Is Jay DaSilva worth a new contract?

[Vidal]

We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. 

With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring.

When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

What are peoples thoughts? 

[Shuffle]

I like Jay but with Pring’s recent performances it does beg the question how did he keep his place for so long. Jay is  a decent championship player and we need competition, so more than happy for him to stay on reduced terms.  Believe there’s more to come from Jay & would imagine he wouldn’t be short of suitors but needs more assists and goals as technically very good.

It’s a keep from me. 

[Silvio Dante]

It’s all about salary expectations here.

Jay is playing in a position where he doesn’t hold a large number of cards in asking for money. I rate him, think he’s a decent defender but the fact is that he doesn’t really offer huge amounts attacking wise and his height limits the market as it will put people off.

So, left back, non glamorous position. Stats won’t see him as an outlier even though he’s decent.

I don’t see loads wanting him - less than his ability warrants certainly. On that basis as long as he’s affordable I’d be swinging towards keeping him as he may be a good vfm resigning

[And Its Smith]

7 minutes ago, Vidal said:

We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. 

With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring.

When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

What are peoples thoughts? 

Depends what we can get him down too. If we can get him to agree a 3 year deal on £8k a week including any signing on fee then cost of contract over 3 years will ‘only’ be £1.2m.  If we can replace him with a free transfer then fine but not sure we would find much better with paying a fee on that sort of money.  

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

Not for me, really can't see what he brings to the team. Going forward his crossing is nowhere near as good as Cam Pring and defensively he is easily targeted. It is a position for me that needs strengthening.

[bearded_red]

No

[Mr Popodopolous]

If we can get him down to the correct wages, he's technically sound- doesn't chip in with enough end product. Think the height is a bit of a red herring, these days. I'd lean towards keep wages permitting.

[AshtonRobin21]

I think the main question is could you get better in the market?

Ryan Manning (Swansea) is approaching the end of his deal, and is a more physical option. Loves a challenge.

I have two main concerns with Dasilva.

1. He doesn’t offer the attacking threat that we get with Pring. He gets forward and then cuts back onto his right foot, which he never uses and we then lose momentum of the attack.

2. Physical teams target his side of the pitch with target men. We then have to push a centre back across to cover. 
 

He’s a good championship player, but for me Pring is a better fit for the team in our current set-up. 

I thought Dasilva was brilliant during his loan season, but hasn’t hit the heights (pardon the pun) since.

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

.1. He doesn’t offer the attacking threat that we get with Pring. He gets forward and then cuts back onto his right foot, which he never uses and we then lose momentum of the attack.

 

Or, he takes a shot and someone in Row Z gets to catch the ball!

But, yeah, I agree re keeping him; it depends who might be available and whose wages will be cheaper. 

[Lew-T]

Not for me as of right now.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). 

[And Its Smith]

4 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). 

It’s a very good point on the academy.  I don’t see anyone ready for that position but others may do. Also can Benarous be trained there? 
 

The whole question of should we renew is impossible to answer really as we don’t have enough information.  We aren’t going to pay a transfer fee for a left wing back in my opinion and without knowing the chances of signing someone on a free who is any better it’s very hard to answer.   I would say, without all the info, best to trust those with the info to make the right decision.  

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

6 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Not close enough to the academy to know if we’ve got anyone coming through in that position? We’ve more options on the right, so obviously need cover beyond Cam, therefore as others have said, depends on the offer he’ll take vs what’s available in the market (unless academy about to reveal a jewel). 

Would imagine the young lad Morrison would be the replacement in the long term. Only 17 I believe but very highly rated within the club. Had some playing time in the friendly win over Southampton.

[Bris Red]

Not for me. 

[Port Said Red]

26 minutes ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Would imagine the young lad Morrison would be the replacement in the long term. Only 17 I believe but very highly rated within the club. Had some playing time in the friendly win over Southampton.

Yes, he can play either side, although I think he may end up in central midfield. Edwards plays left side, are we writing him off?

[redsquirrel]

right now at this moment in time i would say yes, long way to go this season and if pring gets a nasty off of some thug we will need a ready replacement

[sephjnr]

As stated by others Pring is an upgrade on almost everything Jay does, so it's a no.

[REDOXO]

Pring had his career slowed by DeSilva in my opinion. 

DeSilva was an LJ bauble that cost a fortune and was almost immediately diagnosed with shin splints. Yet another crock that was missed by the medical staff and managed to get themselves paid for not very much. 

Is there anyone out there there that’s better and available to us or do we have anyone coming through is the question.
 

From what I heard several have been offered contracts and as DeSilva was on the bench I suspect he was one of them. Guess we will know soon enough! 

[Jackson Lamb]

On reduced terms. Yes, as competition.

He’s been a disappointing signing for me. I thought he was incredible during his loan period. I know he’s had some nasty injuries but has never fulfilled his potential during his time here. I thought the £2million fee was a bargain at the time. What a shame. 

[GeoTheCiderHead]

God no - I’d rather offer Jay-Z a new contract

[GrahamC]

Really hard to know who is available for the wages we can afford & what his situation is, so has he made his mind up already to look to move on or is he willing to do a Wells/Weimann & accept reduced terms?

He’s 24, has played 120 Championship games for us so to my mind would be a useful squad option, but all of the stuff above will actually decide it, I think.

I rate Pring as good enough to be one of our 2 LBs in the squad but would want a replacement for JD if he leaves.

[W-S-M Seagull]

Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin....

[Vidal]

55 minutes ago, The Coach said:

On reduced terms. Yes, as competition.

He’s been a disappointing signing for me. I thought he was incredible during his loan period. I know he’s had some nasty injuries but has never fulfilled his potential during his time here. I thought the £2million fee was a bargain at the time. What a shame. 

He was outstanding on loan - been a big disappointment I agree.

[Lanterne Rouge]

9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin....

JD was on the bench yesterday?

[Sleepy1968]

7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Since Pearson said 3 players have been told they won't have their contracts extended we've seen nothing of JD or Martin....

Dasilva has been on the bench since the restart, so jury out on him. I'd hope we could do better for less investment, but okay as a squard player on the right money.  Chis Martin hasn't made the squad sin cethe restart, and I half expect him to to find another club in the January window.

[One Team]

On reduced terms as a back up to Pring, yes, I would probably say so unless we've a similar player in the academy set up who I wouldn't want blocked by Dasilva. 

[Banjo Red]

Too weak

[And Its Smith]

It’s Dasilva.  Not DaSilva or Da  Silva  or Desilva 

Edited January 2, 2023 by And Its Smith

[Kid in the Riot]

He hasn't been offered a new contract.

[Sir Geoff]

It's a no from me. Been part of a very leaky defence for too long.

[spudski]

He's the biggest conundrum for me.

He's not the best at defending in a LB position.

He's not a wing back. His distribution as a wing back when passing/ crossing is poor at this level imo.

He is however a talented technical footballer. Close control and short passing excellent.

For me... he's not playing to his strengths.

I see him as a left sided midfielder who plays possession build up football. How Swansea used to play.

In a wing back position for us, I see him weakening that position. Pring far better.

But he is a fantastic footballer used wrongly for us ...imo.

[sh1t_ref_again]

Not for me, not had any pace since injury and way behind Pring in all elements of the game, on way too much money and even at reduced levels to be a bench warmer

[tin]

I’d imagine Towler will be in the first-team fold next season and could cover for Pring, as could Tanner.

[cidered abroad]

6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He hasn't been offered a new contract.

Know this as a fact?

I believe that his size and the fact that he can't use his right foot, lets him down. Not strong enough as a left back and not creative enough as a wing back. I would prefer someone a harder as a defender and creative as an attacker.

[LondonBristolian]

Of all the players out of contract, I think he is the hardest to call both in terms of what I want to happen and what I think will happen.

I think he is better than some give him credit for but he’s not so far delivered on his potential and, if he weren’t here already, I don’t really see him as a signing Pearson would make.

Others have said this but I think it ultimately comes down to what alternatives there are. I’d not offer him a contract now and would be prepared to run the risk of another club coming in but - depending on his demands - I’d not be adverse to us offering him something at the end of the season if the other options are more expensive or less effective.

[petehinton]

Pearson wanted him out last year but he managed to play his way back in. Now he’s back out again and Pring is by far the better player for what we need, and no doubt probably on about 1/3rd of what JD is on. 
 

It’s a no brainer released in the summer for me

[AshtonRobin21]

A big factor in all of this is that this squad is not winning enough games, and we need new players.

We have a lot of high earners in the squad, who simply aren’t doing enough to get results. That’s the brutal truth.

We need to bring in players with the bit between their teeth, to help us progress forward, but cannot do that if we choose to extend the contracts of certain players.

There is a big opportunity this summer, to free up wages, whilst also freshening up the squad. 

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I feel their is better value available this summer.

I would release. 

 

[Simon79]

Most definitely, but like with all things now, as long as the finances make sense. & that probably means a fair % drop for Jay, maybe on a longer term? He won’t struggle to find a club if he leaves, that’s for sure! COYR 

[Johnr1986]

13 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

Most definitely, but like with all things now, as long as the finances make sense. & that probably means a fair % drop for Jay, maybe on a longer term? He won’t struggle to find a club if he leaves, that’s for sure! COYR 

Agreed with everything said here. 

[Simon bristol]

52 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

A big factor in all of this is that this squad is not winning enough games, and we need new players.

We have a lot of high earners in the squad, who simply aren’t doing enough to get results. That’s the brutal truth.

We need to bring in players with the bit between their teeth, to help us progress forward, but cannot do that if we choose to extend the contracts of certain players.

There is a big opportunity this summer, to free up wages, whilst also freshening up the squad. 

As I mentioned in my earlier post, I feel their is better value available this summer.

I would release. 

 

Totally agree, dasilva might be a tidy player but offers not a lot,,, he should be released, along with quite a few others… what a shame though with the money we have lost on all these players!

[Davefevs]

5 hours ago, Vidal said:

We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. 

With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring.

When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

What are peoples thoughts? 

Firstly, a good thought provoking post, and lots of good responses, all with various merits.  This is what OTIB is about.  Before I pick off several responses to you and respond myself…there are quite a few unknowns that make it a tough one to call.

5 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

I think the main question is could you get better in the market?

Ryan Manning (Swansea) is approaching the end of his deal, and is a more physical option. Loves a challenge.

I have two main concerns with Dasilva.

1. He doesn’t offer the attacking threat that we get with Pring. He gets forward and then cuts back onto his right foot, which he never uses and we then lose momentum of the attack.

2. Physical teams target his side of the pitch with target men. We then have to push a centre back across to cover. 
 

He’s a good championship player, but for me Pring is a better fit for the team in our current set-up. 

I thought Dasilva was brilliant during his loan season, but hasn’t hit the heights (pardon the pun) since.

Yes, with any re-contract we should be thinking two ways…can we get better, are we blocking pathway.

Ideally, we shouldn’t be letting players go OOC, we should be selling them before the time comes, but we couldn’t do that with the squad size / depth and the current market.

So we are in a position where we are in a bit of a corner, offering him a decreased deal to stay.  Pring has massively complicate the situation.  In a good way!!!

4 hours ago, Gillies Downs Leeds said:

Would imagine the young lad Morrison would be the replacement in the long term. Only 17 I believe but very highly rated within the club. Had some playing time in the friendly win over Southampton.

Yes, certainly being groomed to get an early opportunity.  He might influence what sort of age player we might look at.  I know it’s a bit strange to note, but Dasilva is 3 months younger than Pring!!!

4 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Yes, he can play either side, although I think he may end up in central midfield. Edwards plays left side, are we writing him off?

Sounds like he’s (Morrison) gonna be one of those players who can play anywhere down the left hand side, and possibly elsewhere too.

Edwards is 22 in April, gonna need a big summer I think.  Would not surprise me if he doesn’t quite fulfil the promise here

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

He hasn't been offered a new contract.

Well, that effing changes everything.  Do you know / can you say whether that’s a point blank, wasn’t offered a contract, because we don’t want him, or wasn’t offered a contract because poles apart in what he wanted and club willing to offer?  I heard that he was in talks…but that doesn’t mean we got to a stage where close enough in negotiations.

It seemed Nige had got Dasilva back onside from a poor situation last season.

1 hour ago, tin said:

I’d imagine Towler will be in the first-team fold next season and could cover for Pring, as could Tanner.

Is he really a LB?  I know he played a couple of times for us there.  He’s having a good loan at Wimbledon but still think he might want another loan season…at Lg1.

 

Back to the OP…assuming he has been offered a contract, it really has to be on a sensible wage…and then hope he gets back to the form we saw pre-injury, which might be debatable.

[Redrascal2]

No.

[IAmNick]

I like him a lot and rate him highly but probably wouldn't offer him a new contract. I don't think he's what we need right now.

Ball at his feet, in tight spaces, quick passing, he's about as good as any in the squad I think. He's technically excellent and I really enjoy watching him play. I think players like Scott are probably enhanced by having a few like Jay around them.

I said earlier in the season I'd like to see him tried in midfield, but I get why we haven't.

I could see him going elsewhere, playing slightly different football, and doing very well - and I hope he does. Easy to forget how young he is too... Real shame we won't get anything for him.

Edited January 2, 2023 by IAmNick

[nickolas]

I’d keep him. An in true Nige-style, convert him to a cm to utilise his ball skills better. Remember back when we were all saying Bryan should play at cm?? Well i could see Dasilva playing well there. And no, his height makes no difference nomatter where he is on the pitch!

[Alan Dicks]

I’ve never really rated him , I honestly don’t believe he’s championship standard.

I think he needs to move on and try to resurrect his career. 

[Tomo]

It's a no from me.... We need a reset. Players can stay at 1 club too long.... 

[maxjak]

On 02/01/2023 at 12:44, Vidal said:

We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. 

With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring.

When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

What are peoples thoughts? 

IMO Get rid............he is not worth his salary...........and often flatters to deceive.   It is hard to believe that he is a product of the Chelsea Academy?

[Davefevs]

4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

he is not worth his salary

He won’t be getting his current salary if he’s offered a new deal here!

[Clutton Caveman]

On 02/01/2023 at 12:44, Vidal said:

We have a history of turning excellent loans into terrible permanent signings, Tomlin being the obvious example. Whilst I wouldn’t put Jay into that category I do not think he has met expectations since signing on a perm. 

With him apparently being offered a new contract, all be it a lower wage, do people think offering him a new contract is the right thing to do? For me, I would release and look for a young hungry aggressive lower league left back to offer competition to Pring.

When COD was released NP said that sometimes a player needs to move on for both them and the club, I thought Jay would be in the same boat, it doesn’t seem to be the case.

What are peoples thoughts? 

Very simple. No. He can't beat his man, can't cross and is a liability in the air. Much better value available for far less salary

[maxjak]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

He won’t be getting his current salary if he’s offered a new deal here!

Pedant.......Ha!!

[Clutton Caveman]

21 hours ago, Simon79 said:

Most definitely, but like with all things now, as long as the finances make sense. & that probably means a fair % drop for Jay, maybe on a longer term? He won’t struggle to find a club if he leaves, that’s for sure! COYR 

Not so sure about him finding a new club as he gets targeted by juts about every team we play.

[bearded_red]

I just don’t see how he offers any of the things you look for in a modern fullback.

[Merrick's Marvels]

I've never believed he's a Pearson type player - just look at the teams he's built.

To pick the obvious example, his Leicester team who won the Championship - imo he sees Cam Pring as Paul Konchesky, having similar attributes - good physique, doesn't shirk a tackle, decent in the air, defensively sound but got a good engine, good left peg and can do a bit going forward. And he can fill in at LCB in an emergency. That's a far more rounded player than Dasilva.

(George Tanner has all the same attributes to play the same role on the Right hand side, just needs to improve going forward or, perhaps, become more confident doing so at this level. Then he'll be Ritchie de Laet. As we already have Matty James, we'll then only need a Michael Keane, a Wes Morgan, a Danny Drinkwater, a Ben Marshall (who he?), an Anthony Knockaert, a David Nugent and a Chris Wood.)   

And don't forget this from the fan Q&A which was not long after the Millwall home defeat:

Q: "Nige, why do we always struggle against big, physical teams?"

A: "Because they're bigger and more physical than us"

Q: "OK, do you want a big, physical team?"

A: "Yes"

So there's your answer. 

[Cityboy1954]

On 02/01/2023 at 17:06, cidered abroad said:

Know this as a fact?

I believe that his size and the fact that he can't use his right foot, lets him down. Not strong enough as a left back and not creative enough as a wing back. I would prefer someone a harder as a defender and creative as an attacker.

Scott golbourne part 2

[DaveF]

25 minutes ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Scott golbourne part 2

His playing style is nothing like Scott Golbourne!

[Negan]

Wouldnt say he's been a flop but compared to his loan spell hasn't hit those heights. I remember at the time we were laughing getting 15m for Kelly and buying JD for around 2-3m? I think it was. Both of them were battling it out for the left back spot and I think most of us agreed JD won that fight, but we all knew Kelly would become a CB in time. It felt back then we'd done so well getting a big chunk for Kelly and seemingly replacing him with a much better option. Think we gave Chelsea 15 million that summer for Palmer, Kalas and Dasilva... can't say we've got anywhere near value for money. Another Ashton masterclass.. 

[Cityboy1954]

10 hours ago, DaveF said:

His playing style is nothing like Scott Golbourne!

Same size beat in the air on height neither were or are attacking whats the difference .

[Malago]

No player can give 100%, 100% of the time.  The problem with Jay is, you’re lucky if you get 70/80% effort 50% of the time.  Nige talked about players coasting through games.  For me Dasilva is a prime example of that.

[Gillies Downs Leeds]

3 minutes ago, Malago said:

No player can give 100%, 100% of the time.  The problem with Jay is, you’re lucky if you get 70/80% effort 50% of the time.  Nige talked about players coasting through games.  For me Dasilva is a prime example of that.

In my opinion he has never been the same since he has had all of the shin splint issues. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

On 03/01/2023 at 16:23, Merrick's Marvels said:

I've never believed he's a Pearson type player - just look at the teams he's built.

To pick the obvious example, his Leicester team who won the Championship - imo he sees Cam Pring as Paul Konchesky, having similar attributes - good physique, doesn't shirk a tackle, decent in the air, defensively sound but got a good engine, good left peg and can do a bit going forward. And he can fill in at LCB in an emergency. That's a far more rounded player than Dasilva.

(George Tanner has all the same attributes to play the same role on the Right hand side, just needs to improve going forward or, perhaps, become more confident doing so at this level. Then he'll be Ritchie de Laet. As we already have Matty James, we'll then only need a Michael Keane, a Wes Morgan, a Danny Drinkwater, a Ben Marshall (who he?), an Anthony Knockaert, a David Nugent and a Chris Wood.)   

And don't forget this from the fan Q&A which was not long after the Millwall home defeat:

Q: "Nige, why do we always struggle against big, physical teams?"

A: "Because they're bigger and more physical than us"

Q: "OK, do you want a big, physical team?"

A: "Yes"

So there's your answer. 

Hmm wasn't that a straightish 4-4-2 side?

Unsure a side wins this League or usually gets up with that set-up these days.

[The Bard]

On 02/01/2023 at 17:05, spudski said:

He's the biggest conundrum for me.

He's not the best at defending in a LB position.

He's not a wing back. His distribution as a wing back when passing/ crossing is poor at this level imo.

He is however a talented technical footballer. Close control and short passing excellent.

For me... he's not playing to his strengths.

I see him as a left sided midfielder who plays possession build up football. How Swansea used to play.

In a wing back position for us, I see him weakening that position. Pring far better.

But he is a fantastic footballer used wrongly for us ...imo.

Trouble with him being a left sided midfielder is he isn't the greatest at either shooting or crossing.  

If we had a 5 a side team he'd be brilliant, but we don't so he needs to leave and join a more technical possession based side.

[alexukhc]

Would you do a swap with Leaburn? Think if he leaves in the summer chances are he’ll end up there or I think a club like QPR would suit Jay, shame I really like him

[And Its Smith]

I thought he was very good today. Good in possession, dribbling and barely gave the ball away.  Was very good one on one.  Positioned himself well defensively making it hard for his winger.  And Pearson and staff looked delighted with him when he came off.  Great to have that strength in depth

[Edge1981]

17 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

I thought he was very good today. Good in possession, dribbling and barely gave the ball away.  Was very good one on one.  Positioned himself well defensively making it hard for his winger.  And Pearson and staff looked delighted with him when he came off.  Great to have that strength in depth

Agreed! Thought he had a great game. Superb ball control and a couple of good flicks and lay-offs too. Had a really good game 

[kiwicolin]

Definitely yes. 

[Tony Tootle]

Fantastic today, his best performance for months. 

[Loosey Boy]

As long as it’s on reduced terms, a no brainer for me

[And Its Smith]

6 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Nope. 

Why?

[marcofisher]

I’ve always wondered with Jay if he would have been better developed in a different position. 

[And Its Smith]

5 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

I just don't see it. He's poor. 

Take the good footwork when he was scythed down on the halfway line today. When he received that pass he had about 20 yards of space, he had a completely open side of the pitch to run into at pace. Instead he puts his foot on the ball, runs into a blind alley and kills a really dangerous attack.

Now, benefit of the doubt could let you say "it's 3-0, he's protecting the lead". But he does it every single time. It's just really poor full back play.

He's too small, he got caught out of position 3 or 4 times in the first half and it was only that Jed Wallace had an absolute nightmare that he wasn't punished. 

He's lethargic in the press, he's languid on the ball. He's the antithesis of what our team is about. We are becoming a powerful countering side, we progress through the thirds quickly. 

Stick him in Swansea's team and he'd look tidy. But for us, no. He's just not the right type of player. 

He's also on a massive wedge and lightyears behind Pring. 

It's the most obvious "release" imaginable. 

If we renewed it would be on less than he’s on now.  I think it entirely depends on what he’d accept as to whether it should be renewed.  Was very good today though and a few more performances like that might prompt an offer from us.  We will need to replace him if he leaves and no guarantee we will get better. Pearson looked delighted with him today