T R Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hate the unicorns, hate the slave ship, hate the weird tin hat, hate the snake, don't mind the hand holding the snake, second thoughts..nah, hate that too. Up the robins! how about this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 One of these would look pretty good. 2 / 6Exit gallery and go to previous page Bobby robin 'Robins are my favourite bird ... I am a gardener and tree surgeon so I'm lucky to have frequent visits from these friendly little fellas, especially when I'm digging. I love their song and the way they land on my garden tools. One actually landed on my foot recently. They are the friendliest bird around and are rewarded for it by me with plenty of worms.'Photograph: Thomas Poulsom ; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikeysrobins Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 I think the robin in front of the Suspension Bridge is my favourite because it's different and unique to Bristol and Bristol City FC. The 'In front of the gate' robin is going to be dated if we move on to the Vale and the crest is so much like lots of other badges across the country. I give you the robin is a bit cartoony but maybe somebody can come up with a more contemporary design. I like the crest too so its a tough one! Looks like we're split on this one going by the poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikeysrobins Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 Robin and suspension bridge every time. If people feel that it is old fashioned etc then surely it could be updated? I know people that arent from Bristol that still think that is our badge. It is instantly recognisable and I think looks pretty cool. Agreed on this one! I like both to be honest but the robin in front of the suspension bridge is unique to us, whereas the crest is like so many others - from a distance - across the country. It's a difficult one - looks like we're split on this one going by the poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 21, 2012 Report Share Posted May 21, 2012 polls running also on http://www.ziderheads.co.uk/ch/ Should be interesting results... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erniehuntslovechild Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 It seems to be an age issue, started supporting City in the sixties and then had to live with a mickey mouse robin design introduced in the 70's (It was embarrasing at the time) and although we may have been one of the original 'Robin' teams we were not unique (Swinedon, Cheltenham etc). I have got used to the Robin but it still seems retro and dated. So it's the crest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knowle Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Crest, we are Bristol City, we're Bristolian. Our club belongs to our City. The clubs greatest player was from wiltshire and for a long time city described themselves as pride of the west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puckle_red Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Robin is by far my choice. The crest is embarassing, it has no BCFC feature. There is not reason why the Robin can't be given a slightly modern glint to it but it is who we are. Robins are hard ******s too and stand up for themselves...just like this club should be - Tough, hard to beat and intimidating. I hate the crest and would never buy BCFC merchandise with a crest on it. The Eastend lads have it right with Ernie, the huge Robin on the wall is stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warwickshire Red Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Would be great if the ST could raise this with the club to start some debate (or see if the club has any appetite to discuss) as there seems a fair bit of support so far to consider some form of badge change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphindevon Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I would like to have the Robin on the badge...... but hate the nickname.........which nobody ever uses anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Reynolds Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 The crest everytime. The robin looks like a cartoon, and it makes me cringe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 polls running also on http://www.whenthemoonshines.co.uk and http://www.ziderheads.co.uk/ch/ Should be interesting results... Early days.. WTMS Vote so far crest 0 robin 21 ZH Vote so far crest 0 robin 16 undecided 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forza Revolution Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Robin for me, Bring back the passion and identity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Always thought the robin looked a bit childish. Still does. I like Ernie, but not on a shirt. So its the traditional crest for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCAGFC Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Crest for me, it looks smart & clean........not like the robin badge that looks like something that has been scribbled by a 2 year old. BCAGFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcbs20 Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 Always thought the robin looked a bit childish. Still does. I like Ernie, but not on a shirt. So its the traditional crest for me. I agree with you 100% if the robin was unique to us then it would be a no brainer, but Altrincham, Charlton, Cheltenham and Swindon all share the name. I too like Ern it's by far my best and favourite tat I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I would also add, get rid of the robins identity, loads of teams out there called the robins. It wasn't even our traditional name, that was the Bristol babes. Not that I am suggesting that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I agree with you 100% if the robin was unique to us then it would be a no brainer, but Altrincham, Charlton, Cheltenham and Swindon all share the name. I too like Ern it's by far my best and favourite tat I have. Bloody hell, am I lurking in your head, or vice versa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project Nibor Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 When we played Ajax the other year they had their main badge on the front and the coat of Amsterdam on the back (at the top above where the player name / sponser would be) Could this work for us? Other clubs also use two badges like Man Utd, can't think of the others off the top of my head tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted May 22, 2012 Report Share Posted May 22, 2012 I think the robin in front of the Suspension Bridge is my favourite because it's different and unique to Bristol and Bristol City FC. The 'In front of the gate' robin is going to be dated if we move on to the Vale and the crest is so much like lots of other badges across the country. I give you the robin is a bit cartoony but maybe somebody can come up with a more contemporary design. I like the crest too so its a tough one! Looks like we're split on this one going by the poll! Traditional badge for a the west country team, the club seem interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 What actually are the benefits of using the Crest? Is it widely in use by fans groups? Is it easy to replicate? Is it widely known outside of Bristol? Is it more attractive to kids than an "Ernie" or "Scrumpy"? The crest as an identity is not particularly strong. It is synonymous with the council, cricket and rugby. There is a connection with the Gas. It seems logical to at least use more Bristol's world famous landmark and its nickname more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 We should have our oven badge and ID to Bristol city not just Bristol as a whole ie: the gas, glous cricket, the council etc. The rovers using the pirate is a part of Bristols history (read up on it) but in itself represents them alone and a few schools call themselfs Bristol but have their own emblem, badge and rovers dumped the crest years ago for this reason that they are Bristol but not South Bristol. The crest (bristol coat of arms) was a re-brand and meger with in itself back in the day with ship and castle (coat of arms) and crest supporters (unicorns) putting the two together so it's not as traditional as people like to make out. The arms are based on the early seals of Bristol, from which the ship and castle theme (signifying a strongly fortified harbour) developed (part of that is slavery). The shield was in use from about the 14th century, and to this was added in 1569 supporters (the two unicorns) and the crest (two arms rising from the clouds holding scales and a serpent). The significance of these various items is recorded in the City Audit Books of this time:- the Unicorns will only do homage to men of virtue; the arms in the crest signify that good government depends on wisdom (the serpent) and justice (the scales) and that these are divine gifts from above. http://www.ngw.nl/int/gbr/b/bristol.htm http://brisray.com/bristol/bsal1.htm old robin badge on club merchandise but never on the shirts (even before the robin, ball and bridge design) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 We should have our oven badge and ID to Bristol city not just Bristol as a whole ie: the gas, glous cricket, the council etc. The rovers using the pirate is a part of Bristols history (read up on it) but in itself represents them alone and a few schools call themselfs Bristol but have their own emblem, badge and rovers dumped the crest years ago for this reason that they are Bristol but not South Bristol. The crest (bristol coat of arms) was a re-brand and meger with in itself back in the day with ship and castle (coat of arms) and crest supporters (unicorns) putting the two together so it's not as traditional as people like to make out. The arms are based on the early seals of Bristol, from which the ship and castle theme (signifying a strongly fortified harbour) developed (part of that is slavery). The shield was in use from about the 14th century, and to this was added in 1569 supporters (the two unicorns) and the crest (two arms rising from the clouds holding scales and a serpent). The significance of these various items is recorded in the City Audit Books of this time:- the Unicorns will only do homage to men of virtue; the arms in the crest signify that good government depends on wisdom (the serpent) and justice (the scales) and that these are divine gifts from above. http://www.ngw.nl/in...r/b/bristol.htm http://brisray.com/bristol/bsal1.htm old robin badge on club merchandise but never on the shirts (even before the robin, ball and bridge design) The Robin was not the original club nickname. And is in no way original to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 There are too many clubs called the robins, I would like to see us have a different nickname. Charlton, Cheltenham and Swindon are all called the robins, it's too common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 The Robin was not the original club nickname. And is in no way original to us. Ah! the Bristol babe thing, is that Bedminster fc or Bristol south end? that was about on the clubs merger moving in to the football league as we were new. Have a read up, the robin has been around in some form and used for a long time (even if no badge appeared on the shirts) looking at a picture in 1957- 58 a chap looking like dads army with a robin on the end of a stick pointing it at the rovers mascot ''a pirate''. We are the robins everyone else does not matter. Now the supporters trust to other fan groups are proud to use the robin rather than a crest, we have a robin mascot not a unicorn or a ship, the press still refer to us as ''the robins''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Ah! the Bristol babe thing, is that Bedminster fc or Bristol south end? that was about on the clubs merger moving in to the football league as we were new. Have a read up, the robin has been around in some form and used for a long time (even if no badge appeared on the shirts) looking at a picture in 1957- 58 a chap looking like dads army with a robin on the end of a stick pointing it at the rovers mascot ''a pirate''. We are the robins everyone else does not matter. Now the supporters trust to other fan groups are proud to use the robin rather than a crest, we have a robin mascot not a unicorn or a ship, the press still refer to us as ''the robins''. Nope bristol babe was Bristol City thing, i think it came around because we were a new club into the football league, so it is our traditional first nickname Robins came in a long time after that. I know some media outlests refer to us as the Robins, and We have a Pub called the Robins, but i can't ever rememebr a fellow Bristol City fan that I have spoken to refer to us as the Robins, liekwise nor the Bristol Babes, Just as City. If the Robin is to come back on the shirts, for me, the design will have to be a hell of a lot better than it was before hand. The old design was cery child like and amateurish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Project Nibor Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 There are too many clubs called the robins, I would like to see us have a different nickname. Charlton, Cheltenham and Swindon are all called the robins, it's too common. If you ask most fans around the country, (and alot of non football fans) which club are the robins the vast majority will say us. It's part of our history and associated with the westcountry We are the true robins all the others are just cheap imitations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Nope bristol babe was Bristol City thing, i think it came around because we were a new club into the football league, so it is our traditional first nickname Robins came in a long time after that. I know some media outlests refer to us as the Robins, and We have a Pub called the Robins, but i can't ever rememebr a fellow Bristol City fan that I have spoken to refer to us as the Robins, liekwise nor the Bristol Babes, Just as City. If the Robin is to come back on the shirts, for me, the design will have to be a hell of a lot better than it was before hand. The old design was cery child like and amateurish The club had the match day programme called the robin at one time, point is a new robin design could be the way foward but we need our own ID and badge. Bristol babes was a cross over of 2 clubs, Bristol south end and Bedminster more or less Bristol south end (Yes partly because we were new but they firsty used two grounds) The club's genealogical tree is complex. There are two 'family lines'. One is via southville (formed in 1887) and Bedminster (1889). The other is via Bristol south end (formed 1894) and Bristol city (formed 1897). The present Bristol city Association Football Club resulted from the amalgamaton of Bedminster and Bristol City at the end of the 1899-1900 season. Since bedminster's predecssor, southville, were formed in the Queen victoria's jubilee year (1887) it would seem reasonable to propose that the 1997-8 campaign should mark the centenary of the current club. The arranged marriage of 1900, between the two south bristol clubs, probably prevented a repeat of the problems of East bristol, where both warmley and st. george had dispanded the previous seasons. The Bedminster board, particulary chairman A.W.Francis and secatary W.H.Burland, pushed the idea of amalgamation strongly, and it was agreed on 10th april 1900 at a crowded Bristol citys shareholders meeting, held at the Temperance Hall Bedminster. During the first season home matches would be shared between citys (bristol south end) headquarters at st.johns lane and Bedminsters Ashton gate ground, which had hosted the England v Wales international in march 1899. Victorian Bristol was a hotbed for boxing, cricket and rugby, and it was not until 1882 that an association was formed (warmley). Professionalisam was as late as 1897, when Bristol city, Bristol st george, Eastville rovers and Warmlry took the plunge. Then next year Bedminster followed suit. But by 1900, competition had reduced the numbers to two, rovers and city. And these two remained local rivals until Bristol rovers vacated Eastville stadium at the end of 1985-86 season. The actual date of southville's formation has proved elusive. Various potted histories of the club, such as in the Bristol evening news (15 september 1894), give their birth as 1887, and no match reports appear before 15th october of that year. On 12th november, southville took part in the inaugural gloucestershire senior professional cup match. Among the clubs prominent members were the Gyles brothers. Charlie founded a local sports shop which exists today. Southville played their home games at Bedminster park, now called Greville smyth park. Encouragement from Dr W.G.Grace, who refereed a gloucestershire cup at warmley in 1889, and active help from Dr E.H.Cook, led to a liasion with Bedminster cricket club, hence the change of name. Bedminster played in maroon and old gold shirts in greenway bush lane southville. The next season (1890-91) Bedminster won the Gloucestershire cup, beating warmley 2-0, and in 1891 they first played in the FA Amateur cup the following season, Bedminster's popularity was such that 4,000 people watched a Gloucestershire cup semi final against st.george in 1894. Competition arrived in the form of Bristol south End, formed in 1894 when an internal dispute in the Bedminster club coincided with the disbanding of Bristol south. The name was suggested by Mr J.A Stevens, secretary of the Bristol & district league, who was an admirer of Preston north end. The committee chose the colours of red shirts and navy blue shorts. Turned down by the Bristol and district league, they arranged an attractive list of fixtures which included Preston north end, Tottenham hot spur and Swindon town. For six years there was rivary between Bedminster and Bristol south End, who were renamed Bristol city halfway through that period. he first local derby -- the minsters aganst the garibaldians -- was on 23rd march 1895, when 4,000 saw Bristol south end 2-0 at Green bush lane. In 1896, Bedminster moved to Ashton gate, beating staple hill 4-2 in the first match, although the official opening was delayed until the first match of the western league season, 1-1 draw with warmley. The 1896-97 season was also notable for the first league matches between Bedminster and Bristol south end. Warmley won the compitition that season, Bristol south end were 2nd and Bedminster 3rd. Then came the move to professionalism. A 10-0 home defeat by old carthusians in the first round of the FA Amateur cup helped Bristol south end think they might be suited to the professional world. Bedminster followed suit a year later, and in 1898-9 both clubs were playing in the southern league. A crowd of 10,250 saw the two teams meet at st.johns lane in december 1898. The change to professionalism had bought a change of name too - from bristol south end to Bristol city. Sam hollis came from Woolich Arsenal to manage Bristol city and two years later he moved to Bedminster. Hollis helped Bristol city win the Gloucestershire cup and the western league, and in 1898 the club received one vote in an unsuccessful bid to join the football league. A first major honour looked to be Bristol citys 1898-9, but southampton won the last southern league match 4-3 to force city in to runners up spot. In 1900, Bedminster and Bristol city merged --Now remember Bristol south end now Bristol city played at st.johns lane and Bedminster played at Ashton gate --- They adopted the red shirts of Bristol city and, after an experimental season using TWO GROUNDS and three seasons at st. johns lane, the Ashton gate ground of Bedminster became the permanent home of the now merged club with the name Bedminster dropped for Bristol city. Bob campell was manager, but within a year sam hollis was to take over, just as the Bristol babe entered the football league. In 1901 Bristol city were successful in an application to join the football league, finishing joint top of the poll, despite having to compete with clubs seeking re-election to the second division. The club's first second division game was on 7th september 1901 when paddy o'brien's two goals bought a 2-0 win at Blackpool. The first home game - a 3-0 win over stockport - saw a crowd of 7,000 at st.johns lane. Not untill 1904 did BRISTOL CITY MOVE TO ASHTON GATE. By then the record attendance had been raised to 17,909 on the occasion of a second round FA cup tie against sheffield united and Bristol city decided to make Ashton gate their home as THEY OUT GREW St.johns lane, so if they decided to have stayed then steve lansdown today could be looking to move from st.johns lane. So in truth ashton gate was Bedminsters ground, St.johns lane was Bristol south end A.K.A Bristol city's Ground all that went in the merge was the bedminster name and in the end st.johns lane ground, so city have moved a few times in their history as even Bedminster who were part of what was to become Bristol city moved to ashton gate from another area ie: green bush lane, chuck in southville at Greville Smyth Park we have had a few venues before we settled at Ashton gate, question is who as a fan is your loyalty now? Bristol south end, Bedminster, Bristol city, Southville? as at the time the rivalry matched city and rovers..... Bedminster park NOW Greville Smyth Park green bush lane ashton gate st.johns lane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 Coat of Arms. I am proud to come from Bristol. If lucky to be selected, those players are representing BRISTOL. As the club says Bristol YOUR City The robin is a bit dated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted May 23, 2012 Report Share Posted May 23, 2012 I remember chatting with SL some time ago, he said he would not be against total re branding of the club if the right suggestion were made, not sure that its down to him now... we did have a thread about it a while back, but noone really put forward any great suggestions... Does anyone have now? This was as we were entering the initial stages of the new stadium.. Dam those Nimby philistines. I may sue them for their philistinism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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