Vidal Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring. When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case. What are peoples thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 I like Jay but with Pring’s recent performances it does beg the question how did he keep his place for so long. Jay is a decent championship player and we need competition, so more than happy for him to stay on reduced terms. Believe there’s more to come from Jay & would imagine he wouldn’t be short of suitors but needs more assists and goals as technically very good. It’s a keep from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 It’s all about salary expectations here. Jay is playing in a position where he doesn’t hold a large number of cards in asking for money. I rate him, think he’s a decent defender but the fact is that he doesn’t really offer huge amounts attacking wise and his height limits the market as it will put people off. So, left back, non glamorous position. Stats won’t see him as an outlier even though he’s decent. I don’t see loads wanting him - less than his ability warrants certainly. On that basis as long as he’s affordable I’d be swinging towards keeping him as he may be a good vfm resigning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Vidal said: We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring. When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case. What are peoples thoughts? Depends what we can get him down too. If we can get him to agree a 3 year deal on £8k a week including any signing on fee then cost of contract over 3 years will ‘only’ be £1.2m. If we can replace him with a free transfer then fine but not sure we would find much better with paying a fee on that sort of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Not for me, really can't see what he brings to the team. Going forward his crossing is nowhere near as good as Cam Pring and defensively he is easily targeted. It is a position for me that needs strengthening. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 No 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 If we can get him down to the correct wages, he's technically sound- doesn't chip in with enough end product. Think the height is a bit of a red herring, these days. I'd lean towards keep wages permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 I think the main question is could you get better in the market? Ryan Manning (Swansea) is approaching the end of his deal, and is a more physical option. Loves a challenge. I have two main concerns with Dasilva. 1. He doesn’t offer the attacking threat that we get with Pring. He gets forward and then cuts back onto his right foot, which he never uses and we then lose momentum of the attack. 2. Physical teams target his side of the pitch with target men. We then have to push a centre back across to cover. He’s a good championship player, but for me Pring is a better fit for the team in our current set-up. I thought Dasilva was brilliant during his loan season, but hasn’t hit the heights (pardon the pun) since. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said: .1. He doesn’t offer the attacking threat that we get with Pring. He gets forward and then cuts back onto his right foot, which he never uses and we then lose momentum of the attack. Or, he takes a shot and someone in Row Z gets to catch the ball! But, yeah, I agree re keeping him; it depends who might be available and whose wages will be cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Not for me as of right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). It’s a very good point on the academy. I don’t see anyone ready for that position but others may do. Also can Benarous be trained there? The whole question of should we renew is impossible to answer really as we don’t have enough information. We aren’t going to pay a transfer fee for a left wing back in my opinion and without knowing the chances of signing someone on a free who is any better it’s very hard to answer. I would say, without all the info, best to trust those with the info to make the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillies Downs Leeds Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said: Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). Would imagine the young lad Morrison would be the replacement in the long term. Only 17 I believe but very highly rated within the club. Had some playing time in the friendly win over Southampton. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said: Would imagine the young lad Morrison would be the replacement in the long term. Only 17 I believe but very highly rated within the club. Had some playing time in the friendly win over Southampton. Yes, he can play either side, although I think he may end up in central midfield. Edwards plays left side, are we writing him off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 right now at this moment in time i would say yes, long way to go this season and if pring gets a nasty off of some thug we will need a ready replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephjnr Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 As stated by others Pring is an upgrade on almost everything Jay does, so it's a no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Pring had his career slowed by DeSilva in my opinion. DeSilva was an LJ bauble that cost a fortune and was almost immediately diagnosed with shin splints. Yet another crock that was missed by the medical staff and managed to get themselves paid for not very much. Is there anyone out there there that’s better and available to us or do we have anyone coming through is the question. From what I heard several have been offered contracts and as DeSilva was on the bench I suspect he was one of them. Guess we will know soon enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 On reduced terms. Yes, as competition. He’s been a disappointing signing for me. I thought he was incredible during his loan period. I know he’s had some nasty injuries but has never fulfilled his potential during his time here. I thought the £2million fee was a bargain at the time. What a shame. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoTheCiderHead Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 God no - I’d rather offer Jay-Z a new contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Really hard to know who is available for the wages we can afford & what his situation is, so has he made his mind up already to look to move on or is he willing to do a Wells/Weimann & accept reduced terms? He’s 24, has played 120 Championship games for us so to my mind would be a useful squad option, but all of the stuff above will actually decide it, I think. I rate Pring as good enough to be one of our 2 LBs in the squad but would want a replacement for JD if he leaves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vidal Posted January 2, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 55 minutes ago, The Coach said: On reduced terms. Yes, as competition. He’s been a disappointing signing for me. I thought he was incredible during his loan period. I know he’s had some nasty injuries but has never fulfilled his potential during his time here. I thought the £2million fee was a bargain at the time. What a shame. He was outstanding on loan - been a big disappointment I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin.... JD was on the bench yesterday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin.... Dasilva has been on the bench since the restart, so jury out on him. I'd hope we could do better for less investment, but okay as a squard player on the right money. Chis Martin hasn't made the squad sin cethe restart, and I half expect him to to find another club in the January window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 On reduced terms as a back up to Pring, yes, I would probably say so unless we've a similar player in the academy set up who I wouldn't want blocked by Dasilva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Too weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) It’s Dasilva. Not DaSilva or Da Silva or Desilva Edited January 2, 2023 by And Its Smith 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 He hasn't been offered a new contract. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 It's a no from me. Been part of a very leaky defence for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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