The Gasbuster Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 If there is to be no singing or chanting; then more clubs will endorse those crappy "clapper" things they use at Leicester and Huddersfield 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 What happens when we score then? Surely droplets will come out of your mouth then......or do we have to go all Harry Enfield Arsenal 1920's? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 I went to Weymouth 2wks ago, Weymouth were playing at Wembley in a playoff final and won, there supporters were in a pub on the seafront singing and cheering there team on, which I don't blame them, so what's the difference, how can you stop cheering your team on, that's the pleasure of going to football, no one is going to just sit still & quiet, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 I'm amazed at reading some of these comments, it's like going back a few months with people's understanding of what is safe and what isn't etc I do wonder if people deliberately choose to ignore news around them 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Doesn’t seem like there’s a ban on booing! Not that we’ll need it - hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Hopefully this means no Robins TV commentary as that surely increases the potential droplets. I recommend using the stands as quarantine zones. Children and families in a children's and families enclosure as children are mixing anyway so their parents are all high risk. Singing section for people who agree to put themselves at that risk. Dolman moaners section for people who agree only to moan and not sing or clap. Isolated corporate boxes for the elderly/high risk people. At some point this becomes silly. Like can we shout if we wear a mask? Can we speak at the ground? Can we cheer? Having a steward come over and throw you out would endanger them and you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 This shouldn’t be too difficult to implement at Ashton Gate. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Prinny said: Hopefully this means no Robins TV commentary as that surely increases the potential droplets. I recommend using the stands as quarantine zones. Children and families in a children's and families enclosure as children are mixing anyway so their parents are all high risk. Singing section for people who agree to put themselves at that risk. Dolman moaners section for people who agree only to moan and not sing or clap. Isolated corporate boxes for the elderly/high risk people. At some point this becomes silly. Like can we shout if we wear a mask? Can we speak at the ground? Can we cheer? Having a steward come over and throw you out would endanger them and you. Got to remember professional sport is only being allowed to return under strict circumstances as it is. Have to wonder whether twice weekly testing will continue when amateur sport is allowed to return though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slartibartfast Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 PATHETIC, that's me done ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 This is madness. It's either safe to fill a stadium and vocally support your team or it isn't. In my view, it is not currently safe and probably won't be until we either have a vaccine or achieve herd immunity. I miss it like everyone else does, but it's not worth dying for. CTID 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinny Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: Got to remember professional sport is only being allowed to return under strict circumstances as it is. Have to wonder whether twice weekly testing will continue when amateur sport is allowed to return though. It's the sanity of the rules and the degree of acceptable risk. It's more dangerous to have the fans than not. So if it's really about safety then you just don't have them. This potential code is about money and the PR of safety, not actual safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: This shouldn’t be too difficult to implement at Ashton Gate. Going by the last few years .. Good thing at the gate though you won't have to shout over the tannoy Edited August 14, 2020 by Street red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lerring Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 The lansdown stand has been in training for this moment for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbie Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Surely making face masks mandatory while within the stadium would make more sense? Tough to police but much easier than trying to keep everyone silent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: This is madness. It's either safe to fill a stadium and vocally support your team or it isn't. In my view, it is not currently safe and probably won't be until we either have a vaccine or achieve herd immunity. I miss it like everyone else does, but it's not worth dying for. CTID No offence, but are you aware of how life has been slowly getting back to normal? Your statement above is very sensationalistic and medically proven that people can be around each other with the right measure in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, phantom said: No offence, but are you aware of how life has been slowly getting back to normal? Your statement above is very sensationalistic and medically proven that people can be around each other with the right measure in place Well, how come then Germany, that is and has been generally doing better than us with Covid, has put the kibosh on fans returning as planned? Are we less at risk here then? That said those plans give me some grounds for cautious optimism but I'm wondering if the Science fully justifies it. Edited August 14, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: So how come then Germany, that is and has been generally doing better than us with Covid, has put the kibosh on fans returning as planned? Are we less at risk here then? For every Germany I could quote you a Hungary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, phantom said: For every Germany I could quote you a Hungary Fair. Would have to look up on Hungary and their R-rate etc- maybe they've done better still! I wonder how well the Science justifies it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Fair. Would have to look up on Hungary and their R-rate etc- maybe they've done better still! I wonder how well the Science justifies it though. I guess it's just a classic example of how each countries government handle the situation 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 14, 2020 Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, phantom said: No offence, but are you aware of how life has been slowly getting back to normal? Your statement above is very sensationalistic and medically proven that people can be around each other with the right measure in place With respect, that response is patronising and dismissive. I'm sure Wendy is quite well aware, as we all are, but she makes a perfectly valid point and I would not call it sensationalist at all. Moreover, very little about Covid19 is "medically proven", as you put it. There is the scientific advice, which varies from expert to expert and is revised and refined as more research is done and more data becomes available. Much of it is good advice, but ultimately it is scientific opinion, not scientific fact. Safety in this context is a relative concept. Nowhere and nothing is completely safe at this stage in the pandemic - as localised surges in infections and the reintroduction of measures that had earlier been relaxed clearly demonstrates. And that's before you even get to the vexed subject of compliance. Some sections of the great British public have not exactly covered themselves in glory, as Bournemouth residents could readily confirm. I will take some convincing that it's possible to re-open stadiums with a degree of safety that would be acceptable to most people. And in the face of what looks disturbingly like complacency, Wendy is quite right, in my view, to remind us that this horrible and really very dangerous disease is potentially lethal, as the best part of 50,000 UK citizens have sadly discovered to their cost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted August 14, 2020 Admin Report Share Posted August 14, 2020 1 hour ago, CliftonCliff said: With respect, that response is patronising and dismissive. I'm sure Wendy is quite well aware, as we all are, but she makes a perfectly valid point and I would not call it sensationalist at all. Moreover, very little about Covid19 is "medically proven", as you put it. There is the scientific advice, which varies from expert to expert and is revised and refined as more research is done and more data becomes available. Much of it is good advice, but ultimately it is scientific opinion, not scientific fact. Safety in this context is a relative concept. Nowhere and nothing is completely safe at this stage in the pandemic - as localised surges in infections and the reintroduction of measures that had earlier been relaxed clearly demonstrates. And that's before you even get to the vexed subject of compliance. Some sections of the great British public have not exactly covered themselves in glory, as Bournemouth residents could readily confirm. I will take some convincing that it's possible to re-open stadiums with a degree of safety that would be acceptable to most people. And in the face of what looks disturbingly like complacency, Wendy is quite right, in my view, to remind us that this horrible and really very dangerous disease is potentially lethal, as the best part of 50,000 UK citizens have sadly discovered to their cost. Fair point, and I am aware that in the past I have been told my posts come across in a way I never intended Without us all diverting off topic, there is a good thread here debating the virus etc, I want to finish by saying I really do understand peoples concerns. But I work in the medical industry and have been heavilly involved in getting thousands of staff back into hundreds of sites around the country so am probably looking at things in a different light 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 No mention of a membership scheme for the upcoming season. With crowds likely to be restricted to less than the number of season ticket holders, it would seem fairly pointless - but then again, if full crowds resume in 2021 it would still be nice to have some sort of priority ahead of the general punter. Plus the membership scheme did offer a few other benefits such as shop discount. Perhaps a token £5 membership fee might be a good idea? Anyone heard anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 15, 2020 Report Share Posted August 15, 2020 So for a test event the snooker at the crucible is allowed 30% capacity indoor with minimal social distance (ie row infront just off to the side being used) and no masks worn, whereas football outdoor will seemingly be allowed 20% capacity, very strict distancing and masks to be worn...... okay then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 If I have to get there 3hrs before kick off count me out. I`d have to leave home about 8 o`clock. I suspect a season of Robins TV awaits for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2020 Report Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) @Lrrr Don't think snooker crowds are so passionate- it's small small numbers there also. Should be masks however at Crucible! Droplets possibly less likely at snooker? https://theathletic.co.uk/1996223/2020/08/16/return-fans-coronavirus-project-restart/ Behind a paywall BUT saw it on another forum so with credit to that forum, the relevant bit of the post (not the article) copied and pasted. A lot of this has been steadily leaking out already, some points are augmented into initial plans and one or two are new. Quote Probably no non-season ticket holders. Known. Quote Probably no away fans. Known. Quote Probably no food and drink New! However in line with my thoughts on one type of drink in particular. Quote One-way systems and perspex screens in toilets. Mix of known and new. Quote Additional portaloos Seen in one or two places but newish. Quote Max of 30% capacities, but toilet capacity and concourse width may mean as low as 20% at even some Premier League grounds Broadly known, but adds some detail. Quote At least a metre between groups of fans. Broadly expected? Bit more detail though. Quote Maximum of 6 fans together, from 2 different households Known, broadly. Quote Assigned arrival times for fans Not surprising- been mooted for some time. Quote Ballots and loyalty point calculation for season ticket holders who may get to only half the games with refunds for games not attended Not been spoken about that much in the buildup but bits of it certainly. Quote Fans may not be in usual block, let alone seat Makes sense. Quote Temperature checks on arrival Been mooted but how clearly defined it's been...? Quote Mandatory masks Makes a degree of sense- would knock the idea of alcohol in seats on the head. If I was to sum it up in one word? Grim! The bit doesn't make sense to me is how masks to prevent spread of droplets are consistent with alcohol in seats- do you take your masks off in the seats or? This is in terms of consistency. Edited August 16, 2020 by Mr Popodopolous 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 The obvious problem with mandatory masks is that they will negate atmosphere as they muffle noise. I've even seen it suggested that no singing or chanting will be allowed. Not sure therefore if the players will notice the difference between real people and cardboard crowdies. If attendance is allowed as a ST holder I'd have no problem with a ballot to determine whether I could go, and being assigned a seat for the gane if successful. Its certainly fairer than a discriminatory determination by age, risk etc without recourse to asking my views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 It's bad enough wearing a mask in a shop for 10 mins, especially for many like me that wear glasses! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 15 minutes ago, Super said: It's bad enough wearing a mask in a shop for 10 mins, especially for many like me that wear glasses! Was about to say the same. How people are expected to wear one for 90 minutes or more. I found it a problem after 10 minutes on the bus and five minutes in the shop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted August 17, 2020 Report Share Posted August 17, 2020 If it’s a condition of attendance then I’d wear a mask for 90 mins, I’ll get used to it. It’s not the 12 hour shifts that NHS workers have been wearing them for. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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