LJ post match - very philosophical

[Robbored]

 

[And Its Smith]

Johnson talked about players making their beds in the morning. A new one from him 

[joe jordans teeth]

Why didn’t he comment on the mass vocal support for Tommy Robinson,certainly has taken the heat of him this evening on otib

[Bar BS3]

13 minutes ago, RedDave said:

Johnson talked about players making their beds in the morning. A new one from him 

No, he used that as an example of just a small part of a disciplined way of conduct. 
He spoke for 10? Mins about the game. Why wouldn’t you focus on a 10 comment which had far more context that you are making out..?!

[AppyDAZE]

Where's the edited bit "I was partly to blame, I left Nik Eliasson  sitting on his arse for an hour"

[And Its Smith]

11 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

No, he used that as an example of just a small part of a disciplined way of conduct. 
He spoke for 10? Mins about the game. Why wouldn’t you focus on a 10 comment which had far more context that you are making out..?!

Don’t know what you are on about. There is a lot of talk of ‘ Johnsonisms’. Ie these funny things he comes out with. I was merely mentioning it

It isn’t a criticism. I’m his biggest fan.

Chill 

[AppyDAZE]

5 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Did bugger all when he came on so he would have been better off sitting on his arse for an hour and a half 

I saw him put a pinpoint cross onto the head of Rodri, mate  Did you look away ?  I meant he should have started as he deserves to and is easily our most creative player at BCFC

[Pezo]

9 minutes ago, Matty_Taylor_is_god said:

Did bugger all when he came on so he would have been better off sitting on his arse for an hour and a half 

Increased our whole teams pace when he came on. 

[Fpcity]

If you play Diedhiou you play Nik and leave Palmer on the bench which won't look good considering how much he cost but those 2 just don't play well together. This season the plan was to play Palmer with a mobile striker in front of him, our reported targets were all similar players to Afobe before he signed. That was clear to see in those 5 games he played and Diedhiou benched. 

Its a tricky situation for Johnson. Leave a 4m player on the bench because he doesn't really click with the current fit strikers or play him with Diedhiou and not really play to his or Diedhious strengths. 

Maybe he sees Rodri as someone who can play with KP

[Pezo]

3 hours ago, paul_fox said:

If you play Diedhiou you play Nik and leave Palmer on the bench which won't look good considering how much he cost but those 2 just don't play well together. This season the plan was to play Palmer with a mobile striker in front of him, our reported targets were all similar players to Afobe before he signed. That was clear to see in those 5 games he played and Diedhiou benched. 

Its a tricky situation for Johnson. Leave a 4m player on the bench because he doesn't really click with the current fit strikers or play him with Diedhiou and not really play to his or Diedhious strengths. 

Maybe he sees Rodri as someone who can play with KP

This is what I thought, but then today happened. 

He took off Palmer for eliasson on 59th minute (here comes the crosses for Fam) then took off Fam then put Rodri on in the 64th. So no one to get on the end of those crosses but would have worked well with balls through the middle.

I normally see what Johnson is trying and support him but he confused me a lot today.

[wendyredredrobin]

You know that when you take a 2 week break, it takes you a day or two to get back up to speed when you go back to work.  Well I think that's what happened today.  Just a shame that the Hatters were not half asleep as well.

Next time there is a break, don't just give the players 2 weeks off to go on holiday and over stuff themselves, have them in training every day, work on tacticd and keep them on their toes.  The summer break is quite sufficient.

[And Its Smith]

9 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

You know that when you take a 2 week break, it takes you a day or two to get back up to speed when you go back to work.  Well I think that's what happened today.  Just a shame that the Hatters were not half asleep as well.

Next time there is a break, don't just give the players 2 weeks off to go on holiday and over stuff themselves, have them in training every day, work on tacticd and keep them on their toes.  The summer break is quite sufficient.

The players don’t get two weeks off to go on holiday and stuff themselves 

[wendyredredrobin]

3 minutes ago, RedDave said:

The players don’t get two weeks off to go on holiday and stuff themselves 

Well it looked that way judging by todays performance.

[Mr Popodopolous]

26 minutes ago, RedDave said:

The players don’t get two weeks off to go on holiday and stuff themselves 

Maddison being clocked in a casino when England on international duty makes me wonder about that. Granted he wasn't fit for England or something but...

For us, someone- was it  Baker- was in Spain on the international break on holiday. May not have been Baker actually, definitely one of our players but unsure who!

Still, how tightly monitored are players during such periods?

[Spike]

There is a lot of discussion about us but the fact is that Luton knew how to make us uncomfortable, they knew their strengths and their weaknesses and they knew ours too. 

Luton set out to make us uncomfortable and although they had a few hiccups that could have cost them earlier in the game they still made us struggle. For me LJ was tactically beaten today, Luton did their homework and knew exactly how to come at us whereas we looked lost and frustrated. 

I am still convinced we're leaving that real spark in our attack too, Eliasson helps but we still don't have that player that the opposition fear, Afobe offered a touch of that, none of our current players do. 

[New Dazzler]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Maddison being clocked in a casino when England on international duty makes me wonder about that. Granted he wasn't fit for England or something but...

For us, someone- was it  Baker- was in Spain on the international break on holiday. May not have been Baker actually, definitely one of our players but unsure who!

Still, how tightly monitored are players during such periods?

Pretty sure Josh Brownhill said he went to one of the Canary Islands for a 5 day break, but I would assume that a fit footballer who has played 3 games in 8 days and then taken a small break, but been back training for a week, should not suffer fitness wise. Think we just have to take this one on the chin and move on.

[steviestevieneville]

14 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

I saw him put a pinpoint cross onto the head of Rodri, mate  Did you look away ?  I meant he should have started as he deserves to and is easily our most creative player at BCFC

He’s a liability defensively and you can’t play wingers in a 352 

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 hours ago, New Dazzler said:

Pretty sure Josh Brownhill said he went to one of the Canary Islands for a 5 day break, but I would assume that a fit footballer who has played 3 games in 8 days and then taken a small break, but been back training for a week, should not suffer fitness wise. Think we just have to take this one on the chin and move on.

Yeah, true- that's who I was thinking of.

Yeah, bad day yesterday- 2 home games now, let's hope we respond strongly.

[Fpcity]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Yeah, true- that's who I was thinking of.

Yeah, bad day yesterday- 2 home games now, let's hope we respond strongly.

Strong at home?

It wouldn't suprise me if we lose to Charlton who will cause us trouble on the break and draw with Wigan who will just sit back and soak up the long balls 

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Strong at home?

It wouldn't suprise me if we lose to Charlton who will cause us trouble on the break and draw with Wigan who will just sit back and soak up the long balls 

Seem to have generally had a bit more defensive stability at home this season.

I worry about Charlton on the break too. They are a counterattack based side, even at home! Wigan last season seemed more proactive at AG than I thought they might have been.

Vs Charlton, maybe an idea to let them have some of the ball early. Often with sides who are counterattacking, they can struggle when asked to break down the opposition proactively and certainly struggle in defensive transition!

[spudski]

Yesterday's result has been coming for a while.

You could see it with your eye's and stats were showing we were riding our luck.

Creating few chances... fortunately when we did we converted. But we've played way too open and allowed the opposition many chances to convert. Either last ditch defending or Bentley playing a blinder has kept us in games.

It was eventually going to catch up.

I put it down to the injuries we've had...and having to play certain players continually. 

Plus the Adobe injury has really scuppered us.

Semenyo is raw...but when he's played he's looked like a rabbit in headlights. Imo, he isn't a Championship quality striker just yet.

Weimann puts in loads of effort, but it's often into areas that are non threatening...often wide.

Famara just doesn't fit with our style of play. His movement isn't in synch with the rest of the team. 

Rodri is an emergency signing as imo LJ knows we aren't good enough up front. However he made more impact yesterday than our other two forwards.

Brownhill has gone into his shell since being given Captaincy...not as effective and you can see the weight of responsibility on his shoulders holding him down.

Poor young Massengo...thrown in at deep end...the physicality of the Championship was going to catch up with him eventually...running himself into the ground and his natural game will suffer.

Palmer...does my head in. Frustrates the hell out of me. I thought a lot of LJs comments yesterday were aimed at him. Doesn't do enough for me in his all-round game, and his lethargic body language has a knock on effect to those around him... especially Famara...those two playing together are like water and oil imo.

Imo...you simply could never have Palmer, Famara and Eliasson in the same team...would be like playing with 8 players defensively. So that's a permutation out the window.

Afobe, Nagy, Kalas, DaSilva, and possibly Smith all players that would walk into our starting 11.

I also found something this week very odd. When playing Torquay this week, LJ said he didn't mind the result, but wanted the team to make over 600 passes...that was the main aim. Yet we lost possession and conceded two goals to Torquay by overplaying for the sake of it....which is something I think we've been guilty of in many matches this season.

I put this down to the poor movement in the final third...the quality of movement is poor imo...hence scoring chances being created being few and far between.

We build up, retain possession, allow opponents to become organised and defend against us. The ball goes, back forth, sideways...but no one up front is drawing players, making space for themselves, or if they do like Weimann it's often wide and into non threatening areas.

We are very very weak in the final third imo.

Would like to see this at some point soon. Just to freshen things up and give a kick up the backside to Palmer.

______________Bentley______________

____Moore____Williams____Baker____

__________HNM____Rowe__________

Eliasson______Brownhill______Odowda

________Weimann____Rodri__________

 

 

[Bazooka Joe]

16 hours ago, RedDave said:

Johnson talked about players making their beds in the morning. A new one from him 

Already tired of hearing that one.

[Bazooka Joe]

32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seem to have generally had a bit more defensive stability at home this season.

I worry about Charlton on the break too. They are a counterattack based side, even at home! Wigan last season seemed more proactive at AG than I thought they might have been.

Vs Charlton, maybe an idea to let them have some of the ball early. Often with sides who are counterattacking, they can struggle when asked to break down the opposition proactively and certainly struggle in defensive transition!

Charlton have surprised me.

That Chelsea loanee, Gallagher(?), and a couple of others look particularly good.

Hope they have an off-day against us.

[Fpcity]

35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Seem to have generally had a bit more defensive stability at home this season.

I worry about Charlton on the break too. They are a counterattack based side, even at home! Wigan last season seemed more proactive at AG than I thought they might have been.

Vs Charlton, maybe an idea to let them have some of the ball early. Often with sides who are counterattacking, they can struggle when asked to break down the opposition proactively and certainly struggle in defensive transition!

Also Kieffer Moore hasn't scored for Wigan yet. If he doesn't today then be worth a punt on him scoring against us! 

[Son of Fred]

26 minutes ago, spudski said:

Yesterday's result has been coming for a while.

You could see it with your eye's and stats were showing we were riding our luck.

Creating few chances... fortunately when we did we converted. But we've played way too open and allowed the opposition many chances to convert. Either last ditch defending or Bentley playing a blinder has kept us in games.

It was eventually going to catch up.

I put it down to the injuries we've had...and having to play certain players continually. 

Plus the Adobe injury has really scuppered us.

Semenyo is raw...but when he's played he's looked like a rabbit in headlights. Imo, he isn't a Championship quality striker just yet.

Weimann puts in loads of effort, but it's often into areas that are non threatening...often wide.

Famara just doesn't fit with our style of play. His movement isn't in synch with the rest of the team. 

Rodri is an emergency signing as imo LJ knows we aren't good enough up front. However he made more impact yesterday than our other two forwards.

Brownhill has gone into his shell since being given Captaincy...not as effective and you can see the weight of responsibility on his shoulders holding him down.

Poor young Massengo...thrown in at deep end...the physicality of the Championship was going to catch up with him eventually...running himself into the ground and his natural game will suffer.

Palmer...does my head in. Frustrates the hell out of me. I thought a lot of LJs comments yesterday were aimed at him. Doesn't do enough for me in his all-round game, and his lethargic body language has a knock on effect to those around him... especially Famara...those two playing together are like water and oil imo.

Imo...you simply could never have Palmer, Famara and Eliasson in the same team...would be like playing with 8 players defensively. So that's a permutation out the window.

Afobe, Nagy, Kalas, DaSilva, and possibly Smith all players that would walk into our starting 11.

I also found something this week very odd. When playing Torquay this week, LJ said he didn't mind the result, but wanted the team to make over 600 passes...that was the main aim. Yet we lost possession and conceded two goals to Torquay by overplaying for the sake of it....which is something I think we've been guilty of in many matches this season.

I put this down to the poor movement in the final third...the quality of movement is poor imo...hence scoring chances being created being few and far between.

We build up, retain possession, allow opponents to become organised and defend against us. The ball goes, back forth, sideways...but no one up front is drawing players, making space for themselves, or if they do like Weimann it's often wide and into non threatening areas.

We are very very weak in the final third imo.

Would like to see this at some point soon. Just to freshen things up and give a kick up the backside to Palmer.

______________Bentley______________

____Moore____Williams____Baker____

__________HNM____Rowe__________

Eliasson______Brownhill______Odowda

________Weimann____Rodri__________

 

 

Long read but agree with every word of it.....great post,,bravo sir! - please,,it has to be Weimann / Rodri up top..

[Fpcity]

34 minutes ago, spudski said:

Yesterday's result has been coming for a while.

You could see it with your eye's and stats were showing we were riding our luck.

Creating few chances... fortunately when we did we converted. But we've played way too open and allowed the opposition many chances to convert. Either last ditch defending or Bentley playing a blinder has kept us in games.

It was eventually going to catch up.

I put it down to the injuries we've had...and having to play certain players continually. 

Plus the Adobe injury has really scuppered us.

Semenyo is raw...but when he's played he's looked like a rabbit in headlights. Imo, he isn't a Championship quality striker just yet.

Weimann puts in loads of effort, but it's often into areas that are non threatening...often wide.

Famara just doesn't fit with our style of play. His movement isn't in synch with the rest of the team. 

Rodri is an emergency signing as imo LJ knows we aren't good enough up front. However he made more impact yesterday than our other two forwards.

Brownhill has gone into his shell since being given Captaincy...not as effective and you can see the weight of responsibility on his shoulders holding him down.

Poor young Massengo...thrown in at deep end...the physicality of the Championship was going to catch up with him eventually...running himself into the ground and his natural game will suffer.

Palmer...does my head in. Frustrates the hell out of me. I thought a lot of LJs comments yesterday were aimed at him. Doesn't do enough for me in his all-round game, and his lethargic body language has a knock on effect to those around him... especially Famara...those two playing together are like water and oil imo.

Imo...you simply could never have Palmer, Famara and Eliasson in the same team...would be like playing with 8 players defensively. So that's a permutation out the window.

Afobe, Nagy, Kalas, DaSilva, and possibly Smith all players that would walk into our starting 11.

I also found something this week very odd. When playing Torquay this week, LJ said he didn't mind the result, but wanted the team to make over 600 passes...that was the main aim. Yet we lost possession and conceded two goals to Torquay by overplaying for the sake of it....which is something I think we've been guilty of in many matches this season.

I put this down to the poor movement in the final third...the quality of movement is poor imo...hence scoring chances being created being few and far between.

We build up, retain possession, allow opponents to become organised and defend against us. The ball goes, back forth, sideways...but no one up front is drawing players, making space for themselves, or if they do like Weimann it's often wide and into non threatening areas.

We are very very weak in the final third imo.

Would like to see this at some point soon. Just to freshen things up and give a kick up the backside to Palmer.

______________Bentley______________

____Moore____Williams____Baker____

__________HNM____Rowe__________

Eliasson______Brownhill______Odowda

________Weimann____Rodri__________

 

 

Some of the comments by Johnson sometimes really makes me think he thinks he's a junior Pep sometimes. That 600 pass thing is just encouraging pointless passing between the defence and as you've said it caused us to concede goals and like you've said there's no movement up front, no one looking to run off a CB shoulder. I'm hoping Rodri has that movement so we can see the best of Palmer 

[spudski]

3 minutes ago, paul_fox said:

Some of the comments by Johnson sometimes really makes me think he thinks he's a junior Pep sometimes. That 600 pass thing is just encouraging pointless passing between the defence and as you've said it caused us to concede goals and like you've said there's no movement up front, no one looking to run off a CB shoulder. I'm hoping Rodri has that movement so we can see the best of Palmer 

He has been guilty of being over tactical... he's said so himself.

However...like he said yesterday we need to do the basics better.

He did contradict himself though...said there were poor individual performances, then said it was a collective poor team performance. I guess you can have both though, so will give benefit... especially when interviewed straight after a defeat.

What he inferred and I agree, is when we go forward, we get into the final third and very often lose the ball quickly.

Our Midfield see this and are reluctant to get in the dangerzone, as it leaves us so helpless to the counter attack. It's become our Achilles heal...a catch 22.

We play well in two thirds of the pitch...up top leaves a lot to be desired. There simply is very little connection and understanding.

[wayne allisons tongues]

We are conceding to many goals 16 in 12 games. 

We need to stick to 532 or whatever formation it is. We seem to concede change formation and concede even more. Today was another example go 1 down take off Moore ( who must think why always me)  and concede again. If LJ isn’t happy playing that formation or thinks we can win with it then why start with it.

[steviestevieneville]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

He has been guilty of being over tactical... he's said so himself.

However...like he said yesterday we need to do the basics better.

He did contradict himself though...said there were poor individual performances, then said it was a collective poor team performance. I guess you can have both though, so will give benefit... especially when interviewed straight after a defeat.

What he inferred and I agree, is when we go forward, we get into the final third and very often lose the ball quickly.

Our Midfield see this and are reluctant to get in the dangerzone, as it leaves us so helpless to the counter attack. It's become our Achilles heal...a catch 22.

We play well in two thirds of the pitch...up top leaves a lot to be desired. There simply is very little connection and understanding.

I’ve said this for a while especially with fam. The midfield won’t gamble and make runs off of him because they have no confidence in him holding /linking play consistently 

[Olé]

What a brilliant video. I wasn't always an LJ fan and sometimes I felt his interviews after defeats were defensive spin and waffle but I've long since learned that I did the guy a disservice, he speaks so well about what actually happens on the pitch rather than soundbites and what he wants people to hear, this video is the most honest and accurate summary of what happened and how we lost the game, exactly as I saw it, I don't think there are many managers in the English game who would share that quality and honesty of appraisal.