Sheltons Army Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, JungleJim said: I read it in the transfer section on app, where it just credits ‘the athletic uk staff’ Not me criticising, Its Joe Williams. Allegedly Thanks for posting - interesting Hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Street red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, JungleJim said: Just read in the athletic that apparently there is some tension between Williams and the club over the treatment he’s received “Holden is currently without ten first-team players, including Joe Williams and Liam Walsh who Holden would select in midfield alongside Nagy. Williams has a thigh injury which has kept the £1.2 million September signing from Wigan out all season and it is understood there is tension between the player and the medical staff regarding the treatment he has received.” Something's not right it's a hard season for any club but the injury situation isn't just this season for us, Regards to Williams I will take bets he doesn't play for us at any point all very odd would a thigh injury keep you out this long ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Street red said: Something's not right it's a hard season for any club but the injury situation isn't just this season for us, Regards to Williams I will take bets he doesn't play for us at any point all very odd would a thigh injury keep you out this long ? Because he isn't getting the right treatment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 27 minutes ago, JungleJim said: I read it in the transfer section on app, where it just credits ‘the athletic uk staff’ Not me criticising, Its Joe Williams. Allegedly Thanks, I wondered as often the athletic have writers who specifically write about 1 club, doesn't seem to be the case here, is their transfer section any more truthful then BBC or a newspapers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungleJim Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Thanks, I wondered as often the athletic have writers who specifically write about 1 club, doesn't seem to be the case here, is their transfer section any more truthful then BBC or a newspapers? They do for premier league teams and a selected few championship clubs (from memory Wayne Rooneys derby county have one) but not city. To be honest I never really read that section and I can’t remember how I even ended up there this morning but they mainly seem to talk about done deals but then chucked in a bit of juicy gossip about JW (plus mentioning the AN to Russia and FD to Boro rumours). So don’t know how reliable it is, but equally I can’t remember reading something like that about any other club. No smoke without fire perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Thanks, I wondered as often the athletic have writers who specifically write about 1 club, doesn't seem to be the case here, is their transfer section any more truthful then BBC or a newspapers? They have 1 writer per club where its worth it and we are probably quite high on the list of not worth it. I think they cover big championship clubs like Norwich, Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Derby, Forest ect - basically clubs where they know they can get the revenue to cover the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 37 minutes ago, Street red said: Something's not right it's a hard season for any club but the injury situation isn't just this season for us, Regards to Williams I will take bets he doesn't play for us at any point all very odd would a thigh injury keep you out this long ? Minor point, it was stated last week by DH that he picked up a hamstring injury whilst undertaking rehab for the thigh injury....so I’m assuming thigh is now ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: Because he isn't getting the right treatment? Probably treating the wrong thigh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 I think I know the answer to this but going to ask anyway, presumably City and the Bears have different medical teams? If so, worth sending Joe (and others with long term problematic injuries) to the Bears med team for assessment....and a 2nd opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamboBCFC Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, BanburyRed said: I think I know the answer to this but going to ask anyway, presumably City and the Bears have different medical teams? If so, worth sending Joe (and others with long term problematic injuries) to the Bears med team for assessment....and a 2nd opinion? Given the nature of the two sports, it's frankly ridiculous that the Bears are missing about 5/6 players all due back in the near future when compared to the injury list at city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, Pezo said: They have 1 writer per club where its worth it and we are probably quite high on the list of not worth it. I think they cover big championship clubs like Norwich, Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Derby, Forest ect - basically clubs where they know they can get the revenue to cover the cost. Yeah the point was whether the person was someone who could be linked to writing about city a good amount or something posted by someone where it’s could be 5th hand Chinese whispers they’ve stuck online. The fact no one puts a name to the rumour doesn’t say much for it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Minor point, it was stated last week by DH that he picked up a hamstring injury whilst undertaking rehab for the thigh injury....so I’m assuming thigh is now ok. Well, that warrants a thigh-five ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: Yeah the point was whether the person was someone who could be linked to writing about city a good amount or something posted by someone where it’s could be 5th hand Chinese whispers they’ve stuck online. The fact no one puts a name to the rumour doesn’t say much for it IMO. I agree, it's not to be ignored but not something to be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Williams and Walsh not happy? Looks like young Scousers just don't like being down here for some reason. Or is it because Holden is a Manc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Did Gary O'Neil have issues with the way his treatment went down here? Medical staff have probably changed since then, but just trying to remember if I saw that mentioned in the media at some point. A quick google didn't come up with anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Did Gary O'Neil have issues with the way his treatment went down here? Medical staff have probably changed since then, but just trying to remember if I saw that mentioned in the media at some point. A quick google didn't come up with anything. Yes, although I don’t think it was a dig per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: Yes, although I don’t think it was a dig per se. @Olésarcasm in that post has cracked me up. But yeah that must be what I was thinking about, cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Did Gary O'Neil have issues with the way his treatment went down here? Medical staff have probably changed since then, but just trying to remember if I saw that mentioned in the media at some point. A quick google didn't come up with anything. Steve brooker also tried to sue the club after continuous mis-diagnosis over injuries that basically ended his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: @Olésarcasm in that post has cracked me up. But yeah that must be what I was thinking about, cheers. Looks ‘Orrible though doesn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Poor medical advice is nothing new. Way back in the 70s Paul Cheesley was told to run up and down the terraces to help him recover from his knee injury. Months later, when the club eventually sent him to see a specialist, he was told that was the worst thing he could have done. It was the end of his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Wouldn’t be surprised as Williams said he thought he’d be back for Barnsley away now we are told likely to be out until end of season. Expect he’s fuming! It’s like we find out Pato having an operation that will keep him out for a further 4 weeks. He’s been out for weeks now so why wasn’t this diagnosed at the start as he’d be back playing now, so mis diagnosis seems to be a theme looking at comments from O’Neil. Every injury always seem long term and why can’t we just get strains or pulls that put them out for 2/3 weeks? Something from sports science to physios and conditioning must be wrong as too many now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, Bazooka Joe said: Williams and Walsh not happy? Looks like young Scousers just don't like being down here for some reason. Or is it because Holden is a Manc? Doubt it, Walsh and Williams go back a long way and if Walsh was unhappy here, or with DH, Williams would have been aware before signing. Hard to believe he wouldn't have sounded Walsh out about City before committing himself. They have apparently known each other since the age of 8/9 ( think Bobby & Joe) and would no doubt have played together at youth levels for Everton, where Walsh captained their u.23's to the PL2 title, and presumably the 2 of them were looking forward to re-establishing their midfield partnership here. On paper at least these 2 playing together would be perfect for us imo. and both of them coming from Liverpool, and knowing each other, should have been an extra bonus in ensuring Williams settled into the club and the area. Could it be they're pissed off because they're been injured for so long with no real date set for their return? That would hardly be surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, pongo88 said: Poor medical advice is nothing new. Way back in the 70s Paul Cheesley was told to run up and down the terraces to help him recover from his knee injury. Months later, when the club eventually sent him to see a specialist, he was told that was the worst thing he could have done. It was the end of his career Cheese was a disaster and would certainly get different treatment now but the previous season we got promoted with a squad of about 16, many playing all or most of the games, and he is the only major injury I remember over 2 seasons. We've got 11 players out at the moment, most of them longish term. We'd never have got promoted with so many first team players out in 75/76, in fact more likely we'd have been relegated! I know players sometimes played on with injections in those days but all the same, the number of serious injuries we get, and the recovery rate, these days is mystifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Pezo said: They have 1 writer per club where its worth it and we are probably quite high on the list of not worth it. I think they cover big championship clubs like Norwich, Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough, Derby, Forest ect - basically clubs where they know they can get the revenue to cover the cost. Yeah, and in most of those cases they've simply poached the guy who was covering them for their local paper. So the only way we'll get a dedicated reporter is probably if they fancy chucking a few quid in Gregor's direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 36 minutes ago, petehinton said: Steve brooker also tried to sue the club after continuous mis-diagnosis over injuries that basically ended his career Largely down to the unqualified physio at the time.......... Shame really as Brooker was a very decent striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 Well Proctor and Rolls are pretty new, been here since 2018. Rolls came from Arsenal, Proctor Oxford United. Gill O'Shea/Holt has been here 20 years. Jonathan Williams is club doctor of City, Bears and Glos CCC. Patrick Orme is head of fitness/conditioning. Came from Liverpool 1st team 4 years ago. Take your pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 15 minutes ago, markcarter said: It’s pretty obvious that something very odd indeed has been going on with Williams. Last time we heard from him was on Robins TV saying he would be back for the next match and that was several months ago. The fact that he hasn’t been used on Robins TV since is a clear indication that relations are strained and the club don’t want to risk him being open and honest publicly. He’s a good talker and it’s standard to use injured players in these roles for a number of reasons. Looking increasingly likely he’ll never play for us. And that we will never be given an explanation. Terrible lack of communications from the club. What is this based on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: Well Proctor and Rolls are pretty new, been here since 2018. Rolls came from Arsenal, Proctor Oxford United. Gill O'Shea/Holt has been here 20 years. Jonathan Williams is club doctor of City, Bears and Glos CCC. Patrick Orme is head of fitness/conditioning. Came from Liverpool 1st team 4 years ago. Take your pick! Is Jonathan Williams still involved at City? The Glos website suggests he's left: "worked with Bristol City FC from 2013 until the end the 2020 season" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 3 hours ago, JungleJim said: Just read in the athletic that apparently there is some tension between Williams and the club over the treatment he’s received “Holden is currently without ten first-team players, including Joe Williams and Liam Walsh who Holden would select in midfield alongside Nagy. Williams has a thigh injury which has kept the £1.2 million September signing from Wigan out all season and it is understood there is tension between the player and the medical staff regarding the treatment he has received.” Which article? I can’t find anything in The Athletic? Found it: wrapped up inside a transfer update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 wonder how much commission the doctors get for submitting players for surgery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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