Dr Balls Posted February 8, 2021 Report Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 hours ago, LoyalRed said: I feel like I am being generous here but ignoring the cup game, win/lose or draw this is how I can see the next games going, 4 points from a possible 12 (will that be enough to keep him in a job). Watford v BC - Defeat BC v Reading - Draw BC v Barnsley - Win Boro v BC - Defeat I can easily see us losing all 4 of those games. All of them are playing better than us. But would 12 defeats in 15 games be enough for SL to make a change? However for as long as we keep the current club structure, where MA is in charge of pretty much everything, and he remains in post, a new Head Coach is as much use as rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 13 hours ago, grifty said: Oh good, I've been waiting for this topic to come up on here. Been surprised no-one has mentioned it before. The subject is that Dean Holden has admitted publicly that he is a novice. Did he say this at his interview ? Did Uncle Steve believe that putting a novice coach in charge was the key to achieving his stated goal of Prem football ? Are We being lied to ? I am aware of the debate over DH’s qualifications for the job but I believe this is the first time that he has publicly expressed a doubt over his own capability . It makes me think of the John Ward moment when he expressed ,in the media, that he needed help because he didn’t know what else to do. We all know how that turned out. I am a bit disappointed that the mods saw fit to merge my thread into the ‘ Sack him ‘ thread as I feel it offered a different angle to our situation and not just an outburst of anger after yet another disappointing performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 46 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: The subject is that Dean Holden has admitted publicly that he is a novice. Did he say this at his interview ? Did Uncle Steve believe that putting a novice coach in charge was the key to achieving his stated goal of Prem football ? Are We being lied to ? I am aware of the debate over DH’s qualifications for the job but I believe this is the first time that he has publicly expressed a doubt over his own capability . It makes me think of the John Ward moment when he expressed ,in the media, that he needed help because he didn’t know what else to do. We all know how that turned out. I am a bit disappointed that the mods saw fit to merge my thread into the ‘ Sack him ‘ thread as I feel it offered a different angle to our situation and not just an outburst of anger after yet another disappointing performance. Well of course he’s a novice: he’s only been Head Coach for half a season. Nothing terribly surprising in that. But he’s been coaching for several years, so in that sense he is not a novice. The club acknowledged that in bringing in Simpson and Downing, two experienced coaches. I haven’t heard anything to suggest that, like Ward, he has asked for extra help. Look, all this ‘are we being lied to’ stuff is such nonsense. The club appointed Holden, Simpson and Downing and were clear why they were doing it. I assume the pandemic was a major factor in deciding that this season was not the right time for a rebuild, so the club took a punt. At the moment it has had mixed results: we’re six points off the play-offs and in the fifth round of the FACup - so we can hardly say it’s been unsuccessful, but not as successful as the club would have wanted. Can’t we just move on from there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Well of course he’s a novice: he’s only been Head Coach for half a season. Nothing terribly surprising in that. But he’s been coaching for several years, so in that sense he is not a novice. The club acknowledged that in bringing in Simpson and Downing, two experienced coaches. I haven’t heard anything to suggest that, like Ward, he has asked for extra help. Look, all this ‘are we being lied to’ stuff is such nonsense. The club appointed Holden, Simpson and Downing and were clear why they were doing it. I assume the pandemic was a major factor in deciding that this season was not the right time for a rebuild, so the club took a punt. At the moment it has had mixed results: we’re six points off the play-offs and in the fifth round of the FACup - so we can hardly say it’s been unsuccessful, but not as successful as the club would have wanted. Can’t we just move on from there? Yep. It’s like some want to change history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 12 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Well of course he’s a novice: he’s only been Head Coach for half a season. Nothing terribly surprising in that. But he’s been coaching for several years, so in that sense he is not a novice. The club acknowledged that in bringing in Simpson and Downing, two experienced coaches. I haven’t heard anything to suggest that, like Ward, he has asked for extra help. Look, all this ‘are we being lied to’ stuff is such nonsense. The club appointed Holden, Simpson and Downing and were clear why they were doing it. I assume the pandemic was a major factor in deciding that this season was not the right time for a rebuild, so the club took a punt. At the moment it has had mixed results: we’re six points off the play-offs and in the fifth round of the FACup - so we can hardly say it’s been unsuccessful, but not as successful as the club would have wanted. Can’t we just move on from there? Sorry but Holden, Simpson and Downing didn’t come as a package per se. MA & JL appointed Deano and then he was left scrabbling around at the last minute for coaches to help him, as he had got rid of McAllister. There was no evidence of a grand plan. This has cock-up written all over it. Principles (the club set up) over pragmatism - appoint the best man with the most experience and let him get on with it. But no we go for the cheap “Yes Man” novice appointment because no boats will be rocked. Only holed below the waterline and sinking fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 9, 2021 Report Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Dr Balls said: Sorry but Holden, Simpson and Downing didn’t come as a package per se. MA & JL appointed Deano and then he was left scrabbling around at the last minute for coaches to help him, as he had got rid of McAllister. There was no evidence of a grand plan. This has cock-up written all over it. Principles (the club set up) over pragmatism - appoint the best man with the most experience and let him get on with it. But no we go for the cheap “Yes Man” novice appointment because no boats will be rocked. Only holed below the waterline and sinking fast! amusing re your username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 So, Tisdale departs the gas after a dismal run of results. However if you check out the form guide over the last 15 games, the gas have only got 3 less points than is during that period (City 15, Rovers 12). DH can count himself very lucky he had that first honeymoon month of the season. Because without it, we would be in the bottom three in the division; and the clamour for change would be even louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Do we pull the trigger now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dREDful Posted February 10, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 If only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Holden ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 On 30/01/2021 at 23:56, Atticus said: Baker, Wells and Fam are imo also. It’s a squad capable of the playoffs, min top ten finish and with a bit of luck automatic. We are just not playing to the players strengths or playing a system where by ones form or injury is a problem a player can step in. It’s tinker bell tactics. Injury’s are a poor Managers excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Also I’m very surprised by the tactics when the two men who arrived from the FA, as I thought they would keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Thinking might be best to sack Holden after the Watford defeat on Saturday. Next 2 games at home then - usually get a reaction in those circumstances that might just help us for those games!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Awful again. No excuses for that performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Gotta go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristol red Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Paul Tisdale is available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, bristol red said: Paul Tisdale is available... Should of never got rid of Cotts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, Scrumpylegs said: Do we pull the trigger now then? If we don't take 4 points from the next two games (which we wont) then I can't see him being here this time next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Bring back. Danny Wilson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStand Sandwich Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: If we don't take 4 points from the next two games (which we wont) then I can't see him being here this time next week. Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superjack Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: If we don't take 4 points from the next two games (which we wont) then I can't see him being here this time next week. Of course he will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Aaron Wilbraham will save us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 No chance will Holden be getting sacked this season. No chance whatsoever ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 34 minutes ago, ziderheadarmy said: No chance will Holden be getting sacked this season. No chance whatsoever ! Don’t be so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 With the fixtures we have for the rest of the month, the way we’ve been playing I wouldn’t be totally shocked if he was removed of his duties in March. Here’s hoping it doesn’t come to that and we hit some form tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziderarmy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: Don’t be so sure @Loosey BoyBased on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 He won't be sacked this season as he was appointed for this season due to Covid. His role is to make sure when we get through it we are still in championship. 10 more points and it will be job done and then the real stuff can start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Alex_BCFC said: He won't be sacked this season as he was appointed for this season due to Covid. His role is to make sure when we get through it we are still in championship. 10 more points and it will be job done and then the real stuff can start again. You’ve claimed this numerous times I assume this is just your opinion , although you repeat it as some sort of ITK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardy Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 I think they will try to give Holden the season out of respect to a rookie. However if we do slip into the bottom 4 or 5 panic stations may commence early. There maybe be something in the rumour about Season Tickets not being put on sale until the summer and the introduction of a new Head Coach may be the catalyst they need to sell decent numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted February 10, 2021 Report Share Posted February 10, 2021 Be intersting to see a poll for people on this forum for Holden to be sacked or to stick with him. I remember during the tough times under LJ there was a bigger divide but it feels quite overwhelming at the moment for Holden to be sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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