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Angry Robin

Match day Staff on Zero Hours Contracts

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4 hours ago, RonWalker said:

It's poor from SL, if there isn't something in the works. It would be not even a drop in the ocean for the Lansdowns and as @Bar BS3 says, there's nothing saying he has to do anything but zero-hours contracts already puts the ball in his/AG's court, and as others have said they're not entitled to anything when it all goes south. Why should he? Because he can.

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

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1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said:

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

With respect, I think you're in a bit of a bubble. 

Regardless of whether SL should foot the bill, look around. 

Barnet- Laid off all non footballing staff. 

Hearts- 50% wage cuts for all. I include the players.

Nimes- 16% wage cuts for all staff. Again, includes the players.

A lot of people are making significant sacrifices. Inside and outside football. About time football or footballers did similar.

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19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

With respect, I think you're in a bit of a bubble. 

Regardless of whether SL should foot the bill, look around. 

Barnet- Laid off all non footballing staff. 

Hearts- 50% wage cuts for all. 

Nimes- 16% wage cuts for all staff. 

A lot of people are making significant sacrifices. Inside and outside football. About time football or footballers did similar.

The government (and other governments the world over) do not have the resources to bail out everyone who will need help, so I like to think that there is a moral duty that those in positions of privilege and wealth have to help where they can. I am the complete opposite of a tub-thumping socialist, but there are times when as a society we need to be good to each other. This, clearly, is one such moment and I sincerely hope that those that have feasted from football over the years (whether they be players, owners, associations, TV companies, etc.), can come together and really show that 'the football family' is just that, and that the phrase is not simply a hollow platitude to be wheeled out when it suits.  

In this regard, my respect for Neville opening his hotels for 'the cause' is endless. 

It's not an exaggeration to say that how we deal with the situation will serve to define us as human beings, and I hope that we can hold our heads high once it eventually subsides. Equally, I hope i'm not being too idealistic. 

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1 hour ago, poland_exile said:

The government (and other governments the world over) do not have the resources to bail out everyone who will need help, so I like to think that there is a moral duty that those in positions of privilege and wealth have to help where they can. I am the complete opposite of a tub-thumping socialist, but there are times when as a society we need to be good to each other. This, clearly, is one such moment and I sincerely hope that those that have feasted from football over the years (whether they be players, owners, associations, TV companies, etc.), can come together and really show that 'the football family' is just that, and that the phrase is not simply a hollow platitude to be wheeled out when it suits.  

In this regard, my respect for Neville opening his hotels for 'the cause' is endless. 

It's not an exaggeration to say that how we deal with the situation will serve to define us as human beings, and I hope that we can hold our heads high once it eventually subsides. Equally, I hope i'm not being too idealistic. 

Great post, totally agree. 

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8 hours ago, Bristol Rob said:

There is the 100mil he is planning on spending to create more jobs and the millions to ploughs in to the football and rugby every year so these jobs exist in the first place.

I think he does more than enough.

That’s great news, but is that going to feed people in insecure work who have been left with nothing for the foreseeable future? Would now not be a good time to support them when they most need it?

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11 minutes ago, RonWalker said:

That’s great news, but is that going to feed people in insecure work who have been left with nothing for the foreseeable future? Would now not be a good time to support them when they most need it?

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

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25 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

Sorry Rob - it’s late and I misread. Yes, agreed it’s probably not most people’s sole income, but their other roles are not likely to be the most stable jobs in this climate you’d imagine.

If it’s important and is suddenly lost with everything already going on now for people near the bottom, is it not a drop in the ocean for a club our size with our backing to help?

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49 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

I would be very surprised if the match day staff who have no idea how many games a season will be played (consider cup games are an unknown and form dictates crowd size and need for staff) if most of them had this as their sole source of income.

That isn't to say that it isn't important income.

What you're overlooking however is the prospect that job losses + suspension of this might well=double whammy.

I believe many jobs have been lost- my company has shed 30-35%- maybe more of staff- since the start of last week. Who knows how many of those workers in that position?

Hospitality...this has been decimated within the last week. Catering staff, double whammy.

Footballers and wages...did you know that rugby clubs, unsure how many but PL rugby clubs are asking players to take anything up to a 25% cut to wages?

Indeed, there might even be a clause in SPFL contracts to suspend footballers wages for the lockdown of a duration.

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Now in fairness I assume this means direct employees only, casual I dunno, agency probably not- but fair play!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8151481/Birmingham-stars-AGREE-50-cent-wage-deferral-month-ensure-staff-paid.html

This feeds into both the Birmingham thread and in a sense, this one.

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Oh dear, you don't half spout some shite, @Redwhitepurple

Go and read up on the abuse of zero hour contracts.

NOT suggesting this has happened here but in society more widely.

Apologies was mixing you up with Red My Colour- but I don't apologise for saying you don't half spout some shite.

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