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22 minutes ago, spudski said:
And the young lad Rowe in the Academy.
Is it a first...where two players went to the same school in Bristol, and picked for the first team?
Jason Fowler & Louis Carey were same primary school.
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Just now, RedRoss said:
Just for clarify to all the posts saying 'thought the wage budget was at its limit' or some iteration of this.
Why would any club set a wage structure with the intention to renew existing contracts and not account for the extra wages that will add to it. Just to be really clear.. they had Vyners extra dosh on the table in their mind when setting the wage structure.
exactly, we're not Tinpot Rovers ffs... exactly the same with bonuses etc, 'don't score anyone, we are at our limit with the wage cap and can't pay goal bonus'
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9 minutes ago, BarnzFM said:
Bet he signed days ago but we’ve saved it till now so to soften the blow
With the clause 'if someone does not come in by 9PM on 1st Sept'
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2 hours ago, Ian M said:
The knowledge that we will likely not make a loss this season will give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside as we labour to break down teams every fortnight at Ashton Gate.
Who else is excited to think how much we can get for Conway in the Summer? Our balance sheet could look pretty exciting over the next two seasons
This seems to be the game, stay in the league, rinse and repeat = More attractive for new owner/investor
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Happy Birthday Steve!
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7 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:
Yes, it was called The Southville Hotel, better known to us - until turned into flats recently - as The Imp.
No. 2, Alpha Street, Southville.
Hollis was the licensee from 1906 to 1911.
The bit you've quoted above which says "having previously run a pub between 1899 and 1909" is obviously wrong. Good old Wikipedia!
I reckon this should be 1901 not 1909 - which would tie in with his first and second spells as manager. I don't know what pub this was but will keep digging!
The book by Leigh Edwards and David Woods 'Bristol City FC The First 100 Years' also states he was a local publican after leaving City for a 3rd time in 1913 and remained so until his death in 1942. Need to find out about that, too!
A final note on Hollis:
He was born in Nottingham - same as our current manager.
He was one of the best managers we've had - same as our current manager.
He left in 1899 because of interference from the directors and conditions they attached to the offer of a new contract - er, same as our current manager????? Let's hope not!
He joined local rivals (Bedminster) but lost his job when the two clubs amalgamated - I think we can safely say this one won't be happening.
History might repeat itself in one other way though:
The work Nottingham-born Hollis did laid the foundations for a new manager to come in and lead us into the top flight of English football in 1906, Championship runners-up in 1907, FA Cup finalists in 1909.
What does fate have in store for Nottingham-born Nigel Pearson? Like at Leicester, will it be someone else taking all the glory? Let's hope not!
Nice, I have a feeling it maybe The Albert, (possibly Prince of Wales for 1913 onwards) as he signed my Great Grandfather and that’s where the family used to drink back in the day.
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A 'Ted' has been, and they making the signing about being ex 'Ted' = Still Tinpot not Jackpot
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2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:
Yes it is.
In the centre of the 6 yard box, just to the left of Wedlock as we look, is Joe Cottle our Left Back. 2 months before the Cup Final he won his only cap, playing for England against Northern Ireland in a Home International match.
Billy Wedlock also played in that game. Imagine that - 2 current City players playing together for England, 2 City players born and bred in Bedminster as it happens. Local heroes, indeed. On retirement, both then ran pubs - Cottle 2 pubs on East Street long since gone, Wedlock the, er, Wedlock's! (The Star).
What is it with our England internationals and pubs? Billy Jones, our first ever international, capped by England in 1901, ran The Barley Mow when he retired - a pub that hasn't changed much since 1901!
But we digress.
The City player nearest the foreground, with his back to us, is likely to be our Right Back and tallest player, Archie Annan.
The other 3 in the 6 yard box are likely to be our Half Backs ("midfield") - Wedlock played in the centre with Pat Hanlin and Arthur Spear (leaning over) either side of him.
Our 2 players furthest to the right are possibly Inside Forwards - Bob Hardy nearest, Andy Burton on the edge of the area.
Harry Clay is in goal, as he was for over a decade.
We were missing 2 key players for the Cup Final - Reuben Marr from midfield and no. 9 Willis Rippon, who scored regularly in this Cup run, most notably 2 penalties in the semi-final against Derby (one in the 90th minute).
Heroes all !
Do you happen to know the Hotel and/or Pub Sam Hollis ran?
He left in March 1905, and managed a hotel between 1905 and 1911, having previously run a pub between 1899 and 1909. He took over as Bristol City manager for the third time in January 1911, and oversaw the club's relegation from the First Division back to the Second.
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1 hour ago, Merrick's Marvels said:
Who is that, asking the second lot of questions?
A spectacular upgrade on anyone else who's quizzed Pearson in the last couple of years - give that man a knighthood!
Sounded like Tristan Cork
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49 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:
Respect!
A quick but small (5'4") Outside Left.
43 games for Bedminster in 1899-90, scoring 15 goals.
1900 Bedminster and City amalgamate.
29 games for Bristol City in 1900-01, scoring 5 times. This was the team that earned us entry to the Football League - although he was released that summer.
We shall draw a veil over him joining the Blue Few in Oct 1901 as it was only for 7 games! Deciding he'd had quite enough of that lot, he then retired - though it did make him only the 2nd ever player to play for both City and Rovers.
He'd played, and scored, in the 1892 FA Cup Final for his hometown club West Brom and won the Southern League with both West Brom and Millwall.
20 goals from 70 games for West Brom 1891-94.
40 odd goals for Millwall from 100 odd games in 2 spells between 1894 and 1899.
Top man.
We don’t talk about the ‘Blue Few’ part in our family
Yeah, that FA Cup Final goal was the fastest cup final goal for many years, think it was after 3 minutes.
As well as the Millwall hall of fame I think he’s in a Baggies one also.
Cheers
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20 hours ago, Piccolo said:Millwall fan here, and former writer for the history article for the match day programme.
I can confirm, Millwall have never been relegated from the Football League. Our last spell in the bottom tier was back in 1965. Our lowest ever finish in the four-tier format was 9th in 1958/59. The club did have to sadly apply for re-election in 1950, having finished 22nd in the Third Division (South).
Indeed, as you can see, the post-war period was the worst in Millwall’s history. This is made even more heart-breaking by the fact that it followed the most promising period in the club’s story. Between the two world wars, Millwall were one of the best supported clubs in the entire country. The Den was at the centre of a huge working-class community, which supplied labour to the London Docks, the very heartbeat of the British Empire. Crowds of 30-40,000 came to watch important matches even in the doldrums of the Third and Second tiers, 40-50,000 came to watch big cup games or London derbies. Even the pre-season match between Millwall Blues and Millwall Reds (a first team v reserve team game) attracted 15-20,000.
I mention this, as know that Bristol City are very similar in being a club that had the potential to go on and be a truly big club. Neither Millwall, or it seems Bristol City, ever caught the breaks needed. Indeed, in the late 1930s Millwall were building real momentum, the club were signing past and future internationals, crowds were building and a run to the FA Cup Semi-Finals saw First Division sides Fulham, Chelsea, Derby County and that season’s eventual First Division Champions, Manchester City, fall at The Den. In the 1938/39 season, 37,115 came to Cold Blow Lane to see how Millwall would fair against hot favourites for promotion and league leaders Blackburn Rovers. The Lions won 4-1. Rovers would finish as champions and so many at The Den that day thought that surely the next season would be the one in which Millwall finally joined the top table. However, Hitler had other ideas.
The London Docklands that surrounded the club suffered greatly during the Second World War. The Den was hit by a German bomb in one of, if not the very last, attacks of the Blitz. The insurance company refused to pay out, as it had more pressing claims to cover. When ground was reopened, still with a bomb crater, a discarded cigarette burnt down the main stand. Again, no insurance money was available. The club went from being one of the richest in the land and on the way up in the late 1930s, to being broke and ground sharing after the war. The application for re-election and then the indignity of becoming founding members of the new Division Four in 1958 were lingering symptoms of the impact of the war on the club. The decline of the docks then saw an end to Millwall ever becoming one of the big London clubs for good. At least Bristol City still have the opportunity to become a big, regional club ala Brighton & Hove Albion. We are far too hemmed in, by Chelsea to the west, Palace to the south, Charlton to the east and only a short tube ride away from Arsenal, Spurs and West Ham north of the river. In fact, it is pretty amazing that we are still able to draw 12-15,000 fans to matches, given our complete lack of success, horrific reputation and the geography outlined above. No-one could accuse the children and grandchildren of the old dockers who didn’t give up on the club in the post-war period of not being passionate about their club at least.
As an aside, I always find it funny that many of the most interesting history snippets about Millwall are often left out of these reviews, not just on football forums, but by the likes of Sky and the BBC too. For example…
Millwall are the only club in England to have been bestowed a nickname based on footballing endeavor. Nicknamed the ‘Dockers’ on account of the occupation of many of the original players and supporters, Millwall were christened the ‘Lions of the South’ by the sporting press because they were the first working-class club from the south to give the dominant northern and midlands Football League sides of the late Victorian era a bloody nose in the FA Cup. Millwall not only knocked out the famous Preston North End club, plus the mighty Everton in runs to the Semi-Finals of the FA Cup in 1900 and 1903, but also defeated one of the most dominant forces English football has ever seen in the Aston Villa side of the turn of the century. Villa were five times English Champions between 1893 and 1900, as well as FA Cup winners on three occasions between 1887 and 1897. They were double winners in 1896/97. But could not knock-out the East End team over three matches. Millwall’s 2-1 win in the second reply cemented Millwall’s image as the ‘Lions’.
Indeed, no other club has knocked out more sides from a higher division than Millwall have in the FA Cup. Millwall are the ultimate giant killers, with FA Cup holders and League Champions all being mauled by the Lions over the years. Premier League Champions Leicester City were the latest scalp to be added to an illustrious list, when the then League One Lions beat a strong Foxes side in the last minute of the 5th round tie at The Den, despite playing the entire second half with ten men.
Other interesting facts (if you are still reading!) that often get overlooked are…
Millwall are the only club to go undefeated at home for an entire season on five separate occasions, and across four separate divisions. Once the club went 59 consecutive home games without defeat between 1964 and 1967, consisting of 43 wins and 16 draws, scoring 112 goals, and conceding just 33 with 35 clean sheets. Even on moving from the intimidating Old Den, the club still has a very strong home record. Millwall only lost one league home game in the first season at the ‘new’ Den, unfortunately it was the first ever league game in SE16, a 4-1 spanking live on TV to Southend United. In fact, fans only saw 5 defeats in the first 46 home league matches in the new surroundings.
Millwall were the first club to have a community scheme and partnership with its local authority. Long before sports washing became a thing in the 1980s. Furthermore, in was in this period Millwall also became the first club to open an official family stand and creche, as well form an affiliation with a women’s team – the Millwall Lionesses. The Lionesses were true pioneers of the women’s game in this country.
Millwall hold the record for most official fans at both the new and old Wembley. 47,349 Millwall fans officially attended the Auto-Windscreens Shield Cup Final v Wigan Athletic in 1999. They were also more in the corporate boxes. In 2009, 49,661 Lions fans attended the League One Play-Off Final v Scunthorpe United. Neither of these records have been beaten by official sales. Both turnouts are no doubt a nod to Millwall’s history as well supported club when the docks were thriving, with everyone connected to the club wanting to see us on our first official visits to the new and old stadiums. *Millwall did play Chelsea in a Football League War Cup (South) Final at Wembley in front of 90,000 spectators.
Millwall were the first southern club to be offered a place in the Football League in 1894. They were probably seen as a great coup, being an inner-city London side, with good support and a decent ground. However, the club turned down the offer, as it was pioneering its own professional league – the Southern League. The Millwall directors believing that competitive matches v the likes of old rivals Arsenal and hopefully other London clubs and decent southern sides like Southampton would be more attractive than playing provincial sides like Darwen, Burton Swifts and Grimsby Town. Travel costs were also seen as a big factor. However, despite promises of helping to pioneer the Southern League idea with Millwall, Woolwich Arsenal (a poorly supported club on the Kent borders at the time) accepted the Football League’s offer instead… and the rest, as they say, is history!
Who knows… a few of you may read that on the train to London to past the time.
Re the actual match. It will be very emotional. I just hope our players can handle the atmosphere. I do not foresee any trouble, but Millwall still remains a place that if you go looking for trouble, you will find it (bit like Bristol!). I recommend drinking around London Bridge and then tubing it to Bermondsey / Canada Water if you are sensible walking through Bermondsey. Or you can go to Surrey Docks (Quays) and drink at the Wetherspoons there, as often see away fans around there and if they create no bother, they get no bother. I have seen young lads thinking that it was like a trip to Watford or Reading, where singing ‘XYZ is a shithole I wanna go home’ and all those obnoxious songs wouldn’t draw attention… around Bermondsey they will. For those asking about avoiding main pubs… as in hooligan pubs… I doubt your Google maps will take you past any of these, as they tend to be more off the main roads. Saying that, walking past the Blue Anchor or Ancient Forresters on the main roads will still require some respect for the locals inside. I would not drink in them if I was you, just because they are very partisan and will be very busy Saturday.
The Bermondsey Beer Mile is pretty good for drinking and avoiding the football crowds – look it up.
Great read thank you.
My Great Grandfather Alf 'Jasper' Geddes played for Millwall & Bristol City, I think this picture is displayed at The Den somewhere (or used to be)
Signed to Bristol City from Millwall (via Bedminster) in 1899 then stayed here and my Nan was born 11 years later.
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2 minutes ago, The Coach said:
I’ll add on top also.
What gave merit for Johnson to take on the role at a Championship club during that point at Barnsley. When he had yet to achieve anything.
Wold any other Championship club at that point hired Lee Johnson? I do believe the answer to that question is no.
definitely, was a huge gamble... then next up Dean 'the human' Holden when we desperately need experience.
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3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:
Answer: 100% no
*While in negotiations with Bristol City, we were made aware that Alex had sustained a knee injury during a recent training session. During the medical, scans revealed the injury to be more significant than was initially reported.
With the recovery process now outlined by our medical team, he will join up with the squad following a period of rehabilitation."
We were saying he would be ok for Millwall game, Bournemouth say it's worse and would be out longer. So if he would have stayed a bit longer we could have possibly played him this weekend and made things worse.
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Nope.
It's just Nigel Pearson trying to be Nigel Pearson
Much greater than Lee Johnson trying to be Pep Guardiola
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2 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:
His interview with the local media is slightly more pointed if you look atvthe Bristol Post website, nothing overly controversial though
so just this below in text form... NP only said this past weekend if a club meet the price then they will talk, if they don't and he goes for less than £25m then he would not be happy.
“I’ve got nothing to say, really, apart from that the club has given him permission,” Pearson said. “Outside of that I’ve got no comment. I couldn’t give you the details… I knew (about the bid) today. And that’s it, I’m not saying anymore.”
When pushed further, he added: “I’d been planning to keep him. It’s nothing to do with me. It’s a club decision. I’m disappointed because we’ve got a better chance of being successful if we keep our best players so that’s where I sit on it.”
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3 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:
QPR still having renovation work done on their ground
Luton just been drawn at home for Rnd 2, they may have similar problem
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12 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:
Just seen Pearsons club interview after tonight. Scott wasn't mentioned but it's clear the bloke is absolutely fuming, he's ready to fight
Looks normal to me
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8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:
But but pearson doesn’t lie about injuries!
£20m+ so might not be £25m. How did they do that without getting a seat at the table?!
Player coming opposite direction also maybe?
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35 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:
Why does their new Asset Stripper look like he’s been kidnapped and being driven to the culprits lair in a 1970s Volvo?
More like it
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4 hours ago, Sleepy1968 said:
Mine too. It showed brum before that. Still got 5th August showing as the date.
I honestly can't fathom how they've managed to do this. On the face of it I'd say programming error somewhere, especially if it's iterating through our opponents in game order. Maybe some counter is being incremented incorrectly when displaying the opposition. But given that it changes up and down, who knows.
At least it’s not like when the new web site started up or you’d have some else’s ticket
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Haha, looks at Gas Chat, they say these are his companies https://www.foodco-kw.com
3 restaurants, of which one is a franchise... (Quiznos is like another version of a Subway in US).
Bought in for 'expertise' so sounds like the food offerings at Membley are going up a notch.
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Bristol R*vers dustbin thread
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She did not want to miss out, as every other other Rovers hearing/court case has had the wife in attendance also.