Dan Of The Dolman Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Was having a glance through the Avon And Somerset Police football section when I came across this about the match on TuesdayJust prior to the start of this match an incident occurred in the Williams Stand when an elderly City supporter was assaulted by another City fan who punched him in the face several times. This male was detained by stewards and subsequently arrested by officers who had been called into the stadium. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour and I hope he gets a lengthy ban as this is so out of order, hope the elderly man is ok and that it won't stop him coming to the Gate again because of a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Was having a glance through the Avon And Somerset Police football section when I came across this about the match on TuesdayJust prior to the start of this match an incident occurred in the Williams Stand when an elderly City supporter was assaulted by another City fan who punched him in the face several times. This male was detained by stewards and subsequently arrested by officers who had been called into the stadium. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour and I hope he gets a lengthy ban as this is so out of order, hope the elderly man is ok and that it won't stop him coming to the Gate again because of a moron.I hope he gets a damn lot more than a lengthy football ban.Lock him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Of The Dolman Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Hopefully he will be that is the lowest of the low near enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Terrible yes but...We're picturing an elderly man who can barely stand without a walking stick, and an alcohol fuelled skinhead thug looking for trouble.You don't know the circumstances, could be any scenario in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 I saw a man being taken out with a head injury, but I just assumed that he had fallne over. That is awful, it takes pure scum to do something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Of The Dolman Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 suppose I see the point your making could of been other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Terrible yes but...We're picturing an elderly man who can barely stand without a walking stick, and an alcohol fuelled skinhead thug looking for trouble.You don't know the circumstances, could be any scenario in the world. :noexpression: Holy crap Dez, I tend to agree with you.No excuse for violence, but we don't know the circumstances is all I would say. Maybe the elderly man had done something very bad, and other bloke finally caught up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 :noexpression: Holy crap Dez, I tend to agree with you.No excuse for violence, but we don't know the circumstances is all I would say. Maybe the elderly man had done something very bad, and other bloke finally caught up to him.Well yeh..If me or anyone in the Dolman and an 'elderly' man, what 50, does something bad enough to warrant a punch I would think nothing of it.Certainly wouldnt want to be judged by someone with zero facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 I don't really think that can be excused.No? And if the elderly man had touched the attacker's little girl?Dez is right IMO, if you don't know the circumstances it's not really right to comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossjonesuk Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 On that point....Few stewards started to mass by us in Dolman tuesday night around the 75th minute; were talking about "away fans in the home end". 5 or 6 stewards closed in on few seat behind us and we all turned round, expecting a couple of Cockney nut jobs, and saw them escort 3 men - at least mid 60's if not 70's!!!!I said at the time " it's not like they're going to get into any trouble", but possibly they would have then!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Yup lets just say person A was a kiddy fiddler, and person B was either a victim or a parent of a victim, would his age come into it then?Nope we'd all be disgusted due to the kiddy fiddling, not due to the fact someone had filled him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 But it's alright for an ex-beatle to beatup a one legged woman.I love how people come to defense of the chap who got arrested - you know the one who broke the law - lets see if we can defend the undefensible elsewhere anyone want to defend Mugabe for 10 points or dido for 5 points lets go for the bloke who we don't know anything about who punched an elderly man in the face and got arrested for it for another 5 points - oh wait we already paid out on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 No? And if the elderly man had touched the attacker's little girl?Dez is right IMO, if you don't know the circumstances it's not really right to comment.But thats even more speculative than reading what has ACTUALLY happened and commenting.Thus far we know an unnamed male has punched an elderly gentleman in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Elderly Man might of started it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider11 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 On that point....Few stewards started to mass by us in Dolman tuesday night around the 75th minute; were talking about "away fans in the home end". 5 or 6 stewards closed in on few seat behind us and we all turned round, expecting a couple of Cockney nut jobs, and saw them escort 3 men - at least mid 60's if not 70's!!!!I said at the time " it's not like they're going to get into any trouble", but possibly they would have then!?They may not be there to cause trouble, but at every ground the regualtions will say that any away fans found in the home end will be ejected. I think its the same if home fans found in the away end. As at highbury just before it shut i was in the away end with Villa and 3 arsenal fans got removed for being home fans in the away end. Also at villa last season a few Man Utd fans in the home end but i didnt see anyone ejected but the police.stewards were looking at people complaining of away fans in there.Back to the bit about them causing trouble, they may be there with no intentions to, but if you have someone near them that works out that there away fans could possibly turn nasty if they want to give them something to remember of being in the home end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 But it's alright for an ex-beatle to beatup a one legged woman.I love how people come to defense of the chap who got arrested - you know the one who broke the law - lets see if we can defend the undefensible elsewhere anyone want to defend Mugabe for 10 points or dido for 5 points lets go for the bloke who we don't know anything about who punched an elderly man in the face and got arrested for it for another 5 points - oh wait we already paid out on that one.Noone's defending anyone, if you read the thread the only point being made is that it's wrong to leap to conclusions when you have absolutely no clue about the facts.I guess that doesn't apply to you, I mean - you know the intricate details of a celebrity's marriage so you clearly must know exactly what went on in this incident right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Yup lets just say person A was a kiddy fiddler, and person B was either a victim or a parent of a victim, would his age come into it then?Nope we'd all be disgusted due to the kiddy fiddling, not due to the fact someone had filled him in.So any elderly gent that get's a kicking is a potential paedo until proved otherwise now? This statement genuinely is perverse. Thought Police gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Violence should always be condemned. But bringing an evil dictator into the argument is laughable. I condemn the bloke who punched the other bloke in the, but i don't condemn his motives until i know them.People on the thread need to be careful that (although being right about the paedophile example) they don't assume either way as to the guys motives. It is far more likely the person who threw the punch is a scumbag rather than the other guy a Paedo.And what did Dido do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 But thats even more speculative than reading what has ACTUALLY happened and commenting.Thus far we know an unnamed male has punched an elderly gentleman in the face.I'm simply pointing out that there is at least one possible circumstance that would put the whole incident in a different light. In fact there are countless possible explanations.I'm not condemning anyone or recommending he face a ban or get put in prison, it would be wrong to do that because I know absolutely nothing about what went on.It's not a question of to what degree you speculate, it's a question of not leaping to conclusions when presented with bugger all information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Of The Dolman Posted November 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Whatever happened violence is unacceptable so until I find out anymore we can only go by the facts and that is an elderly man was punched in the face several times by another man during which he received head injuries which he had to be treated for at the ground. When its put like that there only 1 bad guy in all of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Whatever happened violence is unacceptable so until I find out anymore we can only go by the facts and that is an elderly man was punched in the face several times by another man during which he received head injuries which he had to be treated for at the ground. When its put like that there only 1 bad guy in all of it.don't buy that.Its alright saying the attacker has broke the law, but he might be conducting vengeange on the elderly man who did something far worse but got excused by the law.Sometimes violence is the only a answer, you just have to be in such a predicament yourself to be able to accept that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 So any elderly gent that get's a kicking is a potential paedo until proved otherwise now?Yes, because that's clearly what was said.I hope you're using the term "Thought police" in irony - have you read 1984?I always thought the presumption of innocence was a core principle of justice going back millenia... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Whatever happened violence is unacceptable so until I find out anymore we can only go by the facts and that is an elderly man was punched in the face several times by another man during which he received head injuries which he had to be treated for at the ground. When its put like that there only 1 bad guy in all of it.and he was arrested for it - so why do people need to know the reason for his violent conduct and start a defense campaign on his behalf - he'll have a solicitor let him stand up for the guy - if he pleads guilty and no motive comes out are we all still going to err on the side of well we don't know what the other guy did?This kind of mind set is rather less compassionate than one would expected in light of the information provided for the elderly guy who got punched several times in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Whatever happened violence is unacceptable so until I find out anymore we can only go by the facts and that is an elderly man was punched in the face several times by another man during which he received head injuries which he had to be treated for at the ground. When its put like that there only 1 bad guy in all of it.You know sod all about what happened so why do you need to "go by" any facts at all? Why the urge to be judge and jury without any facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 and he was arrested for it - so why do people need to know the reason for his violent conduct and start a defense campaign on his behalf - he'll have a solicitor let him stand up for the guy - if he pleads guilty and no motive comes out are we all still going to err on the side of well we don't know what the other guy did?This kind of mind set is rather less compassionate than one would expected in light of the information provided for the elderly guy who got punched several times in the head.It's got nothing to do with mindset it's a simple principle. You don't condemn someone out of hand in complete ignorance of any facts. What is complicated about it?Does being arrested mean you're a criminal then eh?Jesus christ to think some of these people are eligible for jury service scares the shit outta me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff65 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 It's got nothing to do with mindset it's a simple principle. You don't condemn someone out of hand in complete ignorance of any facts. What is complicated about it?Does being arrested mean you're a criminal then eh?Jesus christ to think some of these people are eligible for jury service scares the shit outta me.So you think compassion is not warranted to the elderly man who had his head punched several times - think about - you are a relative of the elderly gentleman who gets punched in the head and you come and read these boards and instead of seeing the compassion and the "hope he gets better" remarks that one might expect is treated to a gob full of how we should defend the rights of a man who has demonstrated that he is capable of violance. Think about it you seem to like to want to here about civil liberties - go take a look at what Martin Luther said about compassion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beau45 Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 It's got nothing to do with mindset it's a simple principle. You don't condemn someone out of hand in complete ignorance of any facts. What is complicated about it?Does being arrested mean you're a criminal then eh?Jesus christ to think some of these people are eligible for jury service scares the shit outta me.And the fact that someone was punched means he deserved it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 You need to try and see it from both sides is all that I think people are trying to say.Believe me there are some times when violence happens and the person on the receiving end isnt always an "innocent victim" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 So you think compassion is not warranted to the elderly man who had his head punched several times - think about - you are a relative of the elderly gentleman who gets punched in the head and you come and read these boards and instead of seeing the compassion and the "hope he gets better" remarks that one might expect is treated to a gob full of how we should defend the rights of a man who has demonstrated that he is capable of violance. Think about it you seem to like to want to here about civil liberties - go take a look at what Martin Luther said about compassion...But the family could be oblivious to something to elderly man did.Which is beside the point. Why offer compassion when you don't know the facts?Just leave it as it is and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 And the fact that someone was punched means he deserved it?More often than not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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