Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 It ain’t JL. It ain’t Doug Hartman It ain’t Gavin Marshall Who could it be? @Harry @Olé Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 I suppose it’s only fair. If 1 person is in control of everything, that in most clubs you’d have 3 or 4 people, you may as well pay him 3 or 4 x the salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Not a huge sum paid to his pension scheme considering the salary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarksRobin Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 It’s alright, with those pension contributions he’ll be retiring in a couple of years time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Harry said: I suppose it’s only fair. If 1 person is in control of everything, that in most clubs you’d have 3 or 4 people, you may as well pay him 3 or 4 x the salary. We do have those 3 or 4 people too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Davefevs said: It ain’t JL. It ain’t Doug Hartman It ain’t Gavin Marshall Who could it be? @Harry @Olé Which entity is Ashton actually a director of? Bristol City Holdings Limited has only two listed on Companies House - JL and Hartman, with Marshall as Secretary. Ashton also isn't on the board of Ashton Gate Limited or Bristol Sport Limited. Is he actually a director in the legal sense or is he a director by job title only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, WarksRobin said: It’s alright, with those pension contributions he’ll be retiring in a couple of years time Not with that amount. He won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said: Not a huge sum paid to his pension scheme considering the salary At that salary level pension contributions are capped by HMRC, poor guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Which entity is Ashton actually a director of? Bristol City Holdings Limited has only two listed on Companies House - JL and Hartman, with Marshall as Secretary. Ashton also isn't on the board of Ashton Gate Limited or Bristol Sport Limited. Is he actually a director in the legal sense or is he a director by job title only? He is a director of Bristol City Football Club Limited. The other 3 Directors are as per my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Davefevs said: He is a director of Bristol City Football Club Limited. The other 3 Directors are as per my post. Cheers, I couldn't remember the corp. structure off the top of my head. IIRC Bristol City Football Club Limited is the subsidiary of Bristol Sport Limited and parent of Ashton Gate Limited and Bristol City Holdings Limited. I suspect he's the only Executive director, with the other three being Non-Execs. If so the pay split is pretty in line. Not uncommon to see half a million for a sole exec CEO and then just 20-30,000 for each non-exec. It's not good reading for some but it is also far from the worst I've ever seen. Once attended an AGM for a company that had a turnover of £3m and proposed a resolution to pay the CEO £750,000. Needless to say there was a fair bit of resistance from the shareholders in attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 What a sad sad rotten world we live in. Just been to my local food bank to deliver some food. Makes you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 32 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Cheers, I couldn't remember the corp. structure off the top of my head. IIRC Bristol City Football Club Limited is the subsidiary of Bristol Sport Limited and parent of Ashton Gate Limited and Bristol City Holdings Limited. I suspect he's the only Executive director, with the other three being Non-Execs. If so the pay split is pretty in line. Not uncommon to see half a million for a sole exec CEO and then just 20-30,000 for each non-exec. It's not good reading for some but it is also far from the worst I've ever seen. Once attended an AGM for a company that had a turnover of £3m and proposed a resolution to pay the CEO £750,000. Needless to say there was a fair bit of resistance from the shareholders in attendance. Were you the CEO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Could be wrong but suspect it probably isn't that far out for a top half, mid-ranking Championship club tbh. Certainly one with an Infrastructure to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Midred said: Were you the CEO? Haha. No. I was probably the lowest paid person in the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Could be wrong but suspect it probably isn't that far out for a top half, mid-ranking Championship club tbh. Certainly one with an Infrastructure to match. According to this the average is circa £290k So less than half (apologies that it’s the Mail!) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8262315/Physios-191-000-kit-men-56-000-Crazy-wages-dont-add-EFL-clubs-brink.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, lenred said: According to this the average is circa £290k So less than half (apologies that it’s the Mail!) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8262315/Physios-191-000-kit-men-56-000-Crazy-wages-dont-add-EFL-clubs-brink.html Okay thanks- slightly surprised at that then but would be interested to delve further. As per 2018/19, Brentford certainly got less e.g.- their most recent accounts- but the pay has been rising. Like I say an Infrastructure to match- it'd be interesting to see. Two or three categories of club at this level IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Okay thanks- slightly surprised at that then but would be interested to delve further. As per 2018/19, Brentford certainly got less e.g.- their most recent accounts- but the pay has been rising. Like I say an Infrastructure to match- it'd be interesting to see. Two or three categories of club at this level IMO. And I’d say we’re in the middle somewhere. Certainly not at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 14 minutes ago, lenred said: And I’d say we’re in the middle somewhere. Certainly not at the top. To compare, took a quick look at Reading 2018/19. Long story short, total Remuneration was £1,509,514- £934 in Company Contribution to Pension. Of those, the Highest paid gained- but no reference to Pension- £1,035,303, I don't know, it's hard to find Comparable clubs but I'd say there is some comparison with respect to Infrastructure and regularly (though they've hit PL a few times), recent history. Both in the South too- can put a bit extra on the wage bill. The numbers don't surprise me that much though, with us. Possible further research will prove me wrong! He's probably a bit overpaid tbh, but I'm not sure it is that out of kilter with comparable clubs at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cidre Monita Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 There should be an indication in the accounts regarding te number of paid directors. That is not just MA. Whilst they are big numbers by any normal standards, within pro sport they are not. Partly because job security is low . If you look at Prem league administrators, they tend to hit , quite easily 1M plus. IMHO it is not this salary that is the issue, but the disastrous lack of clear strategy, innovation and delivery. He should be fired asap . He was fired from Oxford and Watford for not delivering. We need and deserve far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Careful @Davefevs You’ll be branded like what I am. Don’t ask questions. Don’t question the Messiah. He knows exactly what he’s doing. Thing is it’s got **** all to do with BCFC. Up The Bears. Or The Flyers. Wonder how the old freeholds have done today...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: It ain’t JL. It ain’t Doug Hartman It ain’t Gavin Marshall Who could it be? @Harry @Olé Is it Penry, the mild-mannered janitor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Psychopomp said: There should be an indication in the accounts regarding te number of paid directors. That is not just MA. Whilst they are big numbers by any normal standards, within pro sport they are not. Partly because job security is low . If you look at Prem league administrators, they tend to hit , quite easily 1M plus. IMHO it is not this salary that is the issue, but the disastrous lack of clear strategy, innovation and delivery. He should be fired asap . He was fired from Oxford and Watford for not delivering. We need and deserve far better. We bloody well do. Accountability. Judge me on results and progress not what I say or how I say it. Lansdown would have jettisoned a fund manager from the shiny building in Canons Marsh if he or she had performed so badly. Makes you wonder why MA is still in role....... Then again perhaps he’s doing exactly what Stevie has asked of him. Recruiting half decent footballers? Perhaps that’s not on Mark’s balanced scorecard......... The Midnight Hour isn’t far off. I’m sure I’ll be proved wrong. In the Lansdowns we trust..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Still not a realised gain until such time as it is realised- and if he sells to say US Investors as a few have mooted on here, that might not be good for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 The witchunt continues, yes its a large salary but it won't be out of keeping with our competitors....ask yourself who provides more value for money Mark Ashton or some of our players who are on a lot more than him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRIAN WILSON Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: Cheers, I couldn't remember the corp. structure off the top of my head. IIRC Bristol City Football Club Limited is the subsidiary of Bristol Sport Limited and parent of Ashton Gate Limited and Bristol City Holdings Limited. I suspect he's the only Executive director, with the other three being Non-Execs. If so the pay split is pretty in line. Not uncommon to see half a million for a sole exec CEO and then just 20-30,000 for each non-exec. It's not good reading for some but it is also far from the worst I've ever seen. Once attended an AGM for a company that had a turnover of £3m and proposed a resolution to pay the CEO £750,000. Needless to say there was a fair bit of resistance from the shareholders in attendance. Bristol Energy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidoldfart Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Frankly ..what on earth has it got to do with anyone on here what MA is paid. That is down to the board and the owner and no one else.. How would anyone on here feel about their business being discussed on an open forum - its a Football Club for heavens sake , a business not a Charity or members club. You pay to go and watch a band or a play and don't give a monkeys what the artists ,cast or directors /producers are paid so why is this any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Cheers, I couldn't remember the corp. structure off the top of my head. IIRC Bristol City Football Club Limited is the subsidiary of Bristol Sport Limited and parent of Ashton Gate Limited and Bristol City Holdings Limited. I suspect he's the only Executive director, with the other three being Non-Execs. If so the pay split is pretty in line. Not uncommon to see half a million for a sole exec CEO and then just 20-30,000 for each non-exec. It's not good reading for some but it is also far from the worst I've ever seen. Once attended an AGM for a company that had a turnover of £3m and proposed a resolution to pay the CEO £750,000. Needless to say there was a fair bit of resistance from the shareholders in attendance. No, that’s not correct. Here’s the structure. 33 minutes ago, davidoldfart said: Frankly ..what on earth has it got to do with anyone on here what MA is paid. That is down to the board and the owner and no one else.. How would anyone on here feel about their business being discussed on an open forum - its a Football Club for heavens sake , a business not a Charity or members club. You pay to go and watch a band or a play and don't give a monkeys what the artists ,cast or directors /producers are paid so why is this any different? unfortunately as a limited company of a certain turnover it’s public domain. If my business fell into that reporting category then I’d accept what goes with it. And if I want to have an opinion on whether I think our CEO deserves £500+ in a business that has revenue of £16m, I will....and I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: It ain’t JL. It ain’t Doug Hartman It ain’t Gavin Marshall Who could it be? @Harry @Olé And I bet he didn’t take a salary cut when the club’s income streams dried up due to covid, either. The bloke’s robbing SL blind, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: It ain’t JL. It ain’t Doug Hartman It ain’t Gavin Marshall Who could it be? @Harry @Olé So who is it then ? Does anyone know for sure or are we again just making assumptions ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 Just now, BigTone said: So who is it then ? Does anyone know for sure or are we again just making assumptions ? I know for sure. It’s not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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