Akira Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, TomThumb84 said: Can someone explain to me when it became such a heinous act for a fan of the club to express their opinion? No doubt whoever did this pays towards the running of this football club, and therefore has a right to express their sentiment? From what I can see here no one was hurt, and there isn’t any offensive language used. Why is this therefore a basis for scorn? If anything, whether I agree with the message or not, the passion and expression should be respected no? Why do we accept statements like this from “big” clubs who excerpt their will or view but don’t like it here? Football is about passion, opinion and emotion in my opinion, and at this possibly crucial time for the club, I don’t think it’s a bad thing for the supporters to express themselves and their views within acceptable limits. Ran out of likes, but totally agree. There's a few fans on here that look down their nose upon those who dare tk express their dissatisfaction with the club that they love. Only way of letting the board know that fans are unhappy, is by making signs. Voices can't be heard in the ground anytime soon, so I say fair play, and actually hope for more signs. The way the club is set up is holding us back massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 This isn't exactly a good omen. The Holden brand to be discontinued... https://uk.motor1.com/news/399170/holden-to-be-axed-australia/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordofthebling Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Is it wrong that I can't WAIT for Ashton's black background, cross legged, new manager search, 45 minute special on BCTV? I can hear it now... MA INTERVIEW BINGO Due dilligence Extensive process No stone unturned Good shape Exciting Future Delighted Detailed Candidates Contender Promotion Agile Customer journey Moving forward Next level Reach out Aligned Bottom line At the end of the day Value Holistic Culture All of those guaranteed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinkadink Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: This isn't exactly a good omen. The Holden brand to be discontinued... https://uk.motor1.com/news/399170/holden-to-be-axed-australia/ Off topic but that's a huge shame, love Commodore, Ute and old Torana. Wish we had them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirlieBeachRed Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, Rinkadink said: Off topic but that's a huge shame, love Commodore, Ute and old Torana. Wish we had them here. Ive had a few commodores. Vc Vn Vp but i never had a torana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Harry said: I think Holden will do well. At Oldham. I wish him all the best. 2 hours ago, Lrrr said: Whats more likely City fans buying Covid as the cause behind Holden General population buying the Tory excuses that Covid is why Brexit will be a massive failure The govt are blaming covid for Brexit failure? I have not read that one anywhere! If your suggesting that's what they will say I'll wager a chunk of cash with you they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 The only way this timeline works is if we announce Stevie G. Fair to say Rangers were not going to get passed Bayer L, and we were waiting until this was resolved. Stevie G on a pre contact. He leaves Rangers and DH is to take pre - season against his wishes. ..... Well if we are going to widely speculate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Well.. I will not hammer SL until the decision is made... Not conducive to my well being throwing insults BCFC's way until it's official. I remain hopeful SL will make the correct decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 I wrote this in the Everton thread but it probably deserves to reside here if you read beyond the first paragraph. Ancelotti is an interesting example. I may have the wrong club but I recall reading his departure from Inter was met with significant relief due to his high spending and boring tactics. I have heard the same criticism levelled at Hughton. I have said I would take boring football for a while to get us properly challenging because let's face it we have only really flirted with the playoffs during LJ's tenure only to end up as powder puffs. To imagine Holden would do any better is frankly laughable. The one quality he lacks without any hint of controversy is gravitas. Hughton has it. Especially young players are hugely motivated by characters they can look up to. To suggest SL does not get this or is contemplating turning his back on perhaps the one missing attribute of Johnson would be unfathomable. This is absolutely nothing to do with Covid19 and budgetary restraints. If that is the yarn we will be fed all we have to do is remind everybody of the disparity in prize money between the two divisions... 3 million and 120 million per season... 4 full seasons, effectively, of Lee Johnson is close to a half billion loss of revenue. With Steve's financial services background he knows this better than anyone. So it is not exaggeration, at all, to then say it is suicidal to employ a novice. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 33 minutes ago, havanatopia said: I wrote this in the Everton thread but it probably deserves to reside here if you read beyond the first paragraph. Ancelotti is an interesting example. I may have the wrong club but I recall reading his departure from Inter was met with significant relief due to his high spending and boring tactics. I have heard the same criticism levelled at Hughton. I have said I would take boring football for a while to get us properly challenging because let's face it we have only really flirted with the playoffs during LJ's tenure only to end up as powder puffs. To imagine Holden would do any better is frankly laughable. The one quality he lacks without any hint of controversy is gravitas. Hughton has it. Especially young players are hugely motivated by characters they can look up to. To suggest SL does not get this or is contemplating turning his back on perhaps the one missing attribute of Johnson would be unfathomable. This is absolutely nothing to do with Covid19 and budgetary restraints. If that is the yarn we will be fed all we have to do is remind everybody of the disparity in prize money between the two divisions... 3 million and 120 million per season... 4 full seasons, effectively, of Lee Johnson is close to a half billion loss of revenue. With Steve's financial services background he knows this better than anyone. So it is not exaggeration, at all, to then say it is suicidal to employ a novice. End of story. Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Never going to be top 6, never in a relegation fight, never going to win a cup and forever in there neighbours shadow, great fans though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, Galway Red said: Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Never going to be top 6, never in a relegation fight, never going to win a cup and forever in there neighbours shadow, great fans though I’m not sure that’s strictly true, they have won the league 9 times, last 86/87 which was only a couple of years longer ago than Liverpool last won the league until this season. They have a great new stadium on the horizon, successful new manager in Ancellotti. Yes in the Prem era it’s not done much but arguably nor have Liverpool compared to the 80’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Journalist Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 12 minutes ago, Galway Red said: Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Never going to be top 6, never in a relegation fight, never going to win a cup and forever in there neighbours shadow, great fans though Wish we were as pointless as Everton. We’ve done absolutely nothing in 125 years of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WayOutWest Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 22 minutes ago, Galway Red said: Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Yes. Moron FC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, Galway Red said: Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Never going to be top 6, never in a relegation fight, never going to win a cup and forever in there neighbours shadow, great fans though None of that is correct apart from the great fans bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, weepywall said: None of that is correct apart from the great fans bit. It's all correct according to a couple of Everton fans I know, I do see their point, zero chance of top 6 & very unlikely to have the excitement of a relegation battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 58 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said: I’m not sure that’s strictly true, they have won the league 9 times, last 86/87 which was only a couple of years longer ago than Liverpool last won the league until this season. They have a great new stadium on the horizon, successful new manager in Ancellotti. Yes in the Prem era it’s not done much but arguably nor have Liverpool compared to the 80’s. 86/87 was nearly 35 years ago, in fairness I do seem to remember them winning the Cup about 25 years ago, 1-0 against Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galway Red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 56 minutes ago, The Journalist said: Wish we were as pointless as Everton. We’ve done absolutely nothing in 125 years of history. Pointless was probably the wrong word, I was trying to quote a couple of Evertonians I met recently who were totally cheesed off particularly when they see the likes ofLeicester, Wolves & Sheff Utd leap-frog them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Galway Red said: Is there a more pointless club than Everton? Never going to be top 6, never in a relegation fight, never going to win a cup and forever in there neighbours shadow, great fans though Which is why they bought in a world class manager in the hope to break out . It may not work but at least their fans can see the desire and are right behind the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Lordofthebling said: Is it wrong that I can't WAIT for Ashton's black background, cross legged, new manager search, 45 minute special on BCTV? I can hear it now... MA INTERVIEW BINGO Due dilligence Extensive process No stone unturned Good shape Exciting Future Delighted Detailed Candidates Contender Promotion Agile Customer journey Moving forward Next level Reach out Aligned Bottom line At the end of the day Value Holistic Culture All of those guaranteed... The blokes a f****** robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soultrader Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 6 hours ago, ollywhyte said: You literally can't look at those three names and comprehend they could be our management trio in the Championship. It's insane! Managing a side who are about to move into a multi million pound luxury training ground and play at one of the best stadiums in the Championship. The infrastructure in place of a Premier League club. Would you like a Premier League proven manager to go with that? Nah you're alright mate, we got Dean Holden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 40 minutes ago, Galway Red said: 86/87 was nearly 35 years ago, in fairness I do seem to remember them winning the Cup about 25 years ago, 1-0 against Utd? I was at Wembley in 66 as a Sheff Wed supporter v Everton, I remember that day as it is etched on my memory, 2-0 up, lost 3-2 and that night my ( and @CyderInACan and @SuperDziek ) granddad passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Harry said: I think Holden will do well. And I think the vast majority of us hope your thinking is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Smokey said: Im in I’m also in. I’ve had enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastonboy Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Is anyone else getting the feeling that this is a clever rouse by the club and the 5 week delay is so that Mark Ashton has time to do his badges and be announced as the new Manager? (Tongue in cheek alert) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbird1 Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 On 04/08/2020 at 14:13, Redrascal2 said: I do not understand what you mean by reward loyalty. It's quite a straight forward statement. What don't you understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Constant Rabbit Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 9 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Which stage of grief will I start finding this funny? Next tine you are working with LJ and trying to console the poor bastard over a pint whilst he is rocking back and forward sucking his thumb muttering "Holden,McAllister,Williams" over and over again. LJ has been royally screwed-over here. Those 3 either agreed with him, or didn't and said nothing. There's a word for those 3 - ask LJ what it is, Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 7 hours ago, collier said: Please, I have heard this crap so often now. No, if we wanted to just hang around the division forever then yes just employ DH. We have 90% of the pieces in place to be a top 6 side. We need a manager to accompany these pieces. This is why they can get away with even entertaining the thought of employing a nobody who hasn't managed 10 ******* games!! We have fans who will accept whatever shite is thrown at them. We have been towing the line with LJ for years and getting mid table finishes and seeing young players come through. We even saw some good attacking football for a while but after all that look where we are. In the same place we started with people willing to accept mediocrity again. Get a decent experienced manager in to compliment the decent squad we have here now, maybe a bigger name than LJ can get our better player who are on the fence about leaving to stay, WTF is DH going to be able to offer in coaching ability to better the players we have here. He has been here through half of the shite we been seeing lately. The players can't have any respect for him as a manager as he has never ever been one ffs!! What, apart from Oldham? And one thing I do know is that the players have got an awful lot of respect for Holden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Galway Red said: 86/87 was nearly 35 years ago, in fairness I do seem to remember them winning the Cup about 25 years ago, 1-0 against Utd? Good maths! Remind me how long ago Liverpool won the league before this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: What, apart from Oldham? And one thing I do know is that the players have got an awful lot of respect for Holden... As a manager? Or as a person/friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daored Posted August 7, 2020 Report Share Posted August 7, 2020 Just now, SX227 said: Next tine you are working with LJ and trying to console the poor bastard over a pint whilst he is rocking back and forward sucking his thumb muttering "Holden,McAllister,Williams" over and over again. LJ has been royally screwed-over here. Those 3 either agreed with him, or didn't and said nothing. There's a word for those 3 - ask LJ what it is, Will. Would b interesting in LJ’s thoughts about all this. I’ve said this on another post but as a coach how many of our players have actually improved under this coaching set up. The style of football this season and last has been poor and Holden has been apart of that. I think most would accept the appointment if we’d been playing good football and can see improvement in players but there’s no evidence of that being the case. Surely an appointment today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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