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14 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:Tinnion is doing a good job at the Academy IMHO. I can see why he receives some criticism but calling for his sacking is a wild overreaction.
The results since NP left do however make a mockery of the stated reason for sacking NP and appointing Manning: that NP wasn't getting enough out of the players and that bringing in Manning would mean a much better final league position.
This aim has blatantly failed.
What is the Board's response?
Is it "Oh well." perchance?
I've pointed out on a separate thread that Tinnion was mostly in charge of literally academy recruitment, and that's it, even then none of the players coming through now - Conway, Bell, Palmer-Houlden, were recruited by him. We won't see the impact of Tinnions running of the academy until more players break into the team, but aside from the likes of Knight-Lebel many don't seem to be progressing or given a chance under Manning like they would under Pearson (who played the likes of Taylor-Clarke and Yeboah) due to the U18 Cup fiasco.
Horseman, Probert, and Davenport were mostly in charge of their development, with the former credited by Reid and Bryan in their development.
Scott's signing (per the announcement on the club website) was spearheaded by Probert, not Tinnion who by that stage was splitting duties between youth and his role as loan manager, and was orchestrated on a tip of from Vance to the club via SL. As for Semenyo, by 2017, at some stage, recruitment was being split between Tinnion and Damian Butt (Head of Academy Recruitment) - https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/semenyo-signed-up-from-sgs/
Those links with SGS, Guernsey - will remain even if Tinnions leaves.
Add to that the manner of Pearsons sacking - which others have pointed out has Tinnions fingerprints all over it, and based on Tinnions role in ST Promotional material - the exact kind of thing we'd slate Ashton for, sorry I want him gone.
He's grabbing too far - one person should not be capable nor in charge of the Academy (Director), Loan Manager, and Technical (a word he can't even spell in this LinkedIn profile) Director, all at the same time.
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3 minutes ago, RollsRoyce said:
I would absolutely give King the caretaker role until seasons end. No chance of relegation, we cannot get worse can we? He may surprise a few people.
It is what we should have evolved to , with Nige, (keeping Curtis and Dave R also ) IMHO.
It's a similar situation to when Rohl took over at Wed. Nothing to lose, but gives him a platform and low bar to improve from.
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Manning.
Someone with a back bone to stir hornets nest and stop Tinnion interfering.
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Out: Tinnion, John, Manning.
In: Horseman, Warburton, King/New HC.
Ideally I'd want NP, but I can't see him deciding to work with this lot again, the only reason he did round two with Leicester was change in ownership from Mandaric.
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8 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:
OP is exactly where I am, I would have him here next season in any circumstance bar actual relegation (won’t happen).
But I think he’s gonna need a steady influx of wins spread over the final 8 games as his position is becoming borderline untenable. I don’t remember the fan base being this vocally against even Dean Holden, and performances under him were significantly worse than they are now.
Who inherited LJs sinkhole.
Not Pearson's steady if unflattering concrete foundation.
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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
Just to confirm, not dissing Andi in any way, just that one of my favourite and respected players in recent years is congratulating WBA.
Speaks volumes about his treatment at City then.
My expectation would be to just not tweet. That he did so speaks enough.
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10 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:
What a game that was.
As critical as many of us are over Pearson sacking/Manning’s appointment, a few years ago Robins was heavily linked to us but was not a popular choice with fans. Am I right in thinking he was Lansdown’s preferred choice at the time?
I believe when LJ joined he was linked. However he was having a fairly torrid period at Scunthorpe iirc circa 2016.
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49 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:
WBA (a)
Leicester City (H)
Plymouth (a)
Sunderland (a)
What do we reckon? I'd take three points and snap your hand off anything more from that lot although if he gets a result today that changes it!!
Completely depends how Manning approaches it.
If we approach it like we did Ipswich - we may get something, approach it like we did against Swansea (where the latter couldn't hit a barn door) against the likes of Diangana, Swift, Whittaker, and Mavdidi, we'll get nothing.
Personally think we'll get nothing from WBA and Leicester, so if we do thats a plus. Will mean nothing however if we don't get three points off one of Plymouth or Sunderland with neither in good form.
Ideally want 4 points. Reckon we'll get 2.
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Atmosphere at AG has in large been awful since the redevelopment.
Think the Atyeo needs to be refurbished into an a slightly larger stand that would allow more of a Home-Away Split, moving S82 into next to the away fans with a proper cordon.
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8 hours ago, Bat Fastard said:
You sound perfect for the job!! How many young players have you recruited, nursed through the academy into the first team and then on to the Premier League?
Technically speaking - Tinnion hasn't had anything to do with player development, recruitment on the other hand sure.
However - Kelly, Reid, and Bryan came through when Horseman was development lead (whom Reid credited with being the biggest influence for him in the academy). All had nothing to do with Tinnion and pre date his tenure as Head of Youth Recruitment as when they joined.
The same applies to Conway (2009), Bell (2011), and even Palmer-Houlden (2012).
Tinnion became said Head of Youth Recruitment in 2013 (worth noting his LinkedIn dates are about as accurate as the spelling on it), as per - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23009461, the city site article on it has mysteriously vanished.
So the only players that recruited during the intervening period of Tinns being 'Head of Youth Recruitment' that went onto develop were Alex Scott and Semenyo.
But even then, for some reason on Scott's announcement per the website (https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/alex-scott-joins-city/) Probert seems to take lead, with his comments being the focus, and Tinns referenced as only 'Loan Manager', so there are some blurred lines as to what his actual role was in that signing, with the same being the case in his announcement as 'Player Pathway Manager' (https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/tinnion-appointed-player-pathway-manager/) - only, again, a mention as loan manager.
So there's no clarity.
It's only after his sale to Bournemouth we got more details as per - https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/the-inside-bristol-city-story-as-to-how-club-unearthed-ps25m-gem-alex-scott-4137520 - with Vance being first sounded as a contact by SL back in 2010.
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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
Dale Vince shared a Chateaubriand with Cotts post-match…I heard!
No
Just checked. Inherited David Kelly from Deeneys reign.
Bizarrely, was assistant to a certain Paul Simpson, at Preston.
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Is Carey still assistant?
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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:
I think you’re right, but I’m still waiting to find out how he wants to play. If he sets up like he did Sunday but with Twine instead of Knight, you might start to get an idea that Knight is playing there as a compromise becayse Twine isn’t fit. However, the one game Twine was fit, he played him and Knight as no10s. So I kinda think that might be his preferred set up.
All will be revealed….maybe?
I think it’s clear we want a forward and a no10.
We’ve signed Bird, so that’s one of Williams, James and King sorted.
Maybe Murphy is a second of those three?
We've signed Stokes as the deputy no10.
I don’t think there’s a lot more in the midfield / attack to come.
I think the defence and goalkeeper depends on trading.
Agree with the majority of that - think as you note its Murphy and Bird in for James and Williams, which will reduce wages, but also mean our only midfielder with Champ experience in the last 12 months come end of season is Knight.
Think we sign a replacement for Twine in the summer - as I think the fee to sign him is laughably high and not value for money, if we do it also means that NP was outright sabotaged to an even greater extent than we believe already. There's a difference between backing for the right player and blowing the budget completely - but then we've done the same under LJ and likely not learned from it at all.The one benefit for Tinnion - which should be difficult for him to muck up - is that with clubs slimming squad sizes down, like last summer, loads of players are becoming available on frees as things stand end of season. Just for the midfield alone if we wish to replace King, there are options including the likes of Browne, Mowatt, Shackleton, among others who have experience at this level all on frees end of season as things stand.
Sadly, as for the bold - if he doesnt, we're nailed on relegated if not primary candidates to be such next season as things stand. At least in my view. As on paper that squad with one or two additions has much less experience at this level - and Williams and James have had some very good performances in our only wins under Manning, its imperative they get their replacements - if not renewing either - right. I'd prefer some depth.
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1 hour ago, Simon bristol said:
The lansdowns tried setting us up with ceo’s, but they couldnt get that right either.
Lack of oversight - which Ashton now has at Ipswich with Gamechanger.
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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:
2-0 down HT per Twitter
Going well then.
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21 hours ago, Targeted by Mods said:
Hey Stalker Max are you related to Shelton the Shelbie Dog? Keep those reactions coming
21 hours ago, Targeted by Mods said:21 hours ago, Targeted by Mods said:Good Girl
Are you OK Travis?
Quoting yourself is a really weird look.
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1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:
Tuesday 0800-1200: Bomb Alley.
I'll be honest, the pitch zoning was actually quite clever.
Just not sure how it applied during the second half of his tenure when we were camped in our own half. Made it just slightly redundant.
17 minutes ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:And yet, he was still shit.
I maintain LJs main issue has and always will be man management.
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2 minutes ago, Superjack said:
Perfectly sensible.
And I live in a yellow ****ing submarine.
... I can dream.
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24 minutes ago, Superjack said:
Manning is an atrocious appointment. But I don't have anything against the bloke personally. He's far too boring to extract any such reaction.
But he needs to go. Tinnion needs to go.
But above and beyond all else, the Lansdowns need to go.
I wouldn't have an issue with the Lansdowns if JL was made Chairman of the Flyers and Fever Pitch but removed from BCFC Chairmanship, and Tinnion sacked.
Appoint Mark Warburton to be Director of Football, Pearson as Manager, and appoint Gavin Marshall as Chairman as the only other current active Director on the board - https://www.bristol-sport.co.uk/bristol-sport-group-confirms-new-board-roles-for-kelly-and-marshall/. Horseman back in as Head of Youth Development. Let them then proceed to get on with it, plan for the rest of the season and the summer and kick on next season.
Don't interfere, just set the budgets (i.e. £5m limit plus player trading, use available wage budget after James, King, and other contracts finish, wage caps (if felt necessary to avoid an MA repeat) and aims. Step back. Don't leave it to two people completely under-qualified for the task at hand.
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33 minutes ago, Davefevs said:40 minutes ago, Ecko said:
Incredibly amateur to put a specific number on next seasons point total. Hasn't BT learned from JL's mistakes of saying this squad has a top 6 squad. All this does will be further pressure on Manning next season.
Also, BT is thick in saying this right before next season's season ticket prices will be released. Does he really think we will flock to purchase a season ticket, where he has publicly stated that the ambition is to be 10 points better off?!
Laughable, amateurish, joker.
Think all the evidence is there as Fevs has pointed out for all.
Chucking figures at an interview thinking it makes him sound clever.Then turns out he's colour-blind and can't read.
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3 minutes ago, WeAreThePigs said:
Tbh you did just say it things would shift which I’m glad emphasises my point - all this “what ifs” you mention, I really don’t find interesting, and pretty pointless, sorry.
But your point about "win at Leciester/WBA hasnt been addressed" or thereof is literally a what if....
The entire point of this thread is a what if.
Viewpoints being discussed on prospective results is literal all hypothetical, I've said viewpoints could change to the better if we pick up unexpected points - but you've not addressed what happens in the opposite scenario, and brushed it off with 'all this “what ifs” you mention, I really don’t find interesting, and pretty pointless', you're just avoiding the crux of the argument that this entire thread asks.
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Just now, WeAreThePigs said:
Thanks for confirming my point - yes the points total would shift, which is why the initial post is nonsense in the first place.
View point would shift more the point. But as I said, I don't think, for example, beating WBA and drawing Leicester would help Mannings case when the point of the orignal post was a minimum of two wins, and at least five good performances (indicating separate of any result).
So hypothetically, say we win at WBA, drawing Leicester; but then go onto draw at Rotherham and lose the rest of our games this season - what then? The post isn't nonsense - it's questioning what the goals should be to end of season now we're ultimately 95% safe of relegation.
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2 minutes ago, WeAreThePigs said:
I’m not trying to be rude but do I really need to explain this? They are saying that we need a minimum of 6 points against those 3 games or he deserves the sack - I’m saying what happens if he wins against Lei/WBR and then picks 5 points up? That he should be sacked? I mean I’m pretty suprised I have to explain this but it evidences why his post is so flawed.
He's not referenced WBA or Leicester as I think he's ignoring the idea of us picking up anything against them. I'm of the same mind being frank.
If we get anything pretty sure @Numero Uno viewpoint would shift slightly. But say we draw against both, doubt then losing all three of the aforementioned fixtures around us alleviates any pressure on Manning. Appreciate the optimism of thinking we'll get diddly out of Leicester and WBA though, wish I was as optimistic.
Bottom 3 in 2024 table - Tinnion defend this (sackable)
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The problem with the point in bold, EH, is that if he empowered them - they would stay.
Probert chose to follow Ashton to Ipswich - a division below at the time, rather than stay under Tinnion - rather than allow Probert to advance with us, he left to become Director of Football, as he was never getting that sort of offer here over and above Tinnion. Adding to that he seems to have gone from strength to strength, makes me think - at least on the evidence, that he was the main brains of the operation.
I could be wrong, but I think Probert was a Gareth Jennings (?) appointment - who went onto return to Leicester as Academy Manager back in 2015 - was a Keith Burt appointment I think.