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Bravo McGregor and Piercy - Post analysis


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Over the last three games we've appeared to be scared of the opposition and unable to perform the basics, pass and move. Until the confidence returns, starting from some real leadership on the pitch, expect more of the same.

Its like the old Eric Morecambe sketch with Andre Preview, "I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

The talent is there, but can LJ get a great tune out of his squad for the remaining games?

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I feel quite depressed reading that, it seems worse seeing it in black and white and all in one (Bristol) post.

I, like many others I expect, find it hard to disagree with much of it. Weve all written similar over the days, weeks and even months.

Yes injuries and departures havent helped, but the churn and tinkering is of our own doing. Ive said many times before that the more choice of players we seem to have the worse our results and performances seem to be.

What really struck me was what seems to me absolute madness of bringing in the two January loans. They might be good players but with no game time we are almost setting ourselves up to fail. Ok its hindsight now but I would much rather have gone with what we had, even with the departure of Brownhill, and got a couple of our players out on loan back, at least they had been playing and match fit.

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23 minutes ago, RedLionLad said:

"It's been a chastening and challenging 10 days for Bristol City who, in the space of three matches, have gone from being within sight of the automatic promotion places....."

We haven't moved

Position wise no, but we are much further awayin terms of points to the top two, and the chasing pack are slowly gaining on usalbeit slowly.

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4 minutes ago, pillred said:

Position wise no, but we are much further awayin terms of points to the top two, and the chasing pack are slowly gaining on usalbeit slowly.

That also coincides with the top two teams picking up 10 out of 12 points, after a bit of a slump in form from both.

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Decent read. Reinforces what many on here have said and provides stats to support the facts and asLJ is fond of stats he will know them already.

What particularly intrigued me was the timing of the piece, tbh it could have appeared anytime in the last few weeks. So does it maybe suggest that the largely benign and loyal EPis falling out of love with a LJ?

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16 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

So does it maybe suggest that the largely benign and loyal EPis falling out of love with a LJ?

None of it matters as long as LJ has the confidence and support (+/- love)of SL. We know he thinks that this a long-term project but as it stands, he has continued to support LJ. Nothing will change until the end of this season at earliest.

The manager/head coach is the most important role in any professional club. If an owner wants to see change thats usually the best way to achieve it. The question is will SL finally lose patience with LJ if as currently looks likely and he delivers another mid table finish? Im not sure he will and if he did, Im not that confident about who he would bring in as a replacement. I certainly wouldnt want elevation from within the current coaching set up.

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4 hours ago, spudski said:

That was my thoughts exactly...pretty much all of that has been debated on here beforehand.

What can be said after reading it...is that our Squad is a complete headache. I look at it now, and like LJ, think what would be our best team or system?

Too many options...yes a Club for every eventuality, but all this does is create uncertainty.

We've tried pretty much every player and every formation. It's like our 'Celebration' shirt...a complete mess.

You look at it and say...' what is it?'

It's neither this, it's neither that....a sad reflection of our football imo.

He signed them though , so hes created the problem. As Ive said before. He must have a system and style hed prefer to play. Play it and recruit players to suit. He complicates everything.

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Nice enough article, however it pretty much states what we know.

As the op said. Everybody can see it except the bloke that matters.

We are shoe horning Into the side a bloke we cant find because we have no attacking threat this has lead directly to a lack of confidence and the ball being within range of our goal almost constantly.

My opinion from the last few games is Weimann would make a difference if he was starting with Wells as we need that extra running. If we can win the ball and move it to some one behind the striker/s that also has a goal threat (Weimann)what GJ termed the luxury player, we might hurt teams more. Anything is worth a try as this current bullshit can not go on. I suspect SL put that in an indirect way when they met yesterday as well

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43 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Nice enough article, however it pretty much states what we know.

As the op said. Everybody can see it except the bloke that matters.

We are shoe horning Into the side a bloke we cant find because we have no attacking threat this has lead directly to a lack of confidence and the ball being within range of our goal almost constantly.

My opinion from the last few games is Weimann would make a difference if he was starting with Wells as we need that extra running. If we can win the ball and move it to some one behind the striker/s that also has a goal threat (Weimann)what GJ termed the luxury player, we might hurt teams more. Anything is worth a try as this current bullshit can not go on. I suspect SL put that in an indirect way when they met yesterday as well

But all he does is run around.

One might suggest weve had a lack of legs / looked lethargic in the last few games. Andi started the Leeds game, but was obviously not right. Didnt start last two. Just saying

Interesting stat (someone else gave it to me) is that Massengo has a very effective points per game from the games hes played. third highest of any player whos played 1000 mins plus!! This point was a secondary point to the person suggesting we missed Massengos legs. Couple that with Smiths energy, also missing....and we missed 3 of our players with legs!!

Out of interest, Benik has the best ppg followed by Korey, Pedro, Marley, then Tommy Rowe and Han-Noah.

Having said all that, if you leave a gap of 60 yards between attack and defence youre gonna need more than legs!!!

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But all he does is run around.

One might suggest weve had a lack of legs / looked lethargic in the last few games. Andi started the Leeds game, but was obviously not right. Didnt start last two. Just saying

Interesting stat (someone else gave it to me) is that Massengo has a very effective points per game from the games hes played. third highest of any player whos played 1000 mins plus!! This point was a secondary point to the person suggesting we missed Massengos legs. Couple that with Smiths energy, also missing....and we missed 3 of our players with legs!!

Out of interest, Benik has the best ppg followed by Korey, Pedro, Marley, then Tommy Rowe and Han-Noah.

Having said all that, if you leave a gap of 60 yards between attack and defence youre gonna need more than legs!!!

Yes certainly one might suggest that a bloke that just runs around would help :laugh:

I like Massengo, however at the moment LJ doesnt. Not sure when Smith is back but two out of three could put the energy back as we clearly miss it.

Afobes injury has been the issue since September along with obvious other injuries, which may cost LJ his job. To be fair to LJ he is not lucky with injuries.

One of the reasons of my though aboutplaying Weimann behind the front two was to fill that Gap as the bloke will get up and down (So Wells can play further forward and not have to keep coming back to collect the ball)and at this point we have to try something different.

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3 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Yes certainly one might suggest that a bloke that just runs around would help :laugh:

I like Massengo, however at the moment LJ doesnt. Not sure when Smith is back but two out of three could put the energy back as we clearly miss it.

Afobes injury has been the issue since September along with obvious other injuries, which may cost LJ his job. To be fair to LJ he is not lucky with injuries.

One of the reasons of my though aboutplaying Weimann behind the front two was to fill that Gap as the bloke will get up and down (So Wells can play further forward and not have to keep coming back to collect the ball)and at this point we have to try something different.

He played behind Afobe and Diedhiou away at Hull this season. Won 3-1.

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3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

He signed them though , so hes created the problem. As Ive said before. He must have a system and style hed prefer to play. Play it and recruit players to suit. He complicates everything.

I personally don't think it's as simple as that. He's signed and developed very good players, that have then been sold on. If we'd been able to keep them, we'd, imo, been in a stronger position.

We've recruited weakly in replacing them.

Look at all the established Clubs in this division...the Boro, Derby, Readings etc...full of strong players that are between Championship and lower Prem level. We've slowly crept into that position. Something I've worried about for a while. We've fallen into the trap of signing those types of players that are in between the two leagues. Those players know their level...they aren't going to die trying to get to the Prem. They are content going through the motions collecting a very, very good wage.

When I see the likes of Kalas flaunting his wealth, missus, trainers, car etc...I despair. Happy to play and take, but no way are they going to run through brick walls to get to the higher level....they know their limits. I'd say a good majority of our side fall into that category now. And you end up into mid table obscurity.

The reasoning...young hungry talented but inexperienced players aren't going to get you over the line. Answer...sign those that are. Result...like any other team in this league that's done the same.

We've made a massive error imo.

We've now become like any other team...and you can go through managers and players...it's not going to make the slightest difference imo.

Welcome to becoming the next QPR etc

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Good post @spudski. Slightly different point, but you sparked it.

Have we reached our peak and are about to go downwards. The expectation,desire is that the play-offs are our destiny, continued progress, etc etc.

But I see signs of a squad being built that is gonna financially drain us, like SOD was left with and we are back to 12/13 and early 13/14 again. The good players moved on for good money, until there are none left, and a squad left of high earners, with little motivation, and certainly little sell-on value.

If our coaching is good enough, perhaps we shouldve been able to continue taking the best young players with the motivation to succeed, just adjust the level of young player as we progressed. Far too simplistic (and probably over-egged) I know, but I fear LJ could leave us in a big mess. Its a bit out of control. Need to rebaseline in the summer before it goes too far.

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12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Good post @spudski. Slightly different point, but you sparked it.

Have we reached our peak and are about to go downwards. The expectation,desire is that the play-offs are our destiny, continued progress, etc etc.

But I see signs of a squad being built that is gonna financially drain us, like SOD was left with and we are back to 12/13 and early 13/14 again. The good players moved on for good money, until there are none left, and a squad left of high earners, with little motivation, and certainly little sell-on value.

If our coaching is good enough, perhaps we shouldve been able to continue taking the best young players with the motivation to succeed, just adjust the level of young player as we progressed. Far too simplistic (and probably over-egged) I know, but I fear LJ could leave us in a big mess. Its a bit out of control. Need to rebaseline in the summer before it goes too far.

I don't know about this I don't want to be thinking ahead to next season but there is a a lot that could be good. Let's take the coach out of the equation for this point (just assume its whoever you want it to be!) - if we can sell Eliasson for a decent amount (definitely not impossible) and keep most of the other players + grab Afobe we will have a great squad - I'd particularly be excited by the young players we would have coming back - Moore, Walsh, Morrell in particular but also a few others doing really well Smith for example. We also have O'Leary back after a great season. We have a lot of players who you would hope would be able to step up into the 1st team or at least compete for a place.

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23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Good post @spudski. Slightly different point, but you sparked it.

Have we reached our peak and are about to go downwards. The expectation,desire is that the play-offs are our destiny, continued progress, etc etc.

But I see signs of a squad being built that is gonna financially drain us, like SOD was left with and we are back to 12/13 and early 13/14 again. The good players moved on for good money, until there are none left, and a squad left of high earners, with little motivation, and certainly little sell-on value.

If our coaching is good enough, perhaps we shouldve been able to continue taking the best young players with the motivation to succeed, just adjust the level of young player as we progressed. Far too simplistic (and probably over-egged) I know, but I fear LJ could leave us in a big mess. Its a bit out of control. Need to rebaseline in the summer before it goes too far.

I've always said under our system we are two step forward, one step back.

This season climaxed in a position of positivity with FFP, but started with selling Webster and having injuries to key players.

It imo, was the season triggered to make our move. The stars aligned so to speak.

We got to within the play offs playing poor football and riding our luck.

We've brought in three players that are considered improvements on our weaknesses to get us in the play offs

Two of which on paper, should, but in reality aren't. Way off top 6 level.

Wells and Afobe with Palmer behind at the beginning of the season...yes. Right now...with Famara and a miss firing midfield...no way.

We are now completely muddled after the January transfer window.

I look at our squad now, the timing of the signings, the experience, the playing time, age and experience and it's the most muddled I've ever seen.

We've literally ticked boxes...on paper, rather than on the pitch.

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11 hours ago, maxjak said:

OK LJ has been unlucky with injuries and players being transferred.........but plenty of other sides have to contend with siimilar problems. Ultimately this is a mess of LJ's own making, with a lack of a system of play, when despite injuries players could be brought in to maintain the same formation, if as he stated he has two players for each position. I really don't have a lot of sympathy for LJ, he has had 4 years and numerous transfer windows, and he still does not know his best formation or team. He constantly refers to identity, but I have absolutely no idea what our's is? We play mundane dull football, and are one of the least exciting teams in the league to watch, which would be acceptable if results were forthcoming? I believe he has done a good job getting us to where we are, but a new impetus is needed, with fresh ideas and input, we have become stale, and I believe come the summer a new management team is required to move us forward.

Pretty much agree with all you say , Ihave watched this club for a long time now , quite a few promotions and seasons where we had exciting seasons ending in near misses, we would all be analysingthe fixtures , working out the points we might get , the points the other teams would drop , the excitement of the crunch games coming up , nail biting moments.

I cannot be the only one that has felt none of thatin the last few months , the largely turgid football even when we get the results has meant there has been no belief that we were going all the way , I think the Gregor piece really sums it up , just dont think this will change with LJ in charge

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2 hours ago, Cov 77 said:

Pretty much agree with all you say , Ihave watched this club for a long time now , quite a few promotions and seasons where we had exciting seasons ending in near misses, we would all be analysingthe fixtures , working out the points we might get , the points the other teams would drop , the excitement of the crunch games coming up , nail biting moments.

I cannot be the only one that has felt none of thatin the last few months , the largely turgid football even when we get the results has meant there has been no belief that we were going all the way , I think the Gregor piece really sums it up , just dont think this will change with LJ in charge

Completely with you there.

The Johnson apologists keep banging on about us being in 7th and only X points of 6th and I left stone cold.

I honestly reckon Ive got more chance of sproutinga spare head than seeing this lot forcing their way into a top 6 finish, so am not gettingeven the remotestfeeling of excitement and just want the season to end now and get it over with.

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Cant say that I agree with the article, it overlooks the basic fact that this so-called talented squad is unbalanced, and in football, its about how the team plays as a unit. The midfield is horribly lightweight, limiting attacking opportunities and offering little cover to the defence. And how can Wells and Fam be certain starters? We had more success playing just one up front, which would have to be Fan based on form and his defensive qualities.
Who knows, we may muddlethrough to the play offs, but the issues are far from as simplistic as this piece suggests.

Just picking up on an earlier comment, I would not rush to sign Afobe, see if there are better options, in terms of value and age. We have done well developing younger players, signing older players on large contracts is not the way forward.

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The article talks about setting up different against a physical team like Millwall to a slick team like Brentford... I totally understand this when playing away, but when at home playing teams that are around us in terms of league position why on earth do we give them the respect that we need to change our team so we can try and counteract their style?

Johnson bangs on about bloody identity when we clearly dont have one. teams should be coming to Ashton Gate and changing their formations to try and stop us playing our game but the problem is.. We dont have a game to play. Its a basic thing you are taught when playing as a kid that a team plays to its strengths, you dont try and play to another teams weaknesses unless they are much better than you.

This just makes me feel that Johnson doesn't believe in his own "identity" for the team. 2 years ago in the Bobby Reid season it didn't matter who we played whether it was Burton Albion or Manchester City we had a game plan and stuck to it. Johnson has spent 3 quarters of this season try to work out a formation and a game plan when this should have been done in the summer.

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14 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Decent read. Reinforces what many on here have said and provides stats to support the facts and asLJ is fond of stats he will know them already.

What particularly intrigued me was the timing of the piece, tbh it could have appeared anytime in the last few weeks. So does it maybe suggest that the largely benign and loyal EPis falling out of love with a LJ?

Gregor must have stayed up in Huddersfield as the morning after he did a live blog chat thing on Facebook I think. I dont know if this was usual from him as I dont normally follow these type of things but I was with my daughter who does. I only caught part of it but it seemed he was raising many of the same points, certainly a where do we go from here type piece.

It does seem a turning point of some sort, but any jurno worth his salt would know after that performance there would be a lot of interest from City fans and a good time to get some clicks or sell a few papers even.

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Not sure why anyone thinks McGregor,s article states anything anyone who reads the forum wouldnt know already.Every stat could have been provided by Davefevs and everything written could have been copy and pasted from here over the last couple of months/ seasons.

Comes back to the Bristol Posts favourite line everything we know , which as we all know is absolutely sod all unless its been nicked from elsewhere online.

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