Trundles Free Kick

[Belfastcityfan]

Personally i think that Johnson, Mckindoe, Sproule, Wilson and particularly Mcallister have had poorer starts to the season than LT but they don't seem to be getting half the stick LT is getting, particularly the last 4 named, at the end of the day it is all about opinions and it is still a learning curve for most of our players who have never experienced football at such a high level, LT will get it right, the man is pure class and in my opinion a joy to watch

Has LT been a joy to watch since the scunny game? I disagree with the others having poorer starts, Sproule yes as he is been playing out of position. McCallister was voted one of the top defenders this season in the CCC in a recent poll and it was posted on here!

I thought Wilson was doing great as noone wants to see him dropped, Lee J gets good ratings each week in the Tabs, need I go on?

[WesM]

Personally i think that Johnson, Mckindoe, Sproule, Wilson and particularly Mcallister have had poorer starts to the season than LT but they don't seem to be getting half the stick LT is getting, particularly the last 4 named, at the end of the day it is all about opinions and it is still a learning curve for most of our players who have never experienced football at such a high level, LT will get it right, the man is pure class and in my opinion a joy to watch

I agree punnet, but those 5 didn't cost a million quid?

million pound buys come with million pound expectations.

[Nibor]

Thats a fair shout, but how long are we willing to give this? From what you have wrote it seems to me that the tactics are wrong as they don't suit Lee Trundle's style of play.

If we change are tactics to suit Lee, will that unbalance other parts of the team? Do we need a good target man in the side?

Well we're getting points so there's no immediate rush to change anything anyway. If we are playing two up then are there any real alternatives to Trundle? Byfield is obviously the on form striker but who else? Sproule has been even less effective than Trundle, Brooker is injured, Enoch is IMO poor, Jevons has not convinced either...

I think if we're going to play direct then yeah we need a decent target man, Trundle or Byfield playing off Brooker would be good to see when he's fit.

But actually this side isn't that suited to playing direct, we have two wingers now and we have pace and skill. We should just bring the ball forward on the floor more often.

It looks to me like we get a little too caught up in the idea of hitting fast on the break and rush it a bit, and the ball ends up coming back a lot so we lose possession. Just a bit more patience is needed IMO, and I think it will come as players settle down anyway.

[The Fat Controller]

well, it's pretty obvious from your constant sniping at Lee Trundle that you don't like the bloke whatever he does, so if he had scored you'd most likely had labelled it a fluke anyway.

Just don't get him started on a Sproule love-in.

[Belfastcityfan]

Well we're getting points so there's no immediate rush to change anything anyway. If we are playing two up then are there any real alternatives to Trundle? Byfield is obviously the on form striker but who else? Sproule has been even less effective than Trundle, Brooker is injured, Enoch is IMO poor, Jevons has not convinced either...

I think if we're going to play direct then yeah we need a decent target man, Trundle or Byfield playing off Brooker would be good to see when he's fit.

But actually this side isn't that suited to playing direct, we have two wingers now and we have pace and skill. We should just bring the ball forward on the floor more often.

It looks to me like we get a little too caught up in the idea of hitting fast on the break and rush it a bit, and the ball ends up coming back a lot so we lose possession. Just a bit more patience is needed IMO, and I think it will come as players settle down anyway.

Yeah, we arew getting points, but they are coming 1 at a time Carey has said we need to move away from this and end up becoming draw specialists.

Has Jevons been given a chance to impress? Will Brooker cut it at this level. We can't wait for Brooker to get fit to see the best from Byfield/trundle.

[barry_mack]

It must just prove that we havent got anything to moan about. Which we havent. My moaning was probably just out of frustration at the performance, mainly in the first half

Fair enough, it's all about perspective int it, just don't think it would do Trundle any favours to read this at the mo if his confidence has dipped a bit!

[giles_23_bcfc]

Fair enough, it's all about perspective int it, just don't think it would do Trundle any favours to read this at the mo if his confidence has dipped a bit!

I don't think them words fit well in the same sentance. Trundle seems the sort of player who doesnt let his confidence drop. Which can be a good thing

[Henry]

I think every player and actually every human being can have his/her confidence drop.

[Belfastcityfan]

Fair enough, it's all about perspective int it, just don't think it would do Trundle any favours to read this at the mo if his confidence has dipped a bit!

Lee Johnson's screwed then If he read whats wrote about him on here, you'd find him hanging from a tree in Ashton Park!

[punnett]

Has LT been a joy to watch since the scunny game? I disagree with the others having poorer starts, Sproule yes as he is been playing out of position. McCallister was voted one of the top defenders this season in the CCC in a recent poll and it was posted on here!

I thought Wilson was doing great as noone wants to see him dropped, Lee J gets good ratings each week in the Tabs, need I go on?

Do you honestly believe that Mcallister is one of the better defenders in this league? i wouldn't take much notice of polls if i were you, as i said it is all about opinions, i'm not slagging any of these players off just that LT has been no more disappointing than the ones i've mentioned in my opinion, he's had a major inpact in at least 3 of our games so far and as far as i am concerned nothing is broke yet so there is no need to fix anything, we're flying near the top and the only unbeaten team in the league for gods sake

[Belfastcityfan]

Do you honestly believe that Mcallister is one of the better defenders in this league? i wouldn't take much notice of polls if i were you, as i said it is all about opinions, i'm not slagging any of these players off just that LT has been no more disappointing than the ones i've mentioned in my opinion, he's had a major inpact in at least 3 of our games so far and as far as i am concerned nothing is broke yet so there is no need to fix anything, we're flying near the top and the only unbeaten team in the league for gods sake

I didn't say he was, but it was good enough to posted on here. I have pasted in the link, it is on page 2 or 3 of the forum.

..have a look at this..

http://www.pa-sport.com/en/actim/actim-ind...ampionship.html

These stats come from somewhere, there are just not made up are they? Our attack is not firing on all cylinders, and if it was wasn't for some heriocs from Basso on Sat we wouldn't be still unbeaten. Why wait until it is broke, keep improving, we have not moved up a gear yet and the players have already admitted that.

[WhistleHappy]

talking of free-kicks!

Most of us will remember (or have heard about) the famous, later to be banned, 'genious' free-kick Willie Carr/Ernie Hunt teamed up for in 1970 when scoring for Coventry against Everton - luckily it was a BBC 'MOTD' game & the clip is still available, soz not sure how to post 'links' - (just search 'Coventry Free Kick 1970' on Youtube)

Ernie went on to finish his playing days as a Bristol City player.

(seem to remember us, Bristol City, trying the same 'donkey-kick' method with a free-kick at AG towards the East End goal before it was banned, but cant remember who we were playing, who took it - or even if we scored from it, -hope one of you lot can remember the details - my memories not what it should be, shocking!!)

Point being - its good to see someone trying something different/unexpected now & again - fantastic when it comes off but, successful or not, those rare moments always provide the fans with a talking point & its moments like that which make football what it is!... it'd be a boring old game if everyone always 'played it safe' and flair players were afraid to 'go for it' now & again.

[Big Red Rich]

I really think we need to give LT a good 10-15 games to really get going. He will need to adjust his game to play at a higher level and will no doubt be improving with every game.

Give him time and I'm sure he will get a good 15+ goals this season which I think will be a decent return.

[punnett]

I didn't say he was, but it was good enough to posted on here. I have pasted in the link, it is on page 2 or 3 of the forum.

..have a look at this..

http://www.pa-sport.com/en/actim/actim-ind...ampionship.html

These stats come from somewhere, there are just not made up are they? Our attack is not firing on all cylinders, and if it was wasn't for some heriocs from Basso on Sat we wouldn't be still unbeaten. Why wait until it is broke, keep improving, we have not moved up a gear yet and the players have already admitted that.

And Trundle will move up a gear, tell me what is your alternative to LT, please don't say Jevons, i might be tempted to play LT and Byfield up front and put Sproule where he should be, on the wing, as i said i don't take any notice of polls, i judge things with my own eyes, my worry about Mcallister before the season started was his severe lack of pace which was proven on the 1st day of the season when Ainsworth gave him such a roasting that Johnson had to drag him off! at the moment though i don't know if there is any alternative to mcallister and to be fair to him he is a great reader of the game which gets him out of jail some times,

[tompo]

talking of free-kicks!

Most of us will remember (or have heard about) the famous, later to be banned, 'genious' free-kick Willie Carr/Ernie Hunt teamed up for in 1970 when scoring for Coventry against Everton - luckily it was a BBC 'MOTD' game & the clip is still available, soz not sure how to post 'links' - (just search 'Coventry Free Kick 1970' on Youtube)

Ernie went on to finish his playing days as a Bristol City player.

(seem to remember us, Bristol City, trying the same 'donkey-kick' method with a free-kick at AG towards the East End goal before it was banned, but cant remember who we were playing, who took it - or even if we scored from it, -hope one of you lot can remember the details - my memories not what it should be, shocking!!)

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Got a feeling Ernie Hunt was involved in the free kick you are talking about.

It involved one player standing over the ball, legs apart. A second player was stood behind the first and he flicked the ball up in to the air for the first player to volley.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up over one free kick which went wrong. Beckham seems to have a place in the England side based on his ability with set pieces but his corners and free kicks are not that special any more. For every free kick that Roberto Carlos scored he hit ten straight at the wall. Some fans never seem to be happy unless they have a scapegoat.

[Redtucks]

talking of free-kicks!

Most of us will remember (or have heard about) the famous, later to be banned, 'genious' free-kick Willie Carr/Ernie Hunt teamed up for in 1970 when scoring for Coventry against Everton - luckily it was a BBC 'MOTD' game & the clip is still available, soz not sure how to post 'links' - (just search 'Coventry Free Kick 1970' on Youtube)

Ernie went on to finish his playing days as a Bristol City player.

(seem to remember us, Bristol City, trying the same 'donkey-kick' method with a free-kick at AG towards the East End goal before it was banned, but cant remember who we were playing, who took it - or even if we scored from it, -hope one of you lot can remember the details - my memories not what it should be, shocking!!)

Point being - its good to see someone trying something different/unexpected now & again - fantastic when it comes off but, successful or not, those rare moments always provide the fans with a talking point & its moments like that which make football what it is!... it'd be a boring old game if everyone always 'played it safe' and flair players were afraid to 'go for it' now & again.

I thought of that free kick earlier on. I was going to mention it in the thread, but then I thought most of those arguing are probably too young to have a clue what I would be on about!

As Giles would have said, "What a stupid free kick!"

[Belfastcityfan]

I really think we need to give LT a good 10-15 games to really get going. He will need to adjust his game to play at a higher level and will no doubt be improving with every game.

Give him time and I'm sure he will get a good 15+ goals this season which I think will be a decent return.

10-15 games is pretty generous isn't though.....not many players about would get the luxury of not getting dropped if they are not scoring or creating :noexpression:

[Belfastcityfan]

And Trundle will move up a gear, tell me what is your alternative to LT, please don't say Jevons, i might be tempted to play LT and Byfield up front and put Sproule where he should be, on the wing, as i said i don't take any notice of polls, i judge things with my own eyes, my worry about Mcallister before the season started was his severe lack of pace which was proven on the 1st day of the season when Ainsworth gave him such a roasting that Johnson had to drag him off! at the moment though i don't know if there is any alternative to mcallister and to be fair to him he is a great reader of the game which gets him out of jail some times,

Jevons

[punnett]

Jevons

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

[punnett]

Got a feeling Ernie Hunt was involved in the free kick you are talking about.

It involved one player standing over the ball, legs apart. A second player was stood behind the first and he flicked the ball up in to the air for the first player to volley.

Not sure why people are getting so worked up over one free kick which went wrong. Beckham seems to have a place in the England side based on his ability with set pieces but his corners and free kicks are not that special any more. For every free kick that Roberto Carlos scored he hit ten straight at the wall. Some fans never seem to be happy unless they have a scapegoat.

Spot on, Willie Carr had the ball between his legs facing the goal and he flicked it up for Ernie Hunt to volley into the top corner, on another note, who can remember those light blue 3 wheel cars that were always around the perimeter of the pitch at highfield road? bizarre

[Haster]

Ronaldino he ain't

whats it with u always slaggin off Trundle i so hope he makes u eat your words tomorrow night try getting behind players maybe u should change ya name to GARY JOHNSON cos u seem to know it all bet u never played a game of football

[The Fat Controller]

talking of free-kicks!

Most of us will remember (or have heard about) the famous, later to be banned, 'genious' free-kick Willie Carr/Ernie Hunt teamed up for in 1970 when scoring for Coventry against Everton - luckily it was a BBC 'MOTD' game & the clip is still available, soz not sure how to post 'links' - (just search 'Coventry Free Kick 1970' on Youtube)

Ernie went on to finish his playing days as a Bristol City player.

(seem to remember us, Bristol City, trying the same 'donkey-kick' method with a free-kick at AG towards the East End goal before it was banned, but cant remember who we were playing, who took it - or even if we scored from it, -hope one of you lot can remember the details - my memories not what it should be, shocking!!)

Point being - its good to see someone trying something different/unexpected now & again - fantastic when it comes off but, successful or not, those rare moments always provide the fans with a talking point & its moments like that which make football what it is!... it'd be a boring old game if everyone always 'played it safe' and flair players were afraid to 'go for it' now & again.

[Belfastcityfan]

whats it with u always slaggin off Trundle i so hope he makes u eat your words tomorrow night try getting behind players maybe u should change ya name to GARY JOHNSON cos u seem to know it all bet u never played a game of football

I am not slagging him off, I am just saying he is finding it hard to adjust to this level and that if he doesn't improve soon he will need to be dropped.

I hope he scores too, but it has to be regular. A goal tomorrow night, then another period of going missing in games, not creating chances is not good enough at this level.

I am happy with my name thank you, I don't know it all, merely expressing my opinions on Lee's season so far. Some will agree, some won't and some will stalk my postings

I played and did very well thank you

[WhistleHappy]

Spot on, Willie Carr had the ball between his legs facing the goal and he flicked it up for Ernie Hunt to volley into the top corner, on another note, who can remember those light blue 3 wheel cars that were always around the perimeter of the pitch at highfield road? bizarre

...like I said its still on youtube, classic moment, worth another look - 'Coventry free kick 1970'

(I too think Ernie Hunt may have been involved in 'our' version of it ...how long after his famous Coventry goal was it before he transferred from them to BCFC?.... anyone remember if 'our' attempt resulted in a goal? ... & if Ernie was part of it anyone know the other City player involved?)

We also had a few pitchside light blue 3 wheel 'invalid carriages' regularly parked at AG back in the Sixties/Seventies, used to be sited near the corner between the old open end(Atyeo) & the Dolman. (I remember 'em well..think they can be seen on a few old Ashton Gate pics/videos I've seen posted on Otib) - the occupants used to get a bit of a cheer from the crowd whenever the ball sometimes hit one of their 'cars'..

[punnett]

...like I said its still on youtube, classic moment, worth another look - 'Coventry free kick 1970'

(I too think Ernie Hunt may have been involved in 'our' version of it ...how long after his famous Coventry goal was it before he transferred from them to BCFC?.... anyone remember if 'our' attempt resulted in a goal? ... & if Ernie was part of it anyone know the other City player involved?)

We also had a few pitchside light blue 3 wheel 'invalid carriages' regularly parked at AG back in the Sixties/Seventies, used to be sited near the corner between the old open end(Atyeo) & the Dolman. (I remember 'em well..think they can be seen on a few old Ashton Gate pics/videos I've seen posted on Otib) - the occupants used to get a bit of a cheer from the crowd whenever the ball sometimes hit one of their 'cars'..

Yes but there were loads of those cars at cov' and i cant recall them being at hardly any other grounds, i cant even remember them at AG, i remember "showcars" used to go round the outside of the pitch before the game and at h/t

[Ian M]

I thought of that free kick earlier on. I was going to mention it in the thread, but then I thought most of those arguing are probably too young to have a clue what I would be on about!

As Giles would have said, "What a stupid free kick!"

Beadle flicked it up for Tinnion to volley in against Cambridge on New Year's Day in 2001 following a handball outside the box by flamboyant keeper Lionel Perez (who was also red-carded for the offence).

[no1cityfan_tucks]

All gone quiet now Toadie. Ran out of posts today?

[The Fat Controller]

Beadle flicked it up for Tinnion to volley in against Cambridge on New Year's Day in 2001 following a handball outside the box by flamboyant keeper Lionel Perez (who was also red-carded for the offence).

And what a goal it was.

[elhombrecito]

Because he hasnt had many chances to take a free kick from his range. Saturday was the ideal time. All around me were saying "this is perfect range for LT to make the keeper work"

And who's to say that if he'd gone over the wall that he'd have made the keeper work? He tried something. It failed. Get over it.

[Seend Red]

During his match commentary, Kevin Betsy says that he's seen Trundle score 6 out of 6 free kicks in training, and he was expecting him to hit the target.

It didn't work out, but I wouldn't write him off as a free-kick taker just yet.

Betsy also said he's been firing them into the top corners! It would seem LT tried something flash rahter than sticking to what he been practicing in training. Rather strange really for a player who's struggling, you'ed of thought he would of stuck to basics.

Maybe he trying to hard to do the sublime?