowed to do it because we're working class? What a load of tripe!

I'm working class, born and bred in Hartcliffe, and proud of it. Yet, I find the swearing at football games repulsive and unnecessary.

Go and watch the rugby.... idiot

[cider head]

working class?? 95% of fans at ashton gate are all working class!

it's just some get paid more than others.

as for swaering if you think it's just a thing heard at football or on council estates

then think again as a fair few of your rich uni students know more swear words

than me, right place, right time, in right context, but i swear sometimes but i

wouldn't in front of my daughter or in ear shot of kids if i can help it :noexpression:

[Guest]

P.C. top ten hit list;

1, Standing

2, Swearing

3,Smoking

4, Loud shouting,

5, Loud applause,

6, Smiling,

7, Smelling of beer,

8,Wearing,jeans,trainers or t shirts,

9,Not folding arms while sat,

10,Pasties,pies

[giles_23_bcfc]

From what i saw about 10-15 minutes before the game, then the EE should be shut for 1 or 2 games and Relocate the season ticket holders (there isnt many!) to another stand after the idiots in there tried getting to the QPR fans,

People have campaigned to get the EE opened for the right reasons and people go and do this on the first day of it being back open.

[Guest DanC]

From what i saw about 10-15 minutes before the game, then the EE should be shut for 1 or 2 games and Relocate the season ticket holders (there isnt many!) to another stand after the idiots in there tried getting to the QPR fans,

People have campaigned to get the EE opened for the right reasons and people go and do this on the first day of it being back open.

Giles I like you right, But from what I saw the QPR fans' came at us mate. We didn't provoke it at all. T%hey were throwing everything at us. If someone attacks you in the street are you just going to stand there and let them? Of course you wouldn't. You wasn't there mate so don't try laying the blame on our fans.

If teh club want to relocate me then I would rather have a full refund.

[Barrs Court Red]

If the East End should be shut then so should the Williams for the same reasons given above.

Mountains out of molehills and all that. Given all the obvious Daily Mail readers on here, I'm suprised problems in the East End havn't yet been blamed on asylum seekers trying to undermine the moral fabric of our youth.